East Pakistan 1954~ 1971

[nutral is munafek]

In 1954 ,the bureaucratic influence was strong in the western provinces of Pakistan while the eastern province retained a majority of the population. On 22 November 1954, bureaucratic administrators moved a resolution to merge the four western provinces into a single unit called West Pakistan. This led to public outcry in East Pakistan who felt that they were being misrepresented and systematically marginalised by the land-owning Punjabi Muslim elites who enjoyed higher bureaucratic positions at the time. This led to the secession of East Pakistan into the separate nation state of Bangladesh and lay witness to the corrupt malpractices of the Punjabi elite in West Pakistan. Punjabis argued that East Pakistan's majority was a consequence of the high percentage of Bengali Hindus in the province who were not involved in the state's decision-making processes. Thus, the Punjabi landowners remained largely unrepentant of their desires to "[secure] their own hegemony" leading to the loss of the eastern province in 1971.
(Wikipedia)

 

[Complete Sense]

Many Countries divided because of internal bad politics....But Pakistan case is diffrent bad politics and coward and greedy Generals made Pakistan divided into 2.

 

[Kam]

Non-sense.
The reason for separation is in the name of Bangladesh itself. People of west Pakistan were not and are not living in heavens.
Nationalism was strong in BD since day 1. Others were just events and excuses.

 

[stranger]

dont forget the mother fuckher ghaddars at GHQ planned their first milatry coup against Liaqat Ali Khan, when failed, they assasinated Liaqat Ali Khan.....

its not bureaucracy... its the GHQ.... and the bhutto who was selected by ayub khan as foreign minister (just like we have bilawal bhutto now) and he was the one behind the political failure of Pakistan in 1971... Bangalies were not demanding separate country until a milltary operation is launched against civilians... and that only happened when yahya khan refused to call for assembly session and to transfer power to elected political parties (just like PMD no... see Bhutto and co was political advisors of then a ghaddar General yahya khan)

 

[cheetah]

Just want to add Punjabi elites are like multistar Generals and punjabi general public are like rest of the army which is insensitive of its surroundings slave mentality.

 

[A.G.Uddin]

1. When it comes to East Pakistan becoming Bangladesh, the only incomplete task that continues to haunt our conscience is plight of stranded Pakistanis that still languish in camps of Bangladesh. To make it worse their numbers are way less than even Afghan refugees that flocked to Pakistan after 1979 and received citizenships.
2. In terms of East and West Pakistan situation was fragile from Day 1 since the only mutual neighbour with whom the two wings shared land borders was an arch rival. On top of that this was the map originally proposed by Chaudhry Rehmat Ali
   
   
   However Muslims of the subcontinent who supported All India Muslim League especially those who used to reside in U.P., Bihar, C.P. and other areas of present-day India were in for a major shock when 3rd June Plan was announced. Not a single village from these areas went to Pakistan and they were later on in confused about whether to migrate or stay in Republic of India.....Honestly, one may still argue that Rehmat Ali (who himself later on got exiled from Pakistan itself) didn't adopt a practical approach while designing the map.
3. Apart from Bengal, Punjab had also been divided. However, while discussing about events of 1971 and instability of democratic/political infrastructure, we are often not told about history of Unionist Party which used to call shots in United Punjab and gave tough time to Muslim League over there before partition. Perhaps ENTIRE Punjab would have gone to India had certain Muslim members from the Unionist Party not deflected towards Muslim League.....and they did so not for the sake of Deen-e-Islam but save their own estates and properties which they would loose due to Land Reforms. So feudalism and horse trading were always there and presently we witnessed power tussle in Punjab between PML-N, PML-Q and PTI. Not against Punjabi friends/siblings who without any fault have now become a target of abuses and stereotypes.

 

[stranger]

1. When it comes to East Pakistan becoming Bangladesh, the only incomplete task that continues to haunt our conscience is plight of stranded Pakistanis that still languish in camps of Bangladesh. To make it worse their numbers are way less than even Afghan refugees that flocked to Pakistan after 1979 and received citizenships.
2. In terms of East and West Pakistan situation was fragile from Day 1 since the only mutual neighbour with whom the two wings shared land borders was an arch rival. On top of that this was the map originally proposed by Chaudhry Rehmat Ali
   
   
   However Muslims of the subcontinent who supported All India Muslim League especially those who used to reside in U.P., Bihar, C.P. and other areas of present-day India were in for a major shock when 3rd June Plan was announced. Not a single village from these areas went to Pakistan and they were later on in confused about whether to migrate or stay in Republic of India.....Honestly, one may still argue that Rehmat Ali (who himself later on got exiled from Pakistan itself) didn't adopt a practical approach while designing the map.
3. Apart from Bengal, Punjab had also been divided. However, while discussing about events of 1971 and instability of democratic/political infrastructure, we are often not told about history of Unionist Party which used to call shots in United Punjab and gave tough time to Muslim League over there before partition. Perhaps ENTIRE Punjab would have gone to India had certain Muslim members from the Unionist Party not deflected towards Muslim League.....and they did so not for the sake of Deen-e-Islam but save their own estates and properties which they would loose due to Land Reforms. So feudalism and horse trading were always there and presently we witnessed power tussle in Punjab between PML-N, PML-Q and PTI. Not against Punjabi friends/siblings who without any fault have now become a target of abuses and stereotypes.

state of kashmir and state of haidarabad/deccan were two major issues with the map proposed above (along with many other smaller regions)... kashmir was muslim majority state ruled by hindu king, deccan on the other hand was a hindu majority state, ruled by muslim king... partition of bengal and punjab were also fraudulent and all credit goes to radcliffe... dont forget the role of roosevelt-churchill plan for india and how/why kingly states ruled by muslims joined hands with muslim league... let alone the punjabi elite... and what we call punjab these days is not the real punjab... south punjab is not a part of punjab, rather its a state of bahawalpur

just to remind one more issue, Jinah announced urdu as national language in the very begining of 1947 separation (i will not call it independence) while majority of its population was not able to speak or understand it (not just all bangalies but even in west Pakistan many were unable to understand it) and thats how mujeeb got involved into politics.....

Unionist party was in power after 1945 elections because they had a collation government along with congress and sikhs (i guess it was akali dal) so unionist party was convinced (bribed/dictated) to make way for partition of punjab

 

[chandaa]

And they are now doing the same. These fucking traitor Generals want to divide the remaining Pakistan.

 

[Lathi-Charge]

after 71 debacle, Bhutto had a great chance to reign in the ambitious generals and restrict them to their main role for good but being a beneficiary of the same he let them get away with it and paid the ultimately price. After Bhutto, today IK has the same popular support. I hope IK learns from history and use his cards carefully and instead of hoping and praying for a benevolent overlord, make this country a true democracy with strong independent institutions.

 

[stranger]

after 71 debacle, Bhutto had a great chance to reign in the ambitious generals and restrict them to their main role for good but being a beneficiary of the same he let them get away with it and paid the ultimately price. After Bhutto, today IK has the same popular support. I hope IK learns from history and use his cards carefully and instead of hoping and praying for a benevolent overlord, make this country a true democracy with strong independent institutions.

nothing is possible unless we hang traitors.. and you will understand why west is so against the death penalty because their assets in poor countries will be eliminated that way.. So west will do its best to safegaurd traitors and stooges

 

[Lathi-Charge]

nothing is possible unless we hang traitors.. and you will understand why west is so against the death penalty because their assets in poor countries will be eliminated that way.. So west will do its best to safegaurd traitors and stooges

in history, no power has willingly given up on their powers and in Pak context we are talking about people who have never been held answerable to any authority. the ones who break their oath should certainly be dealt with sternly as specified in the constitution and all those who provide justifications for their misdeeds with law of necessities etc be dealt as their collaborators. for that to happen, masses will have to come out a la Turkey.

 

[A.G.Uddin]

state of kashmir and state of haidarabad/deccan were two major issues with the map proposed above (along with many other smaller regions)... kashmir was muslim majority state ruled by hindu king, deccan on the other hand was a hindu majority state, ruled by muslim king... partition of bengal and punjab were also fraudulent and all credit goes to radcliffe... dont forget the role of roosevelt-churchill plan for india and how/why kingly states ruled by muslims joined hands with muslim league... let alone the punjabi elite... and what we call punjab these days is not the real punjab... south punjab is not a part of punjab, rather its a state of bahawalpur

just to remind one more issue, Jinah announced urdu as national language in the very begining of 1947 separation (i will not call it independence) while majority of its population was not able to speak or understand it (not just all bangalies but even in west Pakistan many were unable to understand it) and thats how mujeeb got involved into politics.....

Unionist party was in power after 1945 elections because they had a collation government along with congress and sikhs (i guess it was akali dal) so unionist party was convinced (bribed/dictated) to make way for partition of punjab

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Coincidentally my own grandparents had also migrated from Princely State of Hyderabad (Deccan). Plus all these provinces were made during dictatorship(s) of Ayub Khan and/or Yahya Khan. They say even Karachi was made a provincial capital of Sindh when there were options of declaring it a Federal/Union Territory or a separate province. But notable leadership among Muhajirs that time especially Nawab Muzaffar Khan (I guess that was his name) was not visionary or dedicated enough. There was a movement for Karachi province in 1970s and the man who led it was Mirza Jawad Baig...but our immortal "Democrat" Bhutto sahab crushed it through unethical means. After formation of APMSO , rest is history. Even Altaf Hussain is a Frankenstein's Monster of the same Neutrals.

Regarding Urdu language, what (other) language would be medium of communication if villagers from Central Punjab, Seraiki Belt, interior Sindh and KPK are put together? Is it Spanish, English, German or French? Punjab has also made valuable contributions in development of Urdu. Allama Mohammed Iqbal, Krishan Chander, Rajinder Singh Bedi, Bollywood lyricist Gulzar, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Habib Jalib are/were all not just from Punjab but born before partition...So there was no imposition atleast when it comes to Punjab.

And as mentioned, there was a fishy business of bribery to divide/partition Punjab. In addition Muslim League had formed provincial governments in NWFP(now KPK) , Sindh and (United) Bengal....And as per certain Indian Liberal pages/sources, guess who were allies of League over there against Congress and Abdul Ghaffar Khan? Hindu extremist groups like RSS and Hindu Mahasabha......if these were foundations and materials from those days then what outcome can one expect? They say that even Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was never liked by senior leaders of Muslim League.

 

[stranger]

Would like to focus on bolded sentences

Coincidentally my own grandparents had also migrated from Princely State of Hyderabad (Deccan). Plus all these provinces were made during dictatorship(s) of Ayub Khan and/or Yahya Khan. They say even Karachi was made a provincial capital of Sindh when there were options of declaring it a Federal/Union Territory or a separate province. But notable leadership among Muhajirs that time especially Nawab Muzaffar Khan (I guess that was his name) was not visionary or dedicated enough. There was a movement for Karachi province in 1970s and the man who led it was Mirza Jawad Baig...but our immortal "Democrat" Bhutto sahab crushed it through unethical means. After formation of APMSO , rest is history. Even Altaf Hussain is a Frankenstein's Monster of the same Neutrals.

Regarding Urdu language, what (other) language would be medium of communication if villagers from Central Punjab, Seraiki Belt, interior Sindh and KPK are put together? Is it Spanish, English, German or French? Punjab has also made valuable contributions in development of Urdu. Allama Mohammed Iqbal, Krishan Chander, Rajinder Singh Bedi, Bollywood lyricist Gulzar, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Habib Jalib are/were all not just from Punjab but born before partition...So there was no imposition atleast when it comes to Punjab.

And as mentioned, there was a fishy business of bribery to divide/partition Punjab. In addition Muslim League had formed provincial governments in NWFP(now KPK) , Sindh and (United) Bengal....And as per certain Indian Liberal pages/sources, guess who were allies of League over there against Congress and Abdul Ghaffar Khan? Hindu extremist groups like RSS and Hindu Mahasabha......if these were foundations and materials from those days then what outcome can one expect? They say that even Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was never liked by senior leaders of Muslim League.

Its not about having one national language.. it would have been better to declare multiple national languages... because having urdu as national language actually divided the nation rather uniting them. I would say all 5 regional language should be declared as nation languages along with urdu being official government language (which is english btw, even today)

i personnally support smaller administrative units but only if we have a simple governmental structure.. now having 40+ provinces, all having local bodies, then provencial governments and cabinets, and governors is too much burden on the economy... its good to have small units with presidential system and lesser ministries (why textile is a separate ministry, why not just trade etc)

The issue with partition was that the muslims demanded separate country and that was also in favour of west (less for UK, more for US - Atlantic Charter) because congress was little more inclined towards russia, and having one stable country here who can stand with russia was not in favour of west (specially having china and japan in east as well) so they wanted to destablize the region and thats why they divided india and created problems for them to keep them busy fighting each others. Now after partition, jinah was surrounded by british loyalists such as ch zafrulla khan qadiani who was the biggest supporter of west and went for USA despite having first invitation from russia.. you can read a lot about him how he was rewarded by west for his services.

most of the islamic religious parties including JI, JUI and many more were against Pakistan and only modoodi had a vision, he was of the point that it will divide muslim majority into minority and will be harmful for indian muslims and thats was very legit opinion.. other mention is wali khan. he was against pakistan because pashtuns were never a part of india... brits managed to occupy some land of NWFP and that divided the pashtun tribes... so Durand Line has no importance for pashtuns because for them its just a line and nothing else... and thats pretty much the same story in all british/western colonies (just look at straight lines as boders between african countries). so he can also be justified.

problem was with first army chief as we inharitied army from brits, we had first 2 commander in chiefs who were british and they damaged Pakistan to an extent it can never stand again... first pakistan did not send its troops to help kashmiries when they were about to takeover srinagar, second we did not claim indian states of deccan,junagarh etc (a trap from UN for ceasefire to stop kashmiri fighters and not claiming hindu states because it would have damaged our stance on kashmir.. and we ended up with nothing). and third we were made dependant on US/west for all army needs...