Pentagon Has Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth

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[RasageerLohar]

There is a reason of this race to get to Mars and beyond. Probably to find materials on seen on earth to get material advantage on others

 

[A.jokhio]

its all lie....staged...the plan is on its execution...

 

[Citizen X]

I might sound like a total nut job and conspiracy theorist but there is enough evidence that we are being visited by extra terrestrial intelligent life specially since mankind go its hands on nukes and some of their craft have crashed in many places in the world including Pakistan.

 

[Vitamin_C]

I have spent a chunk of time on this but I didnt find any evidence for it.

Most American tech came from Nazi scientists. While Ancient Egyptians were completely capable of building the pyramids.

I might sound like a total nut job and conspiracy theorist but there is enough evidence that we are being visited by extra terrestrial intelligent life specially since mankind go its hands on nukes and some of their craft have crashed in many places in the world including Pakistan.

 

[Citizen X]

I have spent a chunk of time on this but I didnt find any evidence for it.

Most American tech came from Nazi scientists. While Ancient Egyptians were completely capable of building the pyramids.

Evidence for what?

 

[RajaRawal111]

I might sound like a total nut job and conspiracy theorist but there is enough evidence that we are being visited by extra terrestrial intelligent life specially since mankind go its hands on nukes and some of their craft have crashed in many places in the world including Pakistan.

You sound like real morphious of The Matrix. Did some one told you any story of ETs crashing or you visited any place of crash? How did you come to this idea.?

 

[Vitamin_C]

Visitations by extra terrestrials. I know some govts are hiding something but at the same time I didnt find any convincing evidence to support the idea of Earth being visited by intelligent alien life.

Evidence for what?

 

[Masud Javed]

it feels like American media is trying to divert attention

 

[Citizen X]

Visitations by extra terrestrials. I know some govts are hiding something but at the same time I didnt find any convincing evidence to support the idea of Earth being visited by intelligent alien life.

Well then I seriously doubt you have spent a "chunk of time on it" spend a little more for starters

 

[Vitamin_C]

I hope you are not being serious, how can an intelligent person like you believe in this nonsense.

Anecdotes and personal experiences are not verifiable evidence.

Of all the UFO that have been identified, they were either weather baloons, meteors, planets etc. None were identified as flying saucers.

And to say that a lie from a government agency (during the height of cold war when US was regularly flying spy planes over USSR), and then connect it to flying saucers is bizarre.

Well then I seriously doubt you have spent a "chunk of time on it" spend a little more for starters

 

[Citizen X]

Did you watch the video, obviously not.

Of all the UFO that have been identified

Thats the thing not all have been identified, and there have been very well documented cases with very credible eye witness who have nothing to gain, rather the opposite, ridiculed and even lost jobs.

Just some of the witnesses and these are not your regular red neck farmers who saw some lights

On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence

 

[Vitamin_C]

I did watch it. The person in the video never himself saw or studied a UFO sighting, all his argumente are based on anecdotes and personal testimony. Thats why I said personal testimony is not evidence because it cannot be independently verified.

When humans are working with unknowns or gaps in knowledge they make up explanations to answer those questions.

When humans didnt know how Earthquakes are caused they said its bull that is holding earth on its horns. Ancient greeks thought lightening is caused by Apollo and Arabs though sun is a flying burning chariot. Everytime we filled a gap in the unknown it turned out to be a naturak explanation and not supernatural.

Similarly every unknown flying object that we were able to study and later on identify turned out to be Earthly object or meteor/planet.

Pointing out at an unknown and then saying look we dont know what it is therefore its a giant bull under the ground or a flying saucer is known as what we call in philosophy an argument from ignorance. Also, like the Flat Earthers you will find alot of confirmation bias amongst ufo conspiracy theoriests.

Did you watch the video, obviously not.

Thats the thing not all have been identified, and there have been very well documented cases with very credible eye witness who have nothing to gain, rather the opposite, ridiculed and even lost jobs.

Just some of the witnesses and these are not your regular red neck farmers who saw some lights

On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence

 

[Citizen X]

I did watch it. The person in the video never himself saw or studied a UFO sighting, all his argumente are based on anecdotes and personal testimony. Thats why I said personal testimony is not evidence because it cannot be independently verified.

What are you on about mate?!?! Stanton Friedman has studied more UFO sightings and interviewed witnesses probably more than anyone else, he has literally written the book ( among many others ) on the most famous one after very detailed research. The Roswell Incident called Crash At Corona.

Look up Rendlesham forest incident where US military including a colonel along with dozen or soldiers witnessed a UFO at close proximity over a couple of nights.

Read Faded Giants by Robert Salas ( a long military career ) which includes official military communication about these events.

UFOs have been painted by civilian and military radars countless times, there have been mass sightings of a single UFO over major cities

And I just posted a tiny portion of "independently verified" testimony by professionals in their field who have nothing to gain from it, other than ridicule and harassment.

And all of this is not even the tiny tip of the ice berg of evidence that is out there.

When humans are working with unknowns or gaps in knowledge they make up explanations to answer those questions.

Exactly, they get turned into swamp gas, flares or some other whimsical "explanation"!

Unfortunately there is a lot of fake trash out there which buries the real evidence. But if you know what you are looking for then its not hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. But it is difficult for the ordinary joe.

 

[Vitamin_C]

What are you on about mate?!?! Stanton Friedman has studied more UFO sightings and interviewed witnesses probably more than anyone else

Sorry I miss-typed. I meant that he never witnessed a UFO himself his entire life.

Look up Rendlesham forest incident where US military including a colonel along with dozen or soldiers witnessed a UFO at close proximity over a couple of nights.

Read Faded Giants by Robert Salas ( a long military career ) which includes official military communication about these events.

UFOs have been painted by civilian and military radars countless times, there have been mass sightings of a single UFO over major cities

So what? UFO is just an unidentified object. Whether its on ground, under the water, in air or in space, sometimes we fail to identify objects, sometimes radars malfunctions, sometimes we misjudge things. And its normal.

Why do you automatically assume UFO means Aliens and Flying Saucers?

And I just posted a tiny portion of "independently verified" testimony by professionals in their field who have nothing to gain from it, other than ridicule and harassment.

Testimonials, Heresay and Anecdotes are not evidence so lets not even go there. I am sure you have enough knowledge about critical thinking & logic/reasoning and I do not even have to explain this to you.

Exactly, they get turned into swamp gas, flares or some other whimsical "explanation"!

Unfortunately there is a lot of fake trash out there which buries the real evidence. But if you know what you are looking for then its not hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. But it is difficult for the ordinary joe.

Thats what the flat earthers say, all the governments of the world are all in on this.

And all of this is not even the tiny tip of the ice berg of evidence that is out there.

This is not evidence. Evidence is DNA or any trace of Aliens. Examples of technology that is outside this universe. Don't give me Indian Airforce style grainy videos, radar images and people swearing they saw Abhinandan shoot down an F-16. None of those are evidence, they do not show the whole picture, they cannot be independently verified and are not infallible.

 

[Citizen X]

Why do you automatically assume UFO means Aliens and Flying Saucers?

No that is never done, in fact its only assumed when all other options are exhausted.

Testimonials, Heresay and Anecdotes are not evidence

Depends on who is saying it, if its Farmer Bob out from the boondocks then it's iffy. But if it is a decorated officer with a long and successful military career, a professor, A weapons specialist, politicians, high ranking govt officials who are risking a lot by going public with their account and there are quite a sizable number of such professionals then they can't be easily dismissed.

Thats what the flat earthers say, all the governments of the world are all in on this.

I wasn't talking about govts I was talking about regular joe, just youtube ufo sightings and everyday a million fake videos pop up. etc etc

None of those are evidence, they do not show the whole picture, they cannot be independently verified and are not infallible.

None of those are evidence, to you. they do not show the whole picture, but enough of it is seen to rule out earthly possibilities. They have been (once again) independently verified in many cases.

 

[Vitamin_C]

No that is never done, in fact its only assumed when all other options are exhausted.

Why assume anything at all in the absense of evidence? How does it make us any different than people who assumed Earthquakes are caued by bulls?

Depends on who is saying it, if its Farmer Bob out from the boondocks then it's iffy. But if it is a decorated officer with a long and successful military career, a professor, A weapons specialist, politicians, high ranking govt officials who are risking a lot by going public with their account and there are quite a sizable number of such professionals then they can't be easily dismissed.

Doesnt matter who says what. What matters is what we have evidence for. Even Einstein was wrong 50% of the time so dont give me arguments from authority because its a logical fallacy. For every scientist who believes in alien visitations, there are 10 who don't so what?

None of those are evidence, to you. they do not show the whole picture, but enough of it is seen to rule out earthly possibilities. They have been (once again) independently verified in many cases

Really dude? Is this what you are going to base arguments on? Arguments from ignorance, arguments from authority, anecdotes, personal testimonies and making assumptions with no hard evidence.

There is a definition of what counts as evidence and what doesnt, unfortunately anecdotes, personal testimonies and unsupported assumptions are not evidence. Wheres the wreckage? Wheres the samples we can test? Wheres the technology that cannot be explained by our physics?

 

[Citizen X]

Why assume anything at all in the absense of evidence?

Exactly, when you don't have any evidence nor any viable plausible explanation, until such time it remains an Unidentified Flying Object.

Doesnt matter who says what.

Yes it does, people go to jail or even sentenced to capital punishment on credible witness testimony.

For every scientist who believes in alien visitations, there are 10 who don't so what?

Exactly so its up in the air, and just the same you cannot disregard it. There has been no proof that they don't exist. And if you look at the probability of the billions and trillions of stars and planets out in the universe, and mathematically the probability of intelligent life out there is pretty high and vice versa if you look at the probability of only earth having life in the universe is virtually none.

There is a definition of what counts as evidence and what doesnt, unfortunately anecdotes, personal testimonies and unsupported assumptions are not evidence.

It's called circumstantial evidence. If you are looking for a smoking gun one hasn't been found or shown to the public. Besides TBH your bar for what you consider evidence is set too high and quite unrealistic, one of the reasons you are agnostic

That's a whole other can of worms that wreckage has been recovered, some even say the instant boost in technology over the last 30-40 years is reversed engineered from recovered tech. But since there really isn't a lot of evidence for this, hence I don't delve into this theory much.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Yes it does, people go to jail or even sentenced to capital punishment on credible witness testimony.

Yes but witness testimony in the absense of independent hard evidence is not enough. There may have been miscarriages of laws in the past where an innocent person was imprisoned for decades when someone made an accusation from false memory but its a flawed method nonetheless.

Exactly so its up in the air, and just the same you cannot disregard it. There has been no proof that they don't exist. And if you look at the probability of the billions and trillions of stars and planets out in the universe, and mathematically the probability of intelligent life out there is pretty high and vice versa if you look at the probability of only earth having life in the universe is virtually none.

In the same way as pink unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters, Santa Claus and tooth fairies are still in the air. Just because we cannot disprove something it doesn't make any claim on its likelihood of existence. So saying its up in the air means nothing.

I'm not saying that there is no intelligent alien life, that's not what ufologists are arguing. They are specifically arguing that we have been physically visited by intelligent aliens. That belief is not based on any evidence and there is no justification for us to believe it until someone comes up with some real evidence.

That's a whole other can of worms that wreckage has been recovered, some even say the instant boost in technology over the last 30-40 years is reversed engineered from recovered tech. But since there really isn't a lot of evidence for this, hence I don't delve into this theory much.

You mean the swept engine design for super sonic flight, jet powered engines, rockets? That's all world war 2 era German technology. Its nothing that humans are not capable of. This argument is just turning into a flat earth type sketchy conspiracy theory.

 

[Citizen X]

Yes but witness testimony in the absense of independent hard evidence is not enough

If just one or two people make a claim, not when 1000s of credible people make the same claim.

In the same way as pink unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters, Santa Claus and tooth fairies are still in the air. Just because we cannot disprove something it doesn't make any claim on its likelihood of existence. So saying its up in the air means nothing.

Stawmen argument. No one en masse are making those claims.

They are specifically arguing that we have been physically visited by intelligent aliens.

Enough circumstantial evidence exists to back those claims up.

You mean the swept engine design for super sonic flight, jet powered engines, rockets? That's all world war 2 era German technology.

No I meant IT, ICs, Going from ware house sized computers running on magnetic tapes and punch cards to the size of your fingernail and 1000 times more powerful and all in the span of less than a generation.

FYI : Even WW2 pilots encountered strange phenomena in the air, each side thought it was some advanced weapon from the other side. Look up foo fighters.

This argument is just turning into a flat earth type sketchy conspiracy theory.

Poles apart, no one other than some redneck Youtube fools and one member here believes in it. Not a single scientist, teacher, professor or even a well educated professional in some field pays credence to that.