طوطے, کھوتے اور آپریشن دھپڑ دھوس

[saeenji]

Wa Aleikum Salam Saeenji, hope all is well with you and you had a pleasant journey.
I was dreading that you don't read this thread :) like a little kid but you did, trust me just one post had made that exception.
Just wanted to give that explanaiton, I am off to earn my qeemay wala nan and will quote this post again to respond on your question.

:lol:

Alhamdolillah everything is fine at my end and hope all is well with you and family.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

Xota, Tota, Hathi, Lagar Bagar sab bhago, Sher k dhar suni nahein AJK mein.

 

[GeoG]

Assalam o Alaikum,

I couldn't resist to intervene here because I think you seem to possess the secret to good political sense. Would you please care to share the yardstick with which you measure someone's political sense? I am curious.

My point being (if it's not already clear), everyone is entitled to an opinion and they are free to express it in whatever way they see fit as long as it fits the definition of decency. You and I don't have the right to declare it bad. You don't agree with something so be it but please refrain from tagging it bad. I expect that from you. Read your post again and you will see what I am talking about. :)

Asalam O Aleikum again Saanji Bro, sorry i had to leave for some urgent work.
As you have taken the exception to call for an explanation for my use of words, i would request you to please see in the context that there is a bit of background and few exchange of posts (in good way off course) and you would often read from her that my source of inforation is just this forum.

No I am not a political pundit or guru but have been active in political scene in Pakistan in my college life so i suppose know a fraction more about real life politics than most of members there who never went beyond keyborad politics. I see honesty in politics as one of factor to consider and not the only one as our political system is to go a very long way to that point. For me continuity of political system is of utmost importance and i wold not bore you with these points.

yes everyone is entitled to their opinion and free to express and you feel that i have crossed my limit in making that judgement but it was meant to sarcastic which was qualified by follwoing sentence that her political wisdom is limited to 100 threads created each day of just three programs of ARY.
All I would that I did not mean to make her feel bad but if you think this was my intention then I apologize to her unreservedly.
God Bless.

 

[saeenji]

Asalam O Aleikum again Saanji Bro, sorry i had to leave for some urgent work.
As you have taken the exception to call for an explanation for my use of words, i would request you to please see in the context that there is a bit of background and few exchange of posts (in good way off course) and you would often read from her that my source of inforation is just this forum.

No I am not a political pundit or guru but have been active in political scene in Pakistan in my college life so i suppose know a fraction more about real life politics than most of members there who never went beyond keyborad politics. I see honesty in politics as one of factor to consider and not the only one as our political system is to go a very long way to that point. For me continuity of political system is of utmost importance and i wold not bore you with these points.

yes everyone is entitled to their opinion and free to express and you feel that i have crossed my limit in making that judgement but it was meant to sarcastic which was qualified by follwoing sentence that her political wisdom is limited to 100 threads created each day of just three programs of ARY.
All I would that I did not mean to make her feel bad but if you think this was my intention then I apologize to her unreservedly.
God Bless.

Absolutely not, that was not my intention. Secondly I am sure Nadaan is fully qualified to defend her case. My post was not just about her, it was a general comment in the sense that sometimes we all make the mistake of thinking that somehow we know more than others or that we are more qualified to present the analysis on a certain issue. This leads to intellectual superiority complex (I am not saying that you have it, you know if I thought you were showing the symptoms, I would object to it straightaway (bigsmile)). I for one try to stay away from it as much as possible, but ofcourse everyone is different and I should take that into account before intervening next time. :)

 

[GeoG]

Absolutely not, that was not my intention. Secondly I am sure Nadaan is fully qualified to defend her case. My post was not just about her, it was a general comment in the sense that sometimes we all make the mistake of thinking that somehow we know more than others or that we are more qualified to present the analysis on a certain issue. This leads to intellectual superiority complex (I am not saying that you have it, you know if I thought you were showing the symptoms, I would object to it straightaway (bigsmile)). I for one try to stay away from it as much as possible, but ofcourse everyone is different and I should take that into account before intervening next time. :)

Brother, you have taken a lot of your time to teach me something
I am grateful and have not forgotten a single word of your wisdom
(although some posts here force you to take exception and i did with one post today :) )
your reprimand will be an honor for me so anytime please. :)

 

[saeenji]

Brother, you have taken a lot of your time to teach me something
I am grateful and have not forgotten a single word of your wisdom
(although some posts here force you to take exception and i did with one post today :) )
your reprimand will be an honor for me so anytime please. :)

Much obliged! :)

 

[نادان]

[FONT=&amp]No, it actually suits you[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]You just repeat what you learn from family and what read on this forum[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]so you are a good person due to family influence and bad political sense[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]try learning something out of book (siasat.pk) too.
(No pun intended)[/FONT]

آپ کا میرے بارے میں تجزیہ بلکل ہی غلط ہے ...میں تو اپنی فیملی کے اگینسٹ جاتی ہوں ..وہ مجھ پر کیا اثر انداز ہونگے ..میری ہی کوشش ہوتی ہے ان کو اپنے زیر اثر لانے کی ...

کوشش کریں تھوڑا انسانوں کو سمجھنے کی ...انسان صورت سے نہیں سوچ سے پہچانے جاتے ہیں

 

[نادان]

یہی میرا بھی خیال ہے کہ احتساب فوج کی ذمّہ داری نہیں ہونی چاہیے۔ اسکے لیے الگ سے ایک با اختیار باڈی ہونی چاہیے جو معاملات کو واچ کرے۔ بہت سے ممالک میں سیاسی نظام پر قومی سلامتی کو واچ کرنے کا کوئی نہ کوئی سپریم سیٹ اپ ہوتا ہے۔

میں اسے واچ ڈاگ کا نام نہیں دوں گا بلکہ جس طرح کا ہمارا سیاسی مٹیریل ہے اس حساب سے اسے ڈاگ واچ کا نام دیا جا سکتا ہے۔
[hilar]

کسی ایک ملک کی مثال دیں جہاں واچ ڈاگ یا ڈاگ واچ ہوتا ہو

 

[GeoG]

آپ کا میرے بارے میں تجزیہ بلکل ہی غلط ہے ...میں تو اپنی فیملی کے اگینسٹ جاتی ہوں ..وہ مجھ پر کیا اثر انداز ہونگے ..میری ہی کوشش ہوتی ہے ان کو اپنے زیر اثر لانے کی ...

کوشش کریں تھوڑا انسانوں کو سمجھنے کی ...انسان صورت سے نہیں سوچ سے پہچانے جاتے ہیں

[SUB]
Hh wohi tou, they taught you the basics so that remains in you
and now learned from outer world which they don't agree and learn from you, thank God for that .. :)

Yes Soch not face, but complete soch but just one Soch, Zara Sochyay Ga.[/SUB]

 

[GeoG]

کسی ایک ملک کی مثال دیں جہاں واچ ڈاگ یا ڈاگ واچ ہوتا ہو

Maazrat Khudadad sahib.
these are two different things (like master servant) so ask for two examples.

 

[Haristotle]

آرمی سے اس کام کی توقع کیوں کی جاتی ہے جو کہ اس کا کام ہی نہیں

اس لئے جناب کہ آرمی وہ کام ہی کرتی ہے جو اس کا نہی، کم از کم پاکستان میں

 

[Haristotle]

کیا مطلب ؟ آرمی کہاں سے آ گئی کھوتوں اور طوطوں کی کہانی میں ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

جناب ہاتھی بھی تو تھے جو کھوتوں کا راستہ صاف کر رہے تھے، تھے کے نہی؟

 

[نادان]

Asalam O Aleikum again Saanji Bro, sorry i had to leave for some urgent work.
As you have taken the exception to call for an explanation for my use of words, i would request you to please see in the context that there is a bit of background and few exchange of posts (in good way off course) and you would often read from her that my source of inforation is just this forum.

No I am not a political pundit or guru but have been active in political scene in Pakistan in my college life so i suppose know a fraction more about real life politics than most of members there who never went beyond keyborad politics. I see honesty in politics as one of factor to consider and not the only one as our political system is to go a very long way to that point. For me continuity of political system is of utmost importance and i wold not bore you with these points.

yes everyone is entitled to their opinion and free to express and you feel that i have crossed my limit in making that judgement but it was meant to sarcastic which was qualified by follwoing sentence that her political wisdom is limited to 100 threads created each day of just three programs of ARY.
All I would that I did not mean to make her feel bad but if you think this was my intention then I apologize to her unreservedly.
God Bless.

مجھ سے ڈائریکٹ بات کریں ..کبھی آپ کو لگا کہ میں آپ کی باتوں کا برا مناتی ہوں ....میں اوپن ڈور پالیسی پر یقین رکھتی ہوں ...
صحیح کہ پاکستان کے موجودہ حالات کا علم مجھے اسی فورم سے ہوتا ہے ....آپ جیسے لوگوں کو پڑھ کر ...اب آپ ہی غلط معلومات شئیر کریں تو قصوروار کون ہوا ....(bigsmile)...

آپ کو پورا پورا حق ہے میرے بارے میں اچھی بری رائے رکھنے کا ..یہ میری سوچ پر اثر انداز نہیں ہوتیں ..میری اپنی بلکل واضح سوچ ہے ..اور میرے حساب سے فئیر بھی ...لچ تلنے کے علاوہ جب میں سیریس لکھتی ہوں تو سیریس ہی لکھتی ہوں ....میں نے کب فوجی مداخلت کی حمایت کی ...کب جمہوریت کے خلاف ووٹ دیا ..نواز یا زرداری کے خلاف بولنا یا ان کی کارکرگی پر اپنی رائے دینا کب سے غیر جمہوری ہو گیا ...
میرے نزدیک کرپشن کو کوئی گنجائش نہیں ہے ..نواز اگر اچھا منتظم بھی ہوتا جو کہ وہ نہیں ہے ..تو اس کی حمایت کرنا میرے بس کا کام نہیں ہے ..میرے نزدیک پاکستان کی تاریخ کا سب سے نا اہل حکمران یہ ہی ہے ..اگین ..آپ میری سوچ سے اختلاف کر سکتے ہیں

ہمارے گھر میں گفتگو کے موضوع دو ہی ہوتے ہیں ..سیاست یا مذھب ..فیشن کپڑوں کی باتیں نہیں ہوتیں ..تو میری سیاسی سوجھ بوجھ جو کہ آپ کو نا پختہ نظر آتی ہے ..وہ آپکی نظر ہے ..جو آپ سے متفق نہ ہو ..وہ نا سمجھ ہوا ..میں بٹوین دی لائن پڑھنے کی عادی ہوں ..چھان کر اصل حقیقت تک پونچھنے کی کوشش کرتی ہوں ..

 

[نادان]

Absolutely not, that was not my intention. Secondly I am sure Nadaan is fully qualified to defend her case. My post was not just about her, it was a general comment in the sense that sometimes we all make the mistake of thinking that somehow we know more than others or that we are more qualified to present the analysis on a certain issue. This leads to intellectual superiority complex (I am not saying that you have it, you know if I thought you were showing the symptoms, I would object to it straightaway (bigsmile)). I for one try to stay away from it as much as possible, but ofcourse everyone is different and I should take that into account before intervening next time. :)

درست ..میں اپنا دفاع کر چکی ہوں


:biggthumpup:

 

[نادان]

[SUB]
Hh wohi tou, they taught you the basics so that remains in you
and now learned from outer world which they don't agree and learn from you, thank God for that .. :)

Yes Soch not face, but complete soch but just one Soch, Zara Sochyay Ga.[/SUB]

آپ میری اکا دکا پوسٹیں پڑھ کر میری سوچ سے کیسے واقف ہو سکتے ہیں ..ہیں ؟؟؟؟؟

 

[GeoG]

مجھ سے ڈائریکٹ بات کریں ..کبھی آپ کو لگا کہ میں آپ کی باتوں کا برا مناتی ہوں ....میں اوپن ڈور پالیسی پر یقین رکھتی ہوں ...
صحیح کہ پاکستان کے موجودہ حالات کا علم مجھے اسی فورم سے ہوتا ہے ....آپ جیسے لوگوں کو پڑھ کر ...اب آپ ہی غلط معلومات شئیر کریں تو قصوروار کون ہوا ....(bigsmile)...

آپ کو پورا پورا حق ہے میرے بارے میں اچھی بری رائے رکھنے کا ..یہ میری سوچ پر اثر انداز نہیں ہوتیں ..میری اپنی بلکل واضح سوچ ہے ..اور میرے حساب سے فئیر بھی ...لچ تلنے کے علاوہ جب میں سیریس لکھتی ہوں تو سیریس ہی لکھتی ہوں ....میں نے کب فوجی مداخلت کی حمایت کی ...کب جمہوریت کے خلاف ووٹ دیا ..نواز یا زرداری کے خلاف بولنا یا ان کی کارکرگی پر اپنی رائے دینا کب سے غیر جمہوری ہو گیا ...
میرے نزدیک کرپشن کو کوئی گنجائش نہیں ہے ..نواز اگر اچھا منتظم بھی ہوتا جو کہ وہ نہیں ہے ..تو اس کی حمایت کرنا میرے بس کا کام نہیں ہے ..میرے نزدیک پاکستان کی تاریخ کا سب سے نا اہل حکمران یہ ہی ہے ..اگین ..آپ میری سوچ سے اختلاف کر سکتے ہیں

ہمارے گھر میں گفتگو کے موضوع دو ہی ہوتے ہیں ..سیاست یا مذھب ..فیشن کپڑوں کی باتیں نہیں ہوتیں ..تو میری سیاسی سوجھ بوجھ جو کہ آپ کو نا پختہ نظر آتی ہے ..وہ آپکی نظر ہے ..جو آپ سے متفق نہ ہو ..وہ نا سمجھ ہوا ..میں بٹوین دی لائن پڑھنے کی عادی ہوں ..چھان کر اصل حقیقت تک پونچھنے کی کوشش کرتی ہوں ..

hhh look I earn my Khota Qeema Nan myself, not a handout from Ganjas
so for alternate views go out in real world, I am not their propogandist.
Aazmaish Shart Hai :)

 

[GeoG]

درست ..میں اپنا دفاع کر چکی ہوں


:biggthumpup:

[FONT=&quot]you had read my response too
so actually it becomes null and void [/FONT]:biggthumpup:[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]

 

[GeoG]

آپ میری اکا دکا پوسٹیں پڑھ کر میری سوچ سے کیسے واقف ہو سکتے ہیں ..ہیں ؟؟؟؟؟

Sahih Farmaya,
Kisi Khatoon Ki Soch Samjhnay Kay Liay Saat Pushtain Darkar Hoti Hain
I should have waited for couple of hundred years to do that.... :)

 

[نادان]

[FONT=&amp]you had read my response too
so actually it becomes null and void [/FONT]:biggthumpup:[FONT=&amp]
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]
[/FONT]

میں آپ لوگوں سے خفا نہیں ہوتی چاہے آپ جتنا مرضی شریفوں کو چاہیں

 

[نادان]

Sahih Farmaya,
Kisi Khatoon Ki Soch Samjhnay Kay Liay Saat Pushtain Darkar Hoti Hain
I should have waited for couple of hundred years to do that.... :)

لیکن میرے پاس اتنا وقت نہیں ہے