NO need for Nawaz Sharif to Resign for 30 days

[Respect]

PML N has agreed with all demands except NS resignation, PTI however asked for 30 days resignation.

Now could someone tell me if NS resigns, are we seriously saying that the commission will be free and fair?
NO as long as PML N govt has influence over commission and Nadra it will make not much difference. Even if NS resigns for 30 days and PTI decides to leave it could be the end of PTI because nothing will come of it.

Now I have a solution, the main issue at this time is free and fair commission in order to get to the bottom of vote rigging.
Despite PML N refused to open 4 constituencies despite all the pressure we gave them in parliamnent, jalsa and media talk shows.

Despite all parties agreed that rigging has taken place, despite interior minister said that 7000 too 70000 cannot be verified,

despite Afzal Khan who was 2nd in command exposed the 2013 elections,

despite video evidence of vote rigging, we still require a commission too verify how much rigging took place. Let us agree for a moment all this evidence is not substantial to prove vote rigging and we still require commission.

My point is very simple, courts and govt cannot be trusted too conduct a free and fair commission. For us too unsure free and fair commission we have to be a part of it, that is correct 5 members of PTI kiyadat join commission and we have a live camera with us as well, so awam can see for themselves. We should be given full authority too open whatever box we want to verify the votes live on TV. If proven there has been mammoth vote rigging then NS resigns and free and fair elections, if NOT then PTI goes home. We should waive the issue of NS resigning because it makes no difference unless we can ensure there is a free and commission. This commission can start within 24 hours and also PTI does not leave Azadi march/container until findings are complete, otherwise govt will be laughing at us.

"NO need for Nawaz Shairf to resign for 30 days, will make no difference in ​ensuring a free and fair commission".

 

[Respect]

Solution to Deadlock

PML N has agreed with all demands except NS resignation, PTI however asked for 30 days resignation.

Now could someone tell me if NS resigns, are we seriously saying that the commission will be free and fair?
NO as long as PML N govt has influence over commission and Nadra it will make not much difference. Even if NS resigns for 30 days and PTI decides to leave it could be the end of PTI because nothing will come of it.

Now I have a solution, the main issue at this time is free and fair commission in order to get to the bottom of vote rigging.
Despite PML N refused to open 4 constituencies despite all the pressure we gave them in parliamnent, jalsa and media talk shows.

Despite all parties agreed that rigging has taken place, despite interior minister said that 7000 too 70000 cannot be verified,

despite Afzal Khan who was 2nd in command exposed the 2013 elections,

despite video evidence of vote rigging, we still require a commission too verify how much rigging took place. Let us agree for a moment all this evidence is not substantial to prove vote rigging and we still require commission.

My point is very simple, courts and govt cannot be trusted too conduct a free and fair commission. For us too unsure free and fair commission we have to be a part of it, that is correct 5 members of PTI kiyadat join commission and we have a live camera with us as well, so awam can see for themselves. We should be given full authority too open whatever box we want to verify the votes live on TV. If proven there has been mammoth vote rigging then NS resigns and free and fair elections, if NOT then PTI goes home. We should waive the issue of NS resigning because it makes no difference unless we can ensure there is a free and commission. This commission can start within 24 hours and also PTI does not leave Azadi march/container until findings are complete, otherwise govt will be laughing at us.

"NO need for Nawaz Shairf to resign for 30 days, will make no difference in ensuring a free and fair commission".

 

[moazzamniaz]

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[Aik_Sawal]

Non verification and rigging are separate. One does NOT prove the other.


Also, I don't understand why did the polling agents sign-off on the result lists, if there was some problem in the voting or counting.


No polling agent of PTI withheld his signatures or raised hue and cry during the voting and counting (except for a Karachi polling station where the problem was polling starting late).


PTI wait and sat for the results thinking they will win and when they heard the results of a loss, all of a sudden remembered dhandli.


Also, if there was rigging, then why don't the resign from the KPK govt. Clearly that will make the strongest moral statement regarding the issue and after that all of them can sit a do dharna anywhere forever.


At the moment, how is it fair to hold the seats won through rigging, then cry about rigging and then not resign from then and to top it all, then leave all the responsibilities and come and do a 'nach march' as if on a vacation.


What hypocrisy!

 

[AntiEstablishment]

Use ''a lot'' method used by auditors

 

[GreenLovePeace]

Non verification and rigging are separate. One does NOT prove the other.


Also, I don't understand why did the polling agents sign-off on the result lists, if there was some problem in the voting or counting.



No polling agent of PTI withheld his signatures or raised hue and cry during the voting and counting (except for a Karachi polling station where the problem was polling starting late).


PTI wait and sat for the results thinking they will win and when they heard the results of a loss, all of a sudden remembered dhandli.


Also, if there was rigging, then why don't the resign from the KPK govt. Clearly that will make the strongest moral statement regarding the issue and after that all of them can sit a do dharna anywhere forever.


At the moment, how is it fair to hold the seats won through rigging, then cry about rigging and then not resign from then and to top it all, then leave all the responsibilities and come and do a 'nach march' as if on a vacation.


What hypocrisy!

Non-verification means something went wrong. It may not prove rigging but the process was clearly contaminated, maybe on purpose or maybe by accident. Either way a re-election becomes imperative as soon as possible.

 

[Aik_Sawal]

Non-verification means something went wrong. It may not prove rigging but the process was clearly contaminated, maybe on purpose or maybe by accident. Either way a re-election becomes imperative as soon as possible.

Okay, then reign from KPK and then come and talk to me.

 

[GreenLovePeace]

Okay, then reign from KPK and then come and talk to me.

PTI's resigned from assembly already. Principle dictates that you are not part of corruption or rigging or even the system where that occurred. Rigging did not occur in KPK (at least not to the extent to grant PTI the victory), so PTI is justified in keeping it's government there. If there are people in KPK who believe rigging cost them a win then that party's members should resign from KPK to make that statement.
Remind me why nawaz and co didn't resign when zardari was in power? And when asked this very question all he could say was aye baye shaye.

 

[Unlettered]

Its not about NS' resignation. Its actually a test given to him by the 'powers that be' to see whether he is arrogant enough to sacrifice the system for his PM ship. The government has to go for sure with all the coming rigging revelations, its clear that the army has decided. It would be wise if NS could resign and dissolve the assembly to avoid bloodshed.

 

[Nice2MU]

میں تو شروع سے اس مطالبے کیخلاف تھا کیونکہ نورے بغیر فوجیوں کے ڈنڈے کے استعفٰی نہیں دیگا کیونکہ استعفٰی وہ دیتے ہیں جو چور نہ ہو اور جن میں کچھ اخلاقی قوت ہو۔ نوروں کا اخلاقیات سے دور دور کا بھی کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔

 

[moazzamniaz]

میں تو شروع سے اس مطالبے کیخلاف تھا کیونکہ نورے بغیر فوجیوں کے ڈنڈے کے استعفٰی نہیں دیگا کیونکہ استعفٰی وہ دیتے ہیں جو چور نہ ہو اور جن میں کچھ اخلاقی قوت ہو۔ نوروں کا اخلاقیات سے دور دور کا بھی کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔

۔ اسلام آباد میں فیڈرل حکومت اور لاہور میں صوبائی حکومت کا گھیراؤ کر کے دونوں حکومتیں جام کر دو. کیسے استفعی نہیں دے گا. یہ جو لاہور میں تین جگہوں پر الگ الگ دھرنے چل رہے ہیں، ان تینوں کو اسمبلی کے سامنے اور وزیر اعلی ہاؤس کے سامنے شفٹ کرو اور حکومت کو جام کر دو

 

[Nice2MU]

۔ اسلام آباد میں فیڈرل حکومت اور لاہور میں صوبائی حکومت کا گھیراؤ کر کے دونوں حکومتیں جام کر دو. کیسے استفعی نہیں دے گا. یہ جو لاہور میں تین جگہوں پر الگ الگ دھرنے چل رہے ہیں، ان تینوں کو اسمبلی کے سامنے اور وزیر اعلی ہاؤس کے سامنے شفٹ کرو اور حکومت کو جام کر دو

یار جوکر اعلٰی تو اب دیگا ہی دیگا۔ مسلۂ نواز شریف کا ہے۔

 

[moazzamniaz]

یار جوکر اعلٰی تو اب دیگا ہی دیگا۔ مسلۂ نواز شریف کا ہے۔

۔ نواز کے استفعی کا تو آپ بھی کہہ رہے ہیں کہ صائب اور قابل تکمیل مطالبہ نہیں . میں تو باقی مطالبات کی بات کر رہا ہوں. انکی گردن پر انگوٹھا رکھ کر باقی سارے جائز مطالبات فورا تسلیم کرواؤ. یہ جیو ڈیشل کمیشن اور پارلیمانی کمیٹیوں میں جا گیر داروں اور سرمایا داروں نے مطالبات کے ساتھ جو بلاتکار کرنا ہے آپکو بھی بخوبی علم ہے . جو صحیح مطالبہ ہے اسکا نفاذ فورا کیوں نہ ہو ؟؟ نورے اور اسکے حواری اپنی کرسیاں بچانے کیلیے ہر طرح کی لچک دکھایں گے

 

[GeoG]

PTI's resigned from assembly already. Principle dictates that you are not part of corruption or rigging or even the system where that occurred. Rigging did not occur in KPK (at least not to the extent to grant PTI the victory), so PTI is justified in keeping it's government there. If there are people in KPK who believe rigging cost them a win then that party's members should resign from KPK to make that statement.
Remind me why nawaz and co didn't resign when zardari was in power? And when asked this very question all he could say was aye baye shaye.

Would you Please QUANTIFY what percentage did take place
and what what percentage was required to change results

 

[Usama Tayyab]

they need to hang publicly

 

[Citizen X]

Taking it at face value, non verification means that vote is null and void and according to Nisar himself each Halqa has 60 to 70k un verified votes. How can this election be declared legitimate when such a huge number of votes are unverified. This itself calls for stepping down of current govt and immediate re-elections. Doh ! Talking sense to Nooras is like discussing Shakespeare with monkeys !

 

[GreenLovePeace]

Would you Please QUANTIFY what percentage did take place
and what what percentage was required to change results

When you have 70 percent of the votes that are unverifiable (according to nissar) that means you have massive contamination of results.