طاہر ال قادری پاکستانی یے یا غیر ملکی ؟؟؟
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carne
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Winners & losers of Dr. Qadri's long march.
IK/PTI would have been finished. Can't you still follow the story line. How much more evidence will you need???
IK/PTI would have been finished. Can't you still follow the story line. How much more evidence will you need???
Islamic dunya
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Winners & losers of Dr. Qadri's long march.
Assallam o Alaikum,
Mohtaram behen, Bhaiyo, Musalmano ke liye kya zaroori hey, Siyasat, Riyasat ya Islam.?
Tahir ul Qadri sahib ka Allah Talla, Quran e Pak or Allah ke Rasool Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.M sey Nafarman or Gustakh honey key bohat sarey saboot Internet pe mojood hain, or ab Long March key doran, innki Musalman dosti bhi bemisaal hey, Qadri sahib ke Ilfaaz they, (Main sirf or sirf Allah sey darta hoon). phir apney Luxus Darbey (Container) main ghusey rahey, phir inn Nadar Leader ney Khawateen or Bachon ko Dhaal bana key apni hifazat ke liye Istemaal kiya or innki Zindagi khatrey main daal di.?
Ham samjhtey rahey, Pakistan ki sarkari Zubaan Urdu hey, magar Qadri sb ka English Khitaab karna zaroori tha, takey apney Bosses, Aqaon ko bhi aghah kartey rahey ke Khitaab Islam ke liye nahi balkey unkey order key mutabik kiya.?
Logon sey Quran e Pak pe Halff liya, jis Quran e Pak key khilaaf kaam kar rahey hain, or Islam ke khilaaf Beparda Khawateen, Mard Hazraat ke sath nachnay or Ganey ka Ehtamam bhi kiya tha. jo Hazoor ki shaan main baney Gano ke sath khoob masroof they.?
Pakistani Awaam or Dunya ke samney Shaikh ul Islam, Prof.Dr. Tahir ul Qadri sahib ney jitni achi or Sholey ugalti, Nazeba or Ghaleez Zubaan istemaal ki, ye bhi hamarey or hameri Naslon ke liye Mashal e Rah ho gi, ye Khitaabat or Dhamkiyan International Media ne poori Dunya main nashar kiya, sochney ki baat hey, Sheikh ul Islam, Prof.Dr. sb ke barey or Islam ke barey Dunya kya soch rahi ho gi, or Pakistan ka Naam bhi khoob roshan kar diya, kya aik Musalman, Deen Dar Insaan Aysi Zubaan istemal kar sakta hey?
Qadri sahib Dhamkion pey Dhamkiyan dey rahey hain, Qadri sb ke Allah Talla, Quran e Pak or Allah ke Rasool Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.M sey Nafarmani, Gustakhi, Shirk, Jhoot or Dhokey ke bohat Saboot mojood hain, magar na hi Hakoomat or na hi koi or innko rokta hey, balkey Top Siyasatdan Dum daba ke Qadri sb ke Hukam ke mutabik unkey Minhaj ul Quran Palace hazri deney jatey hain, kya iss sab Dramey ke peechey kissi Supper Power ka Haath hey.?
Merey Piyarey Hamwatno, lagta hey, ham pey ye Azaab e Ilahi hey, Islam sey doori ki wajha sey ye Mulla Hazraat hamko Bewaqoof banatey aa rahey hain, or ab Khulam khulla Allah Talla sey Jang kar rahey hain, Qadri sb Masjid main Issayon (Christians) ko apni Ibadat karwatey hain, Mandar main Nimaz ada karwatey hain, Hindus, Sikhs, Yahood wa Nassar, Issayon (Christians) etc. ki Mazhabi Rasoomat main shreek hotey hain or unki Ibadat or Dua main shamil hottey hain. kya ye Allah Talla, Allah ke Rasool Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.M or Islam sey Baghawat, Gustakhi or Dushmani hey.?
Merey Piyarey Behen, Bhaio, ab bhi Waqt hey,sirf aaj ka or apney barey nahi balkey apni aynda aney wali Naslon ka sochain.
Allah Talla Quran e Pak main farmatey hain.
JO APNEY AAP KO MUSALMAN KEHTEY HAIN MAGAR ALLAH KEY HUKM NAHI MANTEY, WO DHOKEYBAZ HAIN OR MEREY SATH DOKHEYBAZI KARTEY HAIN, MAGAR WO MEREY SATH DHOKEYBAZI NAHI KARTEY, WO APNEY SATH DOKHEYBAZI KARTEY HAIN, OR INNKI SAZA HEY KE YE AIK DOOSREY KO MARAIN GEY.
Merey Pizarey Musalman Behen, Bhaio, JAGO, JAGO, JAGO ....Quran e Pak ko mashal e Rah banao, ALLAH KI RASI (QURAN E PAK) KO SAB MILLKAR MAZBOOTI SEY PAKRO OR TAFARKEY MAIN MAT PARO(Quran e Pak).
Qadri sb or inn jaisey Logon ko kamyab mat honey dain or innko Benakab karain, takey Deen e Islam, Musalmano, Laillm or Masoom Insaano ko Shar sey bachaya ja sakey, Allah Talla ham sab ko Sirat e Mustaqeem pe chalney ki Tofeeq atta farmey, Ameen
Qadri sb key barey kuch Malooat ke Links hazir hain, Araam or Sakoon sey dekain or Haq or Sachayee sey Insaaf karain, zaroorat ho tto or bhi hazir kar sakta hoon.
http://www.cifiaonline.com/drtahirulqadri.htm
http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/8156-tahir-ul-padri-ke-baray-mein-ulema-e-ahlesunnat-ka-mouqiff/
http://minhajulshaytan.wordpress.com/tahirul-qadri-present-day-enemies-of-islam/
Assallam o Alaikum,
Mohtaram behen, Bhaiyo, Musalmano ke liye kya zaroori hey, Siyasat, Riyasat ya Islam.?
Tahir ul Qadri sahib ka Allah Talla, Quran e Pak or Allah ke Rasool Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.M sey Nafarman or Gustakh honey key bohat sarey saboot Internet pe mojood hain, or ab Long March key doran, innki Musalman dosti bhi bemisaal hey, Qadri sahib ke Ilfaaz they, (Main sirf or sirf Allah sey darta hoon). phir apney Luxus Darbey (Container) main ghusey rahey, phir inn Nadar Leader ney Khawateen or Bachon ko Dhaal bana key apni hifazat ke liye Istemaal kiya or innki Zindagi khatrey main daal di.?
Ham samjhtey rahey, Pakistan ki sarkari Zubaan Urdu hey, magar Qadri sb ka English Khitaab karna zaroori tha, takey apney Bosses, Aqaon ko bhi aghah kartey rahey ke Khitaab Islam ke liye nahi balkey unkey order key mutabik kiya.?
Logon sey Quran e Pak pe Halff liya, jis Quran e Pak key khilaaf kaam kar rahey hain, or Islam ke khilaaf Beparda Khawateen, Mard Hazraat ke sath nachnay or Ganey ka Ehtamam bhi kiya tha. jo Hazoor ki shaan main baney Gano ke sath khoob masroof they.?
Pakistani Awaam or Dunya ke samney Shaikh ul Islam, Prof.Dr. Tahir ul Qadri sahib ney jitni achi or Sholey ugalti, Nazeba or Ghaleez Zubaan istemaal ki, ye bhi hamarey or hameri Naslon ke liye Mashal e Rah ho gi, ye Khitaabat or Dhamkiyan International Media ne poori Dunya main nashar kiya, sochney ki baat hey, Sheikh ul Islam, Prof.Dr. sb ke barey or Islam ke barey Dunya kya soch rahi ho gi, or Pakistan ka Naam bhi khoob roshan kar diya, kya aik Musalman, Deen Dar Insaan Aysi Zubaan istemal kar sakta hey?
Qadri sahib Dhamkion pey Dhamkiyan dey rahey hain, Qadri sb ke Allah Talla, Quran e Pak or Allah ke Rasool Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.M sey Nafarmani, Gustakhi, Shirk, Jhoot or Dhokey ke bohat Saboot mojood hain, magar na hi Hakoomat or na hi koi or innko rokta hey, balkey Top Siyasatdan Dum daba ke Qadri sb ke Hukam ke mutabik unkey Minhaj ul Quran Palace hazri deney jatey hain, kya iss sab Dramey ke peechey kissi Supper Power ka Haath hey.?
Merey Piyarey Hamwatno, lagta hey, ham pey ye Azaab e Ilahi hey, Islam sey doori ki wajha sey ye Mulla Hazraat hamko Bewaqoof banatey aa rahey hain, or ab Khulam khulla Allah Talla sey Jang kar rahey hain, Qadri sb Masjid main Issayon (Christians) ko apni Ibadat karwatey hain, Mandar main Nimaz ada karwatey hain, Hindus, Sikhs, Yahood wa Nassar, Issayon (Christians) etc. ki Mazhabi Rasoomat main shreek hotey hain or unki Ibadat or Dua main shamil hottey hain. kya ye Allah Talla, Allah ke Rasool Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.M or Islam sey Baghawat, Gustakhi or Dushmani hey.?
Merey Piyarey Behen, Bhaio, ab bhi Waqt hey,sirf aaj ka or apney barey nahi balkey apni aynda aney wali Naslon ka sochain.
Allah Talla Quran e Pak main farmatey hain.
JO APNEY AAP KO MUSALMAN KEHTEY HAIN MAGAR ALLAH KEY HUKM NAHI MANTEY, WO DHOKEYBAZ HAIN OR MEREY SATH DOKHEYBAZI KARTEY HAIN, MAGAR WO MEREY SATH DHOKEYBAZI NAHI KARTEY, WO APNEY SATH DOKHEYBAZI KARTEY HAIN, OR INNKI SAZA HEY KE YE AIK DOOSREY KO MARAIN GEY.
Merey Pizarey Musalman Behen, Bhaio, JAGO, JAGO, JAGO ....Quran e Pak ko mashal e Rah banao, ALLAH KI RASI (QURAN E PAK) KO SAB MILLKAR MAZBOOTI SEY PAKRO OR TAFARKEY MAIN MAT PARO(Quran e Pak).
Qadri sb or inn jaisey Logon ko kamyab mat honey dain or innko Benakab karain, takey Deen e Islam, Musalmano, Laillm or Masoom Insaano ko Shar sey bachaya ja sakey, Allah Talla ham sab ko Sirat e Mustaqeem pe chalney ki Tofeeq atta farmey, Ameen
Qadri sb key barey kuch Malooat ke Links hazir hain, Araam or Sakoon sey dekain or Haq or Sachayee sey Insaaf karain, zaroorat ho tto or bhi hazir kar sakta hoon.
http://www.cifiaonline.com/drtahirulqadri.htm
http://www.islamimehfil.com/topic/8156-tahir-ul-padri-ke-baray-mein-ulema-e-ahlesunnat-ka-mouqiff/
http://minhajulshaytan.wordpress.com/tahirul-qadri-present-day-enemies-of-islam/
mahmoodriaz
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Time Being
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Dr.Tahir ul Qadri Exclusive Interview Hard Talk On BBC NEWS **Don't Miss it**
:lol::lol::lol: Qadri ke pithoo.. DONT MISS IT likhne se kuch fark nai paray ga.. Tahir ul Qadri wajjay ja kar kaheen
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Islamic dunya
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Tahir ul Qadris Story.!
Mohammad Tahir Ul Qadri
All the information in this Article is taken from Taher Ul Qadri's official websites, including mihaj.org, and other internet sources available in public domain. We have quoted the sources of our information all through this Article.
Tahir ul Qadri, is a well known Pakistani scholar, currently living in Canada as a Canadian citizen. He was born on February 19, 1951, in Jhang, Punjab Province of Pakistan. His family and ancestors belong to Punjabi Sial tribe of Jhang, near Sargodha. His father's name was Fariduddin Qadri. Information about Taher Ul Qadri's early education is sketchy on his Website. However, it is reported that he started his education in a Christian Missionary 'Sacred Heart School' in Jhang, where he was exposed to Christian Missionaries at the tender age of 3 or 4 years (LKG). His website says that his formal classical education (he has used the word classical, not Islamic) was started in a Madrasa al-Uloom ash Sharia, in Madina when he was 12 years old (around 1963). This shows that he was at Christian Missionary School for 9 years during 1954 - 1963.Details are not provided as to how many months he studied in Madina and why he was in Madinah in 1963. May be his father had gone there for Ziyara/Umra. His Website also does not give information as to when he came back from Madina and where and when he finished schooling and passed his 10th Grade. His Website also does not provide information on his further education, in religious subjects, except that he was taught part-time at home by his father for 10 years. His website says that he received BA Hons degree in 1970 from the University of Punjab at the age of 19 years. This information is interesting. Generally a boy joins Christian Missionary Schools when he is 3 or 4 years. Now a days, the kids are required to join Missionary Schools at the age of 3 in Nursery, where they spend three years (Nursery+LKG+UKG) and then join 1st standard at the age of 6 years. May be in Taher Ul Qadri time, he joined directly in LKG when he was 3 or 4 years old. If we take his age as 3 years in LKG, he spent 2+10 years to pass his 10th Standard. At that time his age should be (3+2+10) 15 years minimum. He will be 17 years when he completes Intermediate (Pre Degree Course). Afterwords he spent 4 years for his honors degree which will bring his age to 21 (or 22 if he joined the Missionary school at the age of 4 years). This is the minimum. But it is reported on his Website that Taher Ul Qadri got his Honors degree when he was 19 years old. If he was very good at school and got double promotions, he would have definitely mentioned it on his website? His website claims that he had completed his classical studies ( may be he means Islamic studies) by the time he was 19 years old under his father and other shuyooks of his time. His website also claims that he achieved "an unparalleled understanding of (1) classical Sharia Sciences and (2) Arabic Language". May be he means that his understanding of Sharia sciences and classical Arabic is unparalleled in the History of Islam. It is a tall claim indeed. The understanding of classical Sharia Sciences require expertise in Arabic language; which include the knowledge of Arabic Grammar (Naho), Syntax (sarf), philology (Lughat), Idiomatic Arabic usage (Muhaverat) and Rhetoric (Ma'ani bayaan). Quran and its exegesis (tafseer) and principles of Exegesis (Usool-e-Tafseer) are also required. The Knowledge of Ahadith, for it, its principles, the knowledge of encyclopedic classification of narrators (Asma-e-Rijal) is also necessary. Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh) and its principles are also required. Logic, the issues of consensus of Muslim opinion, and the differences of opinions of religious A'imma are also important to be understood. New Islamic issues of our times are also required to be known, the intrinsic requirements and objectives of Islam, common law of the country and the general public trend should also be understood. Meaning, dozens of subjects are required to be known in depth in the understanding of Sharia Sciences. Tarher Ul Qadri claims that he achieved unparalleled understanding of all the above subjects (studying part time at home) at the age of 19 years. And he achieved it while he also studied his on-campus full time school and college to get his BA Hons? The above claim of Taher Ul Qadri looks unrealistic and a lie. Watch the following video, in which he has a lot of difficulty in communicating simple sentences in Arabic at the age of 55-56 years, while he claims that he had achieved an unparalleled mastery of Arabic language and Islamic Sharia Sciences at the age of 19.
His Website boasts that Taher Ul Qadri has written 1000 books in Arabic, Urdu and English. This figure looks a huge exaggeration because around 160 books are listed on his website. Even for the listed 160 books, we fail to understand, how come he has written these books in Arabic when he is unable to express himself in Arabic and has so poor vocabulary. Then the question arises, who wrote all these books, particularly Arabic books? May be he has hired some people in his Minhaj office in Lahore or elsewhere who write books in Arabic and other languages which are published in his name.His Website says that he earned MA in Islamic studies from the University of Punjab in 1972 and completed LLB in 1974. Then he began working as Lawyer in the district of Jhang, till 1978. This shows that he was in Jhang district all these years, from his birth till 1978 (till the age of 27 years). In 1978, he got a job as Lecturer at Punjab University, Lahore which made him to move to Lahore.
His website claims that he "gained" PhD in Islamic Law". But no details have been provided about this PhD degree on his Website as to where, when and how he got this degree. However, there are unconfirmed reports on Internet about his PhD degree, which state as follows: QUOTE - Taher Ul Qadri is among three four person who have fake PhD degrees as described by courts in (Pakistan) - others are Liaqat of MQM, Babar Awan of PPP and Ghazanfar Mahdi of Ministry of Information, to whom Hakim Ali Zardari helped in award of PhD degree from Jamshoro while his fraud research was in Saraiki language and standard of his research was a Shia unknown Zakir - UNQUOTE Read more ...
Watch more....http://www.cifiaonline.com/drtahirulqadri.htm
Mohammad Tahir Ul Qadri
All the information in this Article is taken from Taher Ul Qadri's official websites, including mihaj.org, and other internet sources available in public domain. We have quoted the sources of our information all through this Article.
His Website boasts that Taher Ul Qadri has written 1000 books in Arabic, Urdu and English. This figure looks a huge exaggeration because around 160 books are listed on his website. Even for the listed 160 books, we fail to understand, how come he has written these books in Arabic when he is unable to express himself in Arabic and has so poor vocabulary. Then the question arises, who wrote all these books, particularly Arabic books? May be he has hired some people in his Minhaj office in Lahore or elsewhere who write books in Arabic and other languages which are published in his name.His Website says that he earned MA in Islamic studies from the University of Punjab in 1972 and completed LLB in 1974. Then he began working as Lawyer in the district of Jhang, till 1978. This shows that he was in Jhang district all these years, from his birth till 1978 (till the age of 27 years). In 1978, he got a job as Lecturer at Punjab University, Lahore which made him to move to Lahore.
His website claims that he "gained" PhD in Islamic Law". But no details have been provided about this PhD degree on his Website as to where, when and how he got this degree. However, there are unconfirmed reports on Internet about his PhD degree, which state as follows: QUOTE - Taher Ul Qadri is among three four person who have fake PhD degrees as described by courts in (Pakistan) - others are Liaqat of MQM, Babar Awan of PPP and Ghazanfar Mahdi of Ministry of Information, to whom Hakim Ali Zardari helped in award of PhD degree from Jamshoro while his fraud research was in Saraiki language and standard of his research was a Shia unknown Zakir - UNQUOTE Read more ...
Watch more....http://www.cifiaonline.com/drtahirulqadri.htm
indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Dr.Tahir ul Qadri Exclusive Interview Hard Talk On BBC NEWS **Don't Miss it**
PAT Peer-Muridi Party, Tahir ul Qadri being Peer Maseeha and his Mureed being ^_^
We should boycott this two face party, who used umbrella of Minhaj ul Quran to exploit religious people and and save _ _ _ in Long March; And sign deal with PAT Signatures!
TuQ supporters have launched campaign to degrade Imran Khan on social media we must fight them with more than equal force....
PAT Peer-Muridi Party, Tahir ul Qadri being Peer Maseeha and his Mureed being ^_^
We should boycott this two face party, who used umbrella of Minhaj ul Quran to exploit religious people and and save _ _ _ in Long March; And sign deal with PAT Signatures!
TuQ supporters have launched campaign to degrade Imran Khan on social media we must fight them with more than equal force....
A.Chaudhry
Banned
Re: Dr.Tahir ul Qadri Exclusive Interview Hard Talk On BBC NEWS **Don't Miss it**
Article 62 aur 63 ki bat karen gey to takleef to aap ko ho gi. (bigsmile)
PAT Peer-Muridi Party, Tahir ul Qadri being Peer Maseeha and his Mureed being ^_^
We should boycott this two face party, who used umbrella of Minhaj ul Quran to exploit religious people and and save _ _ _ in Long March; And sign deal with PAT Signatures!
TuQ supporters have launched campaign to degrade Imran Khan on social media we must fight them with more than equal force....
Article 62 aur 63 ki bat karen gey to takleef to aap ko ho gi. (bigsmile)
A.Chaudhry
Banned
Re: Dr.Tahir ul Qadri Exclusive Interview Hard Talk On BBC NEWS **Don't Miss it**
What are you doing here go and join Scotland Yard. (bigsmile)
What are you doing here go and join Scotland Yard. (bigsmile)
indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Dr.Tahir ul Qadri Exclusive Interview Hard Talk On BBC NEWS **Don't Miss it**
Mujhae Siyasat me apnay aap ko paleet krnay ka koi shoq nahi hai or ek mazhabi siyasat daan ko zeeb hi nahi deti,,, Agar Tahir ul Qadri apni Canada ki qomiyat chor kr Election me hissa lete to Qadri sb kay sar ka baal tak bhi 62 63 ki chanti se na guzar pata.... yeh to Qadri sb ki Zia ul Haq kay sath Muhabat hai jo isay current form me implement krwana chahtay hain
Mujhae Siyasat me apnay aap ko paleet krnay ka koi shoq nahi hai or ek mazhabi siyasat daan ko zeeb hi nahi deti,,, Agar Tahir ul Qadri apni Canada ki qomiyat chor kr Election me hissa lete to Qadri sb kay sar ka baal tak bhi 62 63 ki chanti se na guzar pata.... yeh to Qadri sb ki Zia ul Haq kay sath Muhabat hai jo isay current form me implement krwana chahtay hain
A.Chaudhry
Banned
Re: Dr.Tahir ul Qadri Exclusive Interview Hard Talk On BBC NEWS **Don't Miss it**
Article 62 & 63 are by ZIA and the rest articles are by Bhutto...... grow up!
Article 62 & 63 are by ZIA and the rest articles are by Bhutto...... grow up!
A.Chaudhry
Banned
Re: Who Is Dr Tahir al-Qadri?
Lets forget about the rest of the stuff you have pasted and come to only one point: "we fail to understand, how come he has written these books in Arabic when he is unable to express himself in Arabic and has so poor vocabulary. Then the question arises, who wrote all these books, particularly Arabic books?"
Now sit tight and watch the below lecture by Dr Tahir ul Qadri delivered in Al Azhar (Egypt):
NOW STOP FALSE PROPAGANDA!
@Islamic dunya
Lets forget about the rest of the stuff you have pasted and come to only one point: "we fail to understand, how come he has written these books in Arabic when he is unable to express himself in Arabic and has so poor vocabulary. Then the question arises, who wrote all these books, particularly Arabic books?"
Now sit tight and watch the below lecture by Dr Tahir ul Qadri delivered in Al Azhar (Egypt):
NOW STOP FALSE PROPAGANDA!
@Islamic dunya
Re: Dr.Tahir ul Qadri Exclusive Interview Hard Talk On BBC NEWS **Don't Miss it**
Who is TUQ is not important .Its important what he is saying ? He is preaching against corruption ,landlords and feudals,favourtism and nepotism . Get the money from all these chors and corrupt polioticians and bureaucrats and punish them that it remain in the history for others as a lesson .whats wrong with it? Does Our evil politicains have the monopoly in this nation that only they can do the politics because they are the custodians of pakistan .TUQ is also pakistani, he have dual nationality like other pakistani but when he run for election , he will revoke his canadian nationality.How many liars and corrupt people sitting in the parliament with fake degrees and dual nationality.No one is raising fingers to those evils. TUQ has become the voice of the people becaue they wanted someone to speak for them, they got him.
Who is TUQ is not important .Its important what he is saying ? He is preaching against corruption ,landlords and feudals,favourtism and nepotism . Get the money from all these chors and corrupt polioticians and bureaucrats and punish them that it remain in the history for others as a lesson .whats wrong with it? Does Our evil politicains have the monopoly in this nation that only they can do the politics because they are the custodians of pakistan .TUQ is also pakistani, he have dual nationality like other pakistani but when he run for election , he will revoke his canadian nationality.How many liars and corrupt people sitting in the parliament with fake degrees and dual nationality.No one is raising fingers to those evils. TUQ has become the voice of the people becaue they wanted someone to speak for them, they got him.
