اقوال مولا علی علیہ سلام

[London Bridge]

What is the difference between Maula and Maulana?

Allah (SWT), Has a name "Al-Wakeel", does it mean that calling anyone a "Wakeel" will be shirk? Allah (SWT) also Has a name "Al-Momin", does this mean that calling anyone else a "momin" is also shirk?

The problem we ascribe with this term is related to the etymology, whereas, shirk, is an ideology. By calling Hazrat Ali (RA) Maula, does not mean that anyone is taking him as an equivalent to Allah (SWT). Same is with those who call themselves slave of Muhammad (SAW), it also means, reciprocally, that they are calling Muhammad (SAW) as their master. But does it has anything to do with their ideology, as far as everyone recites:

اشھد انّ محؐمّداً عبدہُ و رسولہُ
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I think there will be more trouble in the world if any soldier calls out his commander and everyone turn towards him and kill him for this shirk..... because there is no "Commander" except Allah (SWT) .... isn't it?

سبحان اللہ​

 

[Wake up Pak]

What is the difference between Maula and Maulana?

Allah (SWT), Has a name "Al-Wakeel", does it mean that calling anyone a "Wakeel" will be shirk? Allah (SWT) also Has a name "Al-Momin", does this mean that calling anyone else a "momin" is also shirk?

The problem we ascribe with this term is related to the etymology, whereas, shirk, is an ideology. By calling Hazrat Ali (RA) Maula, does not mean that anyone is taking him as an equivalent to Allah (SWT). Same is with those who call themselves slave of Muhammad (SAW), it also means, reciprocally, that they are calling Muhammad (SAW) as their master. But does it has anything to do with their ideology, as far as everyone recites:

اشھد انّ محؐمّداً عبدہُ و رسولہُ
​

I think there will be more trouble in the world if any soldier calls out his commander and everyone turn towards him and kill him for this shirk..... because there is no "Commander" except Allah (SWT) .... isn't it?

There is a difference between naming Wakeel or Momin as they are attributes of Allah but, calling someone Moulana or moula is different.
Moulana is used in the Quran for Allah alone. You do not name anyone Moulana, do you?

Here is a verse I found with the word Moulana.

لَا يُكَلِّفُ ٱللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا وُسْعَهَا ۚ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَعَلَيْهَا مَا ٱكْتَسَبَتْ ۗ رَبَّنَا لَا تُؤَاخِذْنَآ إِن نَّسِينَآ أَوْ أَخْطَأْنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تَحْمِلْ عَلَيْنَآ إِصْرًا كَمَا حَمَلْتَهُۥ عَلَى ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تُحَمِّلْنَا مَا لَا طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِۦ ۖ وَٱعْفُ عَنَّا وَٱغْفِرْ لَنَا وَٱرْحَمْنَآ ۚ أَنتَ مَوْلَىٰنَا فَٱنصُرْنَا عَلَى ٱلْقَوْمِ ٱلْكَـٰفِرِينَ

2:286 On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have the strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith."

 

[London Bridge]

حضرت موسیٰ ؑ اپنے اہل و عیال کے ہمراہ جب واپس مصر کی طرف روانہ ہوئے تو جبل طور کے قریب راستہ بھول گئے۔ اس مقام پر اللہ تعالیٰ نے آپ کو منصب نبوت پر فائز کیا تھا، معجزات سے نوازا اور ہدایت کی کہ مصر جا کر فرعون کو اس کے ظلم و ستم سے باز آنے کی تلقین کریں اور اس سے کہو کہ خدائی کا دعویٰ کرنا چھوڑ دے اور بنی اسرائیل کو غلامی سے آزاد کر دے۔ حضرت موسیٰ علیہ السلام نے بارگاہ ایزدی میں دعا کی۔
قَالَ رَبِّ اِنِّیْ قَتَلْتُ مِنْهُمْ نَفْسًا فَاَخَافُ اَنْ یَّقْتُلُوْنِ(۳۳)وَ اَخِیْ هٰرُوْنُ هُوَ اَفْصَحُ مِنِّیْ لِسَانًا فَاَرْسِلْهُ مَعِیَ رِدْاً یُّصَدِّقُنِیْۤ٘-اِنِّیْۤ اَخَافُ اَنْ یُّكَذِّبُوْنِ(۳۴) سورۃ قصص

’ ’میرے پروردگار! میں تو ان کا ایک آدمی قتل کر چکا ہوں، ڈرتا ہوں کہ وہ مجھے مار ڈالیں گے۔ اور میرا بھائی ہارونؑ مجھ سے زیادہ فصیح البیان ہے۔ اسے میرے ساتھ مددگار کے طور پر بھیج تا کہ وہ میری تائید کرے، مجھے اندیشہ ہے کہ وہ لوگ مجھے جھٹلائیں گے۔‘‘
(القصص: ۳۳۔۳۴)
بارگاہ رب العالمین میں دعا قبول ہوئی اور اللہ تعالیٰ نے حضرت ہارونؑ کو منصب نبوت پر فائز کیا اور دین حق کی تبلیغ و ترویج کے سلسلے میں حضرت ہارونؑ کو حضرت موسیٰ ؑ کا مددگار منتخب کیا۔

’’ہم تیرے بھائی کے ذریعے سے تیرا ہاتھ مضبوط کریں گے اور تم دونوں کو ایسی سطوت بخشیں گے کہ وہ تمہارا کچھ نہ بگاڑ سکیں گے۔ ہماری نشانیوں کے زور سے غلبہ تمہارا اور تمہارے پیروکاروں کا ہی ہو گا۔‘‘

(سورۃ القصص: ۳۵)
’’اور ہم نے اپنی رحمت سے ان کو (موسیٰ کو) ان کا بھائی ہارونؑ پیغمبر عطا کیا۔‘‘

(سورۃ مریم: ۵۳)

’’اور ہم نے موسیٰ کو کتاب عطا کی اور ان کے بھائی ہارونؑ کو وزیر بنا کر ان کے ساتھ کیا۔ ‘‘

(سورۃ الفرقان: ۳۵)​

 

[Sohail Shuja]

There is a difference between naming Wakeel or Momin as they are attributes of Allah

What is the difference? that is what is required to be clarified here. Wakeel is not a name of a person, it is a professional attribute, likewise, Momin is not a name alone, it is also an attribute of a person's character. Allah (SWT) Calls out to the mo'mineen and mo'minaat various times in Quran.

but, calling someone Moulana or moula is different.
Moulana is used in the Quran for Allah alone. You do not name anyone Moulana, do you?

It is not me who has named people "Maulana", tell me if you have not heard of the names of the people, starting with Maulana?

Here is a verse I found with the word Moulana.

لَا يُكَلِّفُ ٱللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا وُسْعَهَا ۚ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَعَلَيْهَا مَا ٱكْتَسَبَتْ ۗ رَبَّنَا لَا تُؤَاخِذْنَآ إِن نَّسِينَآ أَوْ أَخْطَأْنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تَحْمِلْ عَلَيْنَآ إِصْرًا كَمَا حَمَلْتَهُۥ عَلَى ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تُحَمِّلْنَا مَا لَا طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِۦ ۖ وَٱعْفُ عَنَّا وَٱغْفِرْ لَنَا وَٱرْحَمْنَآ ۚ أَنتَ مَوْلَىٰنَا فَٱنصُرْنَا عَلَى ٱلْقَوْمِ ٱلْكَـٰفِرِينَ

2:286 On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have the strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith."

Sorry, but I am looking for a reference in Quran which prohibits using this attribute.

Secondly, with the very next word used in this verse is فَٱنصُرْنَا, which means "help us" and the word driven from "Nusrat", from which, another word "Naseer" is derived. Allah (SWT) Has used this name for Himself in Quran as well.

Now if only Allah (SWT) is انصر, which is His attribute like Maulana, then who were called انصاری in Muslim history, by Muhammad (SAW) himself?

You see, the logic I am trying to explain is very simple, which is that shirk, which is prohibited in Islam is an ideology to take someone besides Allah (SWT) as His partner.

Otherwise, these words are from Arabic and Arabs, in their general conversation frequently commit this sort of shirk everyday .... Allah (SWT) is "Shahid" as well as our Protector..... but when an arab will call a witness of a case.... he will call him as "shahid", we in urdu also will call him "ainee shahid"..... this does not mean that in our ideology, we are taking this person as someone as a partner of Allah (SWT). So, shirk is something which is related to your ideas..... not the words and the figures of speech.

 

[Wake up Pak]

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The Qur'an must be accepted as the Final Word.

Maula = The True Master = Lord Supreme. The extremely common practice of calling a religious leader Maulana (Our Master) is a frank, deplorable form of Shirk (associating others with God). But the clergy take pride in it! Many verses in the Qur’an tell us that there is no Maulana but God (2:286, 9:51, 10:30, 34:31). It is amazing to note that the Muslim clergy write Maulana with their names, and with their own hands.


10:30 Therein every person will experience exactly the result of what he did before. They will be brought back to God, their rightful Master, and all their false imagery will fail them.

[Maula = The True Master = Lord Supreme. The extremely common practice of calling a religious leader Maulana (Our Master) is a frank, deplorable form of Shirk (associating others with God). But the clergy take pride in it! Many verses in the Qur’an tell us that there is no Maulana but God. It is amazing to note that the Muslim clergy write Maulana with their names, and with their own hands! 9:51]

 

[Wake up Pak]

Actually you need to read my post again.

Tell me, you have not heard the name "Maulana Abul Kalaam Azaad"?
neither heard of the name "Maulana Rumi"?

جناب قرآن اگر عربی زبان میں نازل ہوا ہے تو اسکا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ عربی کے الفاظ بطور ایک زبان کے صرف قرآن تک ہی محدود رہ گئے ہیں۔

عربی زبان میں یہی الفاظ روزمرّہ کی بول چال میں بھی استعمال ہوتے ہیں۔
اس سے کسی کا شرک ثابت نہیں ہوتا کہ قرآن کے کسی عربی لفظ کو کبھی کوئی عام بول چال میں استعمال کر لے۔ شرک ثابت کرنے کے لیئے آپکو اس شخص سے خود پوچھنا چاہیئے کہ کیا تم خدانخوستہ حضرت علیؓ کو اللہ کے ساتھ شریک ٹھہرا رہے ہو؟

اگر اسکا جواب مثبت میں ہو تو یہ شرک ہے۔ نہیں تو شرک میں بھی کر بیٹھا ہوں، جب سے محفل میں شریک ہوا ہوں، اب آپ فرمائیں کہ کبھی کہیں آپ نے شرکت نہیں فرمائی کسی محفل میں، کسی کارِ خیر میں؟​

Maulana is not a name but our mullah have used it with their name

 

[Wake up Pak]

Actually you need to read my post again.

Tell me, you have not heard the name "Maulana Abul Kalaam Azaad"?
neither heard of the name "Maulana Rumi"?

جناب قرآن اگر عربی زبان میں نازل ہوا ہے تو اسکا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ عربی کے الفاظ بطور ایک زبان کے صرف قرآن تک ہی محدود رہ گئے ہیں۔

عربی زبان میں یہی الفاظ روزمرّہ کی بول چال میں بھی استعمال ہوتے ہیں۔
اس سے کسی کا شرک ثابت نہیں ہوتا کہ قرآن کے کسی عربی لفظ کو کبھی کوئی عام بول چال میں استعمال کر لے۔ شرک ثابت کرنے کے لیئے آپکو اس شخص سے خود پوچھنا چاہیئے کہ کیا تم خدانخوستہ حضرت علیؓ کو اللہ کے ساتھ شریک ٹھہرا رہے ہو؟

اگر اسکا جواب مثبت میں ہو تو یہ شرک ہے۔ نہیں تو شرک میں بھی کر بیٹھا ہوں، جب سے محفل میں شریک ہوا ہوں، اب آپ فرمائیں کہ کبھی کہیں آپ نے شرکت نہیں فرمائی کسی محفل میں، کسی کارِ خیر میں؟​

No one is talking about the Arabic language here.
My point of contention is using the Molana with any human's name while Allah has clearly used that in the Quran for himself.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I have clearly stated my point through the Quran but the Shia cultists are adamant to use moula Ali for Hazrat Ali.
Well, it does not matter as the majoosi cult has nothing to do with Islam anyway, they may use it to satisfy the flawed logic and ego they have.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

Maulana is not a name but our mullah have used it with their name

Yes Maulana is not a name, but an attribute with the name. Like Captain is not a name, but an attribute to the personality.

Along the same lines, do you think the parents of Rumi named him "Maulana" at the time of his birth? or is it an attribute he earned? I think you know the answer of it by yourself.

Therefore, Maula is not the name of Hazrat Ali (RA), it is an attribute to his personality.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

No one is talking about the Arabic language here.
My point of contention is using the Molana with any human's name while Allah has clearly used that in the Quran for himself.

Where does in Quran Allah (SWT) Has forbidden people to use the attributes of Allah (SWT) with their names?

Secondly, Allah (SWT), in the Ayat you quoted (10:30) Has used His real name "Allah, their rightful Master"

Master, is an attribute, not the name of Allah(SWT). Since He is not only the Master, He is the Creator, the Benefactor, the Witness, the Knower, the Guardian, the Judge, the Merciful.... these are all attributes .... His qualities.

Noor is only light, as in Arabic, but "Al-Noor" means "The Light" ... which is specific.

اللہُ الّنُور السمٰواتِ والارض
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ویسے وہ نور مقدّم کے کیس کا کیا بنا؟
سُنا ہے کہ نورِ نظر تھی اپنے والدین کی وہ

اب ان امثال میں نور مقدّم کیا ہے اور نورِ ںظر کیا ہے اور نورالسمٰواتِ والارض کیا ہے؟​

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[Wake up Pak]

Yes Maulana is not a name, but an attribute with the name. Like Captain is not a name, but an attribute to the personality.

Along the same lines, do you think the parents of Rumi named him "Maulana" at the time of his birth? or is it an attribute he earned? I think you know the answer of it by yourself.

Therefore, Maula is not the name of Hazrat Ali (RA), it is an attribute to his personality.

Again you are not getting my point. May it be Maulana Rumi or Maulana Fazlul Rehman (Diesal) Maulana is clearly is being used for Allah alone in the Quran.

Here I copy and posted the above post to think and reflect.

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The Qur'an must be accepted as the Final Word.

Maula = The True Master = Lord Supreme. The extremely common practice of calling a religious leader Maulana (Our Master) is a frank, deplorable form of Shirk (associating others with God). But the clergy take pride in it! Many verses in the Qur’an tell us that there is no Maulana but God (2:286, 9:51, 10:30, 34:31). It is amazing to note that the Muslim clergy write Maulana with their names, and with their own hands.


10:30 Therein every person will experience exactly the result of what he did before. They will be brought back to God, their rightful Master, and all their false imagery will fail them.

[Maula = The True Master = Lord Supreme. The extremely common practice of calling a religious leader Maulana (Our Master) is a frank, deplorable form of Shirk (associating others with God). But the clergy take pride in it! Many verses in the Qur’an tell us that there is no Maulana but God. It is amazing to note that the Muslim clergy write Maulana with their names, and with their own hands!

 

[Wake up Pak]

99 names or attributes of Allah do not have maula or maulana in them.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I have clearly stated my point through the Quran but the Shia cultists are adamant to use moula Ali for Hazrat Ali.
Well, it does not matter as the majoosi cult has nothing to do with Islam anyway, they may use it to satisfy the flawed logic and ego they have.
I rest my case now it is up to majoosis to come back to the Quran or keep worshipping Twelvers.

 

[Sohail Shuja]

Again you are not getting my point. May it be Maulana Rumi or Maulana Fazlul Rehman (Diesal) Maulana is clearly is being used for Allah alone in the Quran.

Here I copy and posted the above post to think and reflect.

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The Qur'an must be accepted as the Final Word.

Yes Quran is the Final word and where in Quran Allah (SWT) Has forbidden to use these attributes with others than Allah (SWT)?

Maula = The True Master = Lord Supreme. The extremely common practice of calling a religious leader Maulana (Our Master) is a frank, deplorable form of Shirk (associating others with God). But the clergy take pride in it! Many verses in the Qur’an tell us that there is no Maulana but God (2:286, 9:51, 10:30, 34:31). It is amazing to note that the Muslim clergy write Maulana with their names, and with their own hands.

If you take Quran as the final word, then why are you giving me this man made explanation of someone who is as much fallible like any of us humans?

10:30 Therein every person will experience exactly the result of what he did before. They will be brought back to God, their rightful Master, and all their false imagery will fail them.

مولا یَا صلّی وَسَلِّم دائماً ابداً
علٰی حَبِیْبِکَ خَیرالخَلق کُلھمٖ


انکو بھی پکڑیں جو کہتے ہیں ’’رسولؐ کے غلام ہیں‘‘​

 

[Sohail Shuja]

I have clearly stated my point through the Quran but

Actually, you have clearly failed to even make a case. However you have clearly started to spit venom against a sect of Islam, to deepen the divide further..... while saying that you do not believe in sectarianism.... you are just making yourself a clear contradiction of your preachings and your practice.

You have the audacity to reject hadith from renowned scholars, and ask every reference from Quran alone, but here, you are copying the explanation of some unknown person.... as a supporting argument.

Please my dear, you are generally a good man. Don't spoil yourself in this sectarian hatred. It is Allah (SWT) Who Knows what a man hides and what he shows.... and He is The Best Judge.

Lets just not waste our time and energies in spiteful activities, since we are not the saviours of Allah (SWT), rather He be our Saviour (Ameen) and no one can harm Allah (SWT), so don't worry if someone is following the correct Islam or not. As far as someone clearly says that he does not equate anyone with Allah(SWT), then calling him a mushrik is an utter sin in itself. It is "Tuhmat" and "Buhtaan".

 

[ranaji]

Hazrat Ali can not be maula Ali.
Maula is only Allah!!!

حضور صلعم نے بھی حضرت علی علیہ سلام کو مولا بھئ فرمایا تھا

انہوں نے فرمایا تھا
جس کا میں مولا ہوں علیُ اسکے مولا ہیں بحرحال اپنا اپنا اعتقاد اور ہے میں شیعہ نہیں لیکن میں مولا علی علیہ سلام کو مولا علی ہی کہتا ہوں اور ہمارا پورا گھرانا مولا علیُ علیہ سلام ہی کہتا ہے

 

[Wake up Pak]

Actually, you have clearly failed to even make a case. However you have clearly started to spit venom against a sect of Islam, to deepen the divide further..... while saying that you do not believe in sectarianism.... you are just making yourself a clear contradiction of your preachings and your practice.

You have the audacity to reject hadith from renowned scholars, and ask every reference from Quran alone, but here, you are copying the explanation of some unknown person.... as a supporting argument.

Please my dear, you are generally a good man. Don't spoil yourself in this sectarian hatred. It is Allah (SWT) Who Knows what a man hides and what he shows.... and He is The Best Judge.

Lets just not waste our time and energies in spiteful activities, since we are not the saviours of Allah (SWT), rather He be our Saviour (Ameen) and no one can harm Allah (SWT), so don't worry if someone is following the correct Islam or not. As far as someone clearly says that he does not equate anyone with Allah(SWT), then calling him a mushrik is an utter sin in itself. It is "Tuhmat" and "Buhtaan".

I'm not here to spread sectarian hatred but to make people realize who follow the sects to come to thier senses and follow the Quran alone.
I will counter any sect through the Quran alone as ahadeeth has no authority in Islam.
It is not thumat or bhutan but clear verses from the Quran.
You may like it or not but i will speak my mind while keeping the guidance of Allah in mind.
If you still want to call Hazrat Ali a maula or maulana by all means do but, i will not back down from it as it is clear from the Quran that maulana is for Allah alone.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Yes Quran is the Final word and where in Quran Allah (SWT) Has forbidden to use these attributes with others than Allah (SWT)?


If you take Quran as the final word, then why are you giving me this man made explanation of someone who is as much fallible like any of us humans?

مولا یَا صلّی وَسَلِّم دائماً ابداً
علٰی حَبِیْبِکَ خَیرالخَلق کُلھمٖ


انکو بھی پکڑیں جو کہتے ہیں ’’رسولؐ کے غلام ہیں‘‘​

Jahalt ka mayray paas koi ilj nahi.agar koi .

مولا یَا صلّی وَسَلِّم دائماً ابداً
علٰی حَبِیْبِکَ خَیرالخَلق کُلکُلھمٖ
parhta hay tu woh janay anjanay may shirk kar raha hay.​

 

[Wake up Pak]

حضور صلعم نے بھی حضرت علی علیہ سلام کو مولا بھئ فرمایا تھا

انہوں نے فرمایا تھا
جس کا میں مولا ہوں علیُ اسکے مولا ہیں بحرحال اپنا اپنا اعتقاد اور ہے میں شیعہ نہیں لیکن میں مولا علی علیہ سلام کو مولا علی ہی کہتا ہوں اور ہمارا پورا گھرانا مولا علیُ علیہ سلام ہی کہتا ہے

Aap key marzi hay laykin may tu Quran say samjhanay key koshish kar raha hoon.

 

[ranaji]

Aap key marzi hay laykin may tu Quran say samjhanay key koshish kar raha hoon.

Best way of life
اپنا عقیدہ چھوڑو نہ دوسروں کا عقیدہ چھیڑو نہ
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