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[handsome.ebi]

I hope no one minds but I agree with this....Even I only quote you once in a while tarii bhai because I know you won't be abusive or overly harsh because of my gender...there are a few who I don't dare quote at all these days.....and that goes for the supporter of both parties and the neutral individuals as well....(serious)

meine is forum mein jitne bhi khud ko netural kehlane wale dekhe hein un sab mein meire nazdeeq aap sab se netural hein, aap sab per aik jaisi tanqeed karti hein, chahy woh non ho pti ya koi or..
bolne walon ka kya he woh to bolte rahein ge hamesha per ap kisi se dar kar apni raaye dena mat choriye..

 

[Humi]

I dont think someone like Tari will support NS. I was supporter of NS in the past but we have to move on and some time, it is better to take u turn than following the path to destruction...

My point to Tari was that he is looking for angel to lead us while our own character as a nation is so dubious... First we have to correct our mistakes and then wish for a saadiq and amin leader. What do u say?

So the point you are making is that even though IK is not perfect, he is the best we can do since we get the leaders that we deserve and we don't deserve a perfect one at the moment?

 

[Humi]

meine is forum mein jitne bhi khud ko netural kehlane wale dekhe hein un sab mein meire nazdeeq aap sab se netural hein, aap sab per aik jaisi tanqeed karti hein, chahy woh non ho pti ya koi or..
bolne walon ka kya he woh to bolte rahein ge hamesha per ap kisi se dar kar apni raaye dena mat choriye..

Thanks, that's nice of you...and thanks for the advice as well...

 

[saeenji]

I agree with the quotes that you shared above....apart from Noon supporters, most people's issue is that this resistance movement is not worth the effort and potential sacrifice and chaos mainly because of U-Turns and black sheeps in PTI....which is a point to ponder and acknowledge..

well I personally wouldn't go as far as to say "most people" but yes people do have issues with these long marches and those are legitimate and I personally feel that Imran Khan shouldn't have taken the point of no-return route and should be a bit careful with his speeches. But at the end of the day, we all have to realize that if these corrupt people stay in government there will be no justice. If we let them complete 5 years of "Democracy"(lollipop.. (bigsmile)) they will come into power again through massive rigging.

Yes the mechanics can be different but I can't see any justice coming out of the current setup and my point is already proven through model town incident. Imagine yourself in that situation(we can't even begin to imagine what they would have been through, the families of the victims, no justice and it's been 2 months, no FIR against CM and 21 other PML(N) party members). It's easy to analyze things from far but when we are put into their shoes, only then we have the right to blame them for their actions. Every institution in Pakistan is politicized, thanks to these political mafias.

Yes there are certain people who are working as blacksheeps in PTI and they should be criticized and criticism should always be constructive, sarcasm leads to frustration. :)

 

[Qarar]

اور عوام کو جاہل رکھنے پر جی ایچ کیو جنرلز اور فیملی مافیاز ایک دوسرے سے بڑھ کر متفق ہیں اور درمیان میں تھوڑا بہت شعور رکھنے والا طبقہ کڑھتا اور پستا رہتا ہے ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔

اور جب وہ اپنی بھڑاس نکالنے کیلئے کچھ کہنے کی کوشش کرتا ہے، شعور پھیلانے کی کوشش کرتا ہے ان مافیاز کے خلاف، تو آپ جیسے دانشور اسے اِس استحصالی نظام کے تسلسل اور ارتقاء کے نام پر سمجھانے آ جاتے ہیں ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔ ۔

حضرت ...درمیان میں شعور رکھنے والا طبقہ جو کڑھتا اور پستا رہتا ہے...اس سے آپ کی مراد کہیں اس ویب سائٹ پر موجود وہ گروہ تو نہیں جو مندرجہ ذیل نعرے بلند کرتا نظر آتا ہے
شریف اور بھٹو خاندان کو پھانسی دے دو
میں مارشل لاء کو سپورٹ کرتا ہوں
اس جمہوریت نے کیا دیا ہے اس سے بہتر تو آمریت تھی
جنرل راحیل تم کب آؤ گے
ہجوم کو وزیراعظم ہاوس میں داخل ہوکر نواز شریف کو قتل کر دینا چاہئیے


کیا یہ وہی شعور رکھنے والا طبقہ ہے جو تحریک انصاف پر تنقید کرنے والے ہر صحافی کو ننگی گالیاں دینا اپنا فرض سمجھتا ہے اور جو زرداری اور شریف خاندان کی عورتوں کے بارے میں غلیظ اور اخلاق سے گری زبان استعمال کرتا ہے؟
میں بذات خود ایک گاؤں سے تعلق رکھتا ہوں اور میں نے کئی ان پڑھ دیہاتی دیکھے ہیں جو ان نام نہاد پڑھے لکھے "با شعور" طبقے سے کہیں زیادہ فہم و فراست رکھتے ہے
انگریزی میں ایک کہاوت ہے کہ
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
عقل و دانائی اور شعور انٹر ، بی اے یا ایم اے کرنے سے نہیں آتے.....جو طبقہ جمہوریت اور آمریت میں فرق نہیں کرسکتا اس کے پاس شعور کی کمی ہے .....عمران کے حالیہ انقلاب نے صرف ایک جمہوری وزیراعظم کو کمزور کیا ہے اور جنرل کی طاقت میں اضافہ کیا ہے

 

[Humi]

well I personally wouldn't go as far as to say "most people" but yes people do have issues with these long marches and those are legitimate and I personally feel that Imran Khan shouldn't have taken the point of no-return route and should be a bit careful with his speeches. But at the end of the day, we all have to realize that if these corrupt people stay in government there will be no justice. If we let them complete 5 years of "Democracy"(lollipop.. (bigsmile)) they will come into power again through massive rigging.

Yes the mechanics can be different but I can't see any justice coming out of the current setup and my point is already proven through model town incident. Imagine yourself in that situation(we can't even begin to imagine what they would have been through, the families of the victims, no justice and it's been 2 months, no FIR against CM and 21 other PML(N) party members). It's easy to analyze things from far but when we are put into their shoes, only then we have the right to blame them for their actions. Every institution in Pakistan is politicized, thanks to these political mafias.

Yes there are certain people who are working as blacksheeps in PTI and they should be criticized and criticism should always be constructive, sarcasm leads to frustration. :)

Like.....thankfully you are not acting like PTI is perfect...

 

[FaisalKh]

So the point you are making is that even though IK is not perfect, he is the best we can do since we get the leaders that we deserve and we don't deserve a perfect one at the moment?

Exactly.... Among all the available options Only Imran Khan is the one who is not corrupt and he has all the capabilities to lead the nation at least much much better than Zardari, Nawaz etc...

IK is not perfect but he is way better than family politicians and PTI is much better in terms of qualified people than family parties...

and this is true whatever we are, we will get the same rulers...

 

[handsome.ebi]

well I personally wouldn't go as far as to say "most people" but yes people do have issues with these long marches and those are legitimate and I personally feel that Imran Khan shouldn't have taken the point of no-return route and should be a bit careful with his speeches. But at the end of the day, we all have to realize that if these corrupt people stay in government there will be no justice. If we let them complete 5 years of "Democracy"(lollipop.. (bigsmile)) they will come into power again through massive rigging.

Yes the mechanics can be different but I can't see any justice coming out of the current setup and my point is already proven through model town incident. Imagine yourself in that situation(we can't even begin to imagine what they would have been through, the families of the victims, no justice and it's been 2 months, no FIR against CM and 21 other PML(N) party members). It's easy to analyze things from far but when we are put into their shoes, only then we have the right to blame them for their actions. Every institution in Pakistan is politicized, thanks to these political mafias.

Yes there are certain people who are working as blacksheeps in PTI and they should be criticized and criticism should always be constructive, sarcasm leads to frustration. :)

(clap)(clap)(clap)

very well said sir ji..

 

[saeenji]

Like.....thankfully you are not acting like PTI is perfect...

once again, I am amazed at your assessment, when did you ever get the feeling that I am a blind supporter of PTI?...... (cry)(bigsmile)

 

[saeenji]

(clap)(clap)(clap)

very well said sir ji..

nawazish aap ki........ :)

 

[Humi]

Exactly.... Among all the available options Only Imran Khan is the one who is not corrupt and he has all the capabilities to lead the nation at least much much better than Zardari, Nawaz etc...

IK is not perfect but he is way better than family politicians and PTI is much better in terms of qualified people than family parties...

and this is true whatever we are, we will get the same rulers...

I will agree with you that IK seems a way more honest and sincere person than our current leaders but I am not sure if his recent harsh statements and the black sheep in PTI are worth all the resulting chaos from these marches which might be awaiting us....

 

[Humi]

once again, I am amazed at your assessment, when did you ever get the feeling that I am a blind supporter of PTI?...... (cry)(bigsmile)

I did not...I was just saying that I am glad you are not....

 

[kpkpak]

Well written

 

[saeenji]

I did not...I was just saying that I am glad you are not....

was kidding.......... (bigsmile)

One more thing there will be no CHAOS, if COAS takes charge.................... (bigsmile)

 

[Humi]

was kidding.......... (bigsmile)

One more thing there will be no CHAOS, if COAS takes charge.................... (bigsmile)

I disagree....people love lollipop of democracy...if it is taken away, there will be chaos...sirf "H" ka hi to faraq hai lekin dono ka result same hai...:lol:

 

[handsome.ebi]

I will agree with you that IK seems a way more honest and sincere person than our current leaders but I am not sure if his recent harsh statements and the black sheep in PTI are worth all the resulting chaos from these marches which might be awaiting us....

aapki bat se mutafiq hun ke ik ko aisi zuban nhi istemal karni chahiye, yeh zuban use zeb nhi deti..
Quaid Azam ke bad agr pakistan mein koi bra leader guzra he to woh Bhutto he ,aaj itne sal guzarne ke bawajod us ke nam per ppp ko vote parte hein, kabhi apne unki taqreerein suni? unki zuban ik se kayin zyada buri thi, is sab ke bawajod aj bhi unka nam sun kar jeyale wajd mein aa jate hein..
logon ko jis bat se zyada gharz hota he woh yeh ha ke kya kisi ne unhe loot ke khaya he? kya kisi ne unke khoon paseene ki kamai se apne mahlaat tameer kiye hein?? kya kisi ne qarz maaf karaye zyada aham batein to yeh hein baqi batein ko to sanwi hasiyat he..

 

[FaisalKh]

حضرت ...درمیان میں شعور رکھنے والا طبقہ جو کڑھتا اور پستا رہتا ہے...اس سے آپ کی مراد کہیں اس ویب سائٹ پر موجود وہ گروہ تو نہیں جو مندرجہ ذیل نعرے بلند کرتا نظر آتا ہے
شریف اور بھٹو خاندان کو پھانسی دے دو
میں مارشل لاء کو سپورٹ کرتا ہوں
اس جمہوریت نے کیا دیا ہے اس سے بہتر تو آمریت تھی
جنرل راحیل تم کب آؤ گے
ہجوم کو وزیراعظم ہاوس میں داخل ہوکر نواز شریف کو قتل کر دینا چاہئیے


کیا یہ وہی شعور رکھنے والا طبقہ ہے جو تحریک انصاف پر تنقید کرنے والے ہر صحافی کو ننگی گالیاں دینا اپنا فرض سمجھتا ہے اور جو زرداری اور شریف خاندان کی عورتوں کے بارے میں غلیظ اور اخلاق سے گری زبان استعمال کرتا ہے؟
میں بذات خود ایک گاؤں سے تعلق رکھتا ہوں اور میں نے کئی ان پڑھ دیہاتی دیکھے ہیں جو ان نام نہاد پڑھے لکھے "با شعور" طبقے سے کہیں زیادہ فہم و فراست رکھتے ہے
انگریزی میں ایک کہاوت ہے کہ
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
عقل و دانائی اور شعور انٹر ، بی اے یا ایم اے کرنے سے نہیں آتے.....جو طبقہ جمہوریت اور آمریت میں فرق نہیں کرسکتا اس کے پاس شعور کی کمی ہے .....عمران کے حالیہ انقلاب نے صرف ایک جمہوری وزیراعظم کو کمزور کیا ہے اور جنرل کی طاقت میں اضافہ کیا ہے

اگر سیاستدان اپنے کرتوت ٹھیک رکھتے تو پھر فوجی آمر کو دخل اندازی کا موقع ہی نہ ملے آپ خود سے پوچھ کر بتاؤ جن کا آپ نے نام لیا ہے کیا آپ ان کے بارے میں یہ دعوا کر سکتے ہیں کہ وہ بلکل ٹھیک تھے؟ جب سیستدان ہی ایسے ہوں جو عوام کے بھلے کے بجاے صرف اپنی تجوریاں ملک لوٹ لوٹ کر بھریں تو پھر ظاہر ہے عوام فوج دیکھ گی کوئی امریکہ یا برطانیہ نے آکر تھوڑا ہی کوئی ایکشن لینا ہے ورنہ ایسی کیا بات تھی کہ دو تہائی اکثریت والے وزیر اعظم کے لئے کوئی بھی گھر سے نہ نکلا بلکے لوگوں نے مٹھائیاں تقسیم کیں کہ بہت اچھا ہوا
پاکستانی قوم کو پہلے یہ تو پتا چلے کے جمہوریت کس چڑیا کا نام ہے تو تب جمہوریت کے جانے پر رویا جائے پاکستان آمریت میں ہی ترقی کرتا رہا ہے اگر یقین نہیں آتا تو فوجی آمر کی تب تک کی کارکردگی دیکھ لیں جب تک سیاستدانوں سے ہاتھ نہیں ملایا اور جب سیاستدانوں سے گٹھ جوڑ کی تو ملک کو دوگنا نقصان پہنچایا


پاکستانیوں کو اگر آمریت میں اپنے حقوق ملتے ہیں تو اس میں کوئی برائی نہیں اب اس جمہوریت کو ہی دیکھ لو کہ وزیر اعلیٰ صاحب کے خلاف ابھی تک عدالتی حکم کے باوجود مقدمہ درج نہیں ہوا اب ذرا ان مدعی سے جاکر پوچھیں کہ اگر فوج آکر آپ کے پیاروں کے قاتلوں کو الٹا ٹانگ دیگی تو وہ کیا جواب دیتے ہیں
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[نادان]

:yes::yes::yes:
You are two different personalities: one at Non-siasi thread and the other one here!

نہیں شخصیت تو ایک ہی ہے .بس ذرا جیسے کے زمانے کا دستور ہے گھر سے باہر نلکلتا ہے تو ذرا سلیقے سے ،سنجیدگی سے .
اور اپنے گھر میں بے تکلفی سے ...وہاں سب کے مزاج جانتے ہیں .اس لئے ہنسی مذاق چلتا رہتا ہے .

 

[saeenji]

I disagree....people love lollipop of democracy...if it is taken away, there will be chaos...sirf "H" ka hi to faraq hai lekin dono ka result same hai...:lol:

sorry, phir bhool gaya tha............ (bigsmile)

on a serious note, the way things are looking right now, I think Army will have to bring neutral care taker setup as both the parties have reached the point of no-return.

I agree with your point, democracy and dictatorship donoon nein is mulk ko khoob loota hai, tau kyon na lollipop hi ko chalnein dein............ (bigsmile)

 

[Humi]

sorry, phir bhool gaya tha............ (bigsmile)

on a serious note, the way things are looking right now, I think Army will have to bring neutral care taker setup as both the parties have reached the point of no-return.

I agree with your point, democracy and dictatorship donoon nein is mulk ko khoob loota hai, tau kyon na lollipop hi ko chalnein dein............ (bigsmile)

Army can never bring in a neutral care taker set-up as army has its own objectives and biases...