atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
میں نے بتا دیا، ماننا نا ماننا آپ کی مرضی
غیر ضروری علم ؟
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Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It is unfortunate that some people on this forum, defending the namaz but, when you ask them how to perform namaz, they had no answer.
As I have said before that no one can prove the namaz from the Quran or a complete hadeeth on how to perform namaz from the beginning to end.
As I have said before that no one can prove the namaz from the Quran or a complete hadeeth on how to perform namaz from the beginning to end.
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Aap nay kuch nahi bataya
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
People of the last ummah try to prove that unauthorized man-made books of ahadith, for which Allah never gave His approval, are the 2nd source of Deen. The undeniable fact is that these unauthorized books have been declared as hadith of the Messenger (S) by ghairullah (imaams, sheiks, ulama).
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
میں نے نماز کا طریقہ بتایا ہے. آپ کو معلوم ہے تو آپ بتا دیں
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Mujhay maloom hota tu may aap say nahi pouchta.
jani1
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hey smart junky ignorant s....
just shut up.. ok ..shut up..
just admit u dont blv in Islam .. it will b easier for u..
u ignorant junk..
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
جو آپ کو بتایا ہے وہی نماز کا طریقہ ہے، اگر نہیں ہے تو آپ بتا دیں
jani1
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Wake up Pak
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Aik baat ka may aytaraf karoon ga kay jab bhi mayri aur aap key behas hui hay tameez kay daayray may reh kar hui hay. (waysay jawab abhi bhi nahi mila)
Ziada tar loog bad tameezi say baat kartay hain aur fatway gharnay lagtay hain. mayri koshish hoti hay kay unko ignore karoon laykin akhir may mujhay bhi unkey zaban may jawab dayna parta hay.
agar deene islam per theek se baat kerni hi hai to pehle aqlo ilm ko jaanen keh ye kia hen aur kaise haasil hote hen. in ka jaanana bunyaadi shart hai kisi bhi mozoo per baat ko theek tarah se khud samajhne aur doosrun ko samjhaane ke liye.
aap log khud apni pedaaish se le ker ab tak ki zindagi per ghor karen keh aap ne aqal kaise seekhi aur ilm kaise haasil kiya. aap ab tak kia samjhe keh aqal kia hoti hai aur ilm kia hota hai. jab tak aap log ye bunyaadi baaten theek tarah se nahin samajh lete aap kisi bhi baat ko theek tarah se samajhne ke qaabil hi nahin ho sakte.
is main ghabraane ki koi baat nahin hai balkeh jin bunyaadi baatun ke mutaliq aap ko ilm nahin hai un ko aap meri tehreerun main dekh len aap ko wahaan mil jaayen gi. ye bahot hi aham baaten hen agar aap khud theek tarah se aqal aur ilm seekhna chahte hen aur doosrun ko sikhaana chahte hen. ye hai musalmaanu ke liye asal kerne ka kaam.
To understand the quran properly knowing following is absolutely necessary.
1)to know something for sure one has to have essentials for doing so to begin with.
2)one needs to know what is direct learning about because this is the beginning or starting of human learning.
3)not everything can be learned about directly so it is essential to know about indirect learning as well.
4)it is vitally important to know where do the rules of judgement come from.
5)one needs to know how to pick and choose information properly for deciding a case or an issue.
6)to know what is human language and where it comes from is necessary.
7)to know where words came from and how they got their meanings is essential.
8)it is vitally important to know why and how use of language by God and humanity is very different.
Without knowing these like things properly none can properly understand anything at all let alone the quran.
1)sab se pehle ye baat achhi tarah se jaan len keh quraan bazaate khud dastooro qanoon nahin hai. agar quraan bazaate khud dastooro qanoon hota to hadis ki zaroorat na padti.
2)qurano hadis mil ker bhi bazaate khud dastooro qanoon nahin hen. agar aisa hota to phir qayaas aur ijma ki zaroorat hi na padti.
3)dastooro qanoon insaanu ne banaane hote hen quraan sirf aur sirf quidelines deta hai.
4)hadis aur taareekh ye bataate hen insaanu ne quraan aur haqaaiqe duniya ki roshni main kia kia dastooro qawaneen banaaye.
5)waqt guzerne ke saath saath insaanu ko hamesha dastooro qanoon main izaafe kerne padte hen kyunkeh insaanu ko aane waale waqtun ka ilm nahin hota aur nayee nayee cheezun ke baare main naye naye aghraazo maqaasid aur qawaneen ki zaroorat hamesha hi padti rehti hai.
6)lihaaza who sab log hi ghalat baaten kerte hen jo in baatun ke khilaaf baaten kerte hen. un ko ilm hi nahin hai keh dastooro qanoon hote kia hen yaa kaise banaaye jaate hen aur woh kaam kaise kerte hen. logoon ko to ye bhi maloom nahin hai keh aghraazo maqaasid aur qawaneen ka aapas main taaluq kia hota hai ya ye taaluq hota kyun hai. quraan ne insaanu ko bunyaadi aghraazo maqaasid diye hen aur kuchh qawaneen bhi. woh batore namoona diye hen ta keh insaanu ko dastooro qawaneen banaane main aasaani ho aur un ko waqt ke saath saath un main izaafe kerne main madad bhi mil sake.
7)logoon ka quraano hadis ko baat baat per quote kerna drust tareeqa nahin hai qurano hadis ko istemaal kerne ka is liye keh quraano hadis ko sirf aur sirf un ke drust sayaaqo sabaaq main hi quote kiya jaa sakta hai jo yahaan per kisi ko bhi maloom hi nahin hai. ghalat context main qurano hadis ko quote kerna khudaa ke haan sakht jurm hai keh isse khudaa ki zaat per ilzaam aata hai.
8)isi liye main logoon ko baar baar yaad dilaata rehta hun keh woh khud ko quraan aur deene islam se achhi tarah se aagah karen. is ke baghair agar baat ho gi to aksar ghalat hi ho gi. musalmaanu ke paas quraan per mabni koi dastooro qanoon mojood hi nahin hai. na hi in logoon ne kabhi aisa dastooro qanoon banaane ki zaroorat hi samjhi. yahee wajah hai aaj duniya main koi islami mumlikat mojood hi nahin hai. aaj hi nahin balkeh sadyun se musalmaan aise hi ji rahe hen. naam musalmaan rakha huwa hai aur kaam kaafirun ke kerte rahe hen aur kiye jaa rahe hen.
1)kisi bhi maamle main asal baat kisi shai ki bunyaad hai. hawa main baaten kerna ghalat baat hai.
2)yaad rakhen islam deen hai mazhab nahin hai. agar islam ko mazhab maanu ge to us ko deen nahin maan sakte aur agar deen maano ge to us to mazhab nahin maan sakte. ye dono baaten aapas main aik doosre ki zid hen.
3)agar islam deen hai to is ka dastooro qanoon hona laazmi amar hai. kahaan hai deene islam ka datooro qanoon?
4)dastoor kia hota hai ya kyun banaaya jaata hai ya is ki zaroorat kyun padti hai aur ye kaise banaaya jaa sakta hai ya banaaya jaana chahiye? qanoon kyun banaaya jaata hai aur is ki zaroorat kyun padti hai aur ye kaise banaaya jaa sakta hai ya banaaya jaana chahiye? qanoon ka dastoor se taaluq kia hota hai aur kyun hota hai?
5)logoon ko organise aur regulate hone ya kerne ki zaroorat kyun hoti hai ya padti hai? kis bunyaad per un ko organise aur regulate hona chahiye ya kerna chaiye?
6)jab tak log khud main itni bhi aqal peda nahin kerte ke baatun ko dhang se soch saken un ki sab ki sab baaten bekaar hen, is liye keh un ki koi bunyaad hai na maqsad. issi liye un ki baatun main tazadaat hi tazadaat paaye jaate hen. un main itni bhi aqal nahin hai woh dekh saken in tazadaat ko aur un se peda hone waale nataaij ko.For better understanding of what knowledge is and where it comes from see HERE. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.
aap log khud apni pedaaish se le ker ab tak ki zindagi per ghor karen keh aap ne aqal kaise seekhi aur ilm kaise haasil kiya. aap ab tak kia samjhe keh aqal kia hoti hai aur ilm kia hota hai. jab tak aap log ye bunyaadi baaten theek tarah se nahin samajh lete aap kisi bhi baat ko theek tarah se samajhne ke qaabil hi nahin ho sakte.
is main ghabraane ki koi baat nahin hai balkeh jin bunyaadi baatun ke mutaliq aap ko ilm nahin hai un ko aap meri tehreerun main dekh len aap ko wahaan mil jaayen gi. ye bahot hi aham baaten hen agar aap khud theek tarah se aqal aur ilm seekhna chahte hen aur doosrun ko sikhaana chahte hen. ye hai musalmaanu ke liye asal kerne ka kaam.
To understand the quran properly knowing following is absolutely necessary.
1)to know something for sure one has to have essentials for doing so to begin with.
2)one needs to know what is direct learning about because this is the beginning or starting of human learning.
3)not everything can be learned about directly so it is essential to know about indirect learning as well.
4)it is vitally important to know where do the rules of judgement come from.
5)one needs to know how to pick and choose information properly for deciding a case or an issue.
6)to know what is human language and where it comes from is necessary.
7)to know where words came from and how they got their meanings is essential.
8)it is vitally important to know why and how use of language by God and humanity is very different.
Without knowing these like things properly none can properly understand anything at all let alone the quran.
1)sab se pehle ye baat achhi tarah se jaan len keh quraan bazaate khud dastooro qanoon nahin hai. agar quraan bazaate khud dastooro qanoon hota to hadis ki zaroorat na padti.
2)qurano hadis mil ker bhi bazaate khud dastooro qanoon nahin hen. agar aisa hota to phir qayaas aur ijma ki zaroorat hi na padti.
3)dastooro qanoon insaanu ne banaane hote hen quraan sirf aur sirf quidelines deta hai.
4)hadis aur taareekh ye bataate hen insaanu ne quraan aur haqaaiqe duniya ki roshni main kia kia dastooro qawaneen banaaye.
5)waqt guzerne ke saath saath insaanu ko hamesha dastooro qanoon main izaafe kerne padte hen kyunkeh insaanu ko aane waale waqtun ka ilm nahin hota aur nayee nayee cheezun ke baare main naye naye aghraazo maqaasid aur qawaneen ki zaroorat hamesha hi padti rehti hai.
6)lihaaza who sab log hi ghalat baaten kerte hen jo in baatun ke khilaaf baaten kerte hen. un ko ilm hi nahin hai keh dastooro qanoon hote kia hen yaa kaise banaaye jaate hen aur woh kaam kaise kerte hen. logoon ko to ye bhi maloom nahin hai keh aghraazo maqaasid aur qawaneen ka aapas main taaluq kia hota hai ya ye taaluq hota kyun hai. quraan ne insaanu ko bunyaadi aghraazo maqaasid diye hen aur kuchh qawaneen bhi. woh batore namoona diye hen ta keh insaanu ko dastooro qawaneen banaane main aasaani ho aur un ko waqt ke saath saath un main izaafe kerne main madad bhi mil sake.
7)logoon ka quraano hadis ko baat baat per quote kerna drust tareeqa nahin hai qurano hadis ko istemaal kerne ka is liye keh quraano hadis ko sirf aur sirf un ke drust sayaaqo sabaaq main hi quote kiya jaa sakta hai jo yahaan per kisi ko bhi maloom hi nahin hai. ghalat context main qurano hadis ko quote kerna khudaa ke haan sakht jurm hai keh isse khudaa ki zaat per ilzaam aata hai.
8)isi liye main logoon ko baar baar yaad dilaata rehta hun keh woh khud ko quraan aur deene islam se achhi tarah se aagah karen. is ke baghair agar baat ho gi to aksar ghalat hi ho gi. musalmaanu ke paas quraan per mabni koi dastooro qanoon mojood hi nahin hai. na hi in logoon ne kabhi aisa dastooro qanoon banaane ki zaroorat hi samjhi. yahee wajah hai aaj duniya main koi islami mumlikat mojood hi nahin hai. aaj hi nahin balkeh sadyun se musalmaan aise hi ji rahe hen. naam musalmaan rakha huwa hai aur kaam kaafirun ke kerte rahe hen aur kiye jaa rahe hen.
1)kisi bhi maamle main asal baat kisi shai ki bunyaad hai. hawa main baaten kerna ghalat baat hai.
2)yaad rakhen islam deen hai mazhab nahin hai. agar islam ko mazhab maanu ge to us ko deen nahin maan sakte aur agar deen maano ge to us to mazhab nahin maan sakte. ye dono baaten aapas main aik doosre ki zid hen.
3)agar islam deen hai to is ka dastooro qanoon hona laazmi amar hai. kahaan hai deene islam ka datooro qanoon?
4)dastoor kia hota hai ya kyun banaaya jaata hai ya is ki zaroorat kyun padti hai aur ye kaise banaaya jaa sakta hai ya banaaya jaana chahiye? qanoon kyun banaaya jaata hai aur is ki zaroorat kyun padti hai aur ye kaise banaaya jaa sakta hai ya banaaya jaana chahiye? qanoon ka dastoor se taaluq kia hota hai aur kyun hota hai?
5)logoon ko organise aur regulate hone ya kerne ki zaroorat kyun hoti hai ya padti hai? kis bunyaad per un ko organise aur regulate hona chahiye ya kerna chaiye?
6)jab tak log khud main itni bhi aqal peda nahin kerte ke baatun ko dhang se soch saken un ki sab ki sab baaten bekaar hen, is liye keh un ki koi bunyaad hai na maqsad. issi liye un ki baatun main tazadaat hi tazadaat paaye jaate hen. un main itni bhi aqal nahin hai woh dekh saken in tazadaat ko aur un se peda hone waale nataaij ko.For better understanding of what knowledge is and where it comes from see HERE. For better understanding of deen of islam from the quran see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.
quraan logoon ko mushtarik bunyaad per jama hone ki dawat deta hai. aap log logoon ko apni apni bebunyaad baatun per jama hone ki dawat de rahe hen. zara sochen aap log kis qadar ghalat kaam ker rahe hen?
issi liye sawaal peda hota hai aakhir insaanu main mushtarik bunyaad hai kia ya kia ho sakti hai? ye insaanu ka aql aur ilm hai. yahee do baaten bataati hen kia theek hai ya theek ho sakta hai aur kia ghalat hai ya ghalat ho sakta hai.
issi liye jin logoon ki bunyaad aqlo ilm nahin hai woh kabhi bhi quraan ko theek tarah se samajh hi nahin sakte.
agar insaanu ke darmiyaan aqlo ilm ki bunyaadi ehmiyat na hoti to khudaa kabhi bhi insaanu ko ghoro fiker ki dawat na deta.
jo bacha pehli jamaat ka saqab nahin samajhta woh doosri jamaat ka sabaq kaise samjhe ga? primary education ho gi to middle paas kerne ke qaabil ho ga. aisa to ho hi nahin sakta keh aap bache ko phd ki baaten samjhaa den jo kabhi school hi nahin gayaa ho. lihaaza apne apne anjaanpan aur apni apni jahaalat ka sadde baab karen warna aap ki khair nahin hai.
issi liye sawaal peda hota hai aakhir insaanu main mushtarik bunyaad hai kia ya kia ho sakti hai? ye insaanu ka aql aur ilm hai. yahee do baaten bataati hen kia theek hai ya theek ho sakta hai aur kia ghalat hai ya ghalat ho sakta hai.
issi liye jin logoon ki bunyaad aqlo ilm nahin hai woh kabhi bhi quraan ko theek tarah se samajh hi nahin sakte.
agar insaanu ke darmiyaan aqlo ilm ki bunyaadi ehmiyat na hoti to khudaa kabhi bhi insaanu ko ghoro fiker ki dawat na deta.
jo bacha pehli jamaat ka saqab nahin samajhta woh doosri jamaat ka sabaq kaise samjhe ga? primary education ho gi to middle paas kerne ke qaabil ho ga. aisa to ho hi nahin sakta keh aap bache ko phd ki baaten samjhaa den jo kabhi school hi nahin gayaa ho. lihaaza apne apne anjaanpan aur apni apni jahaalat ka sadde baab karen warna aap ki khair nahin hai.
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atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
میں نے جواب دے دیا ہے. اگر آپ کو جواب معلوم ہے تو بتا دیں
azeezam atensari sb, mere nazdeek aqlo ilm ki roshni main sire hi se asal behs ye hai hi nahin keh namaaz padhni chahiye ya nahin ya roza rakhna chahiye ya nahin waghera waghera. asal behs ye hai keh kia islam aik mazhab hai ya ho sakta hai? agar islam mazhab saabit ho jaaye to ye deen nahin ho sakta aur agar deen saabit ho jaaye to ye mazhab nahin ho sakta.
lihaaza flaan mazhabi aqeeda ya amal drust hai ya nahin aisi baatun ki koi ehmiyato hesiyat nahin hai. bil farze muhaal agar islam mazhab saabit ho jaaye to phir ye khudaa ki taraf se ho hi nahin sakta. kyun nahin ho sakta is per aage chal ker behs ho gi lihaaza islam ko mazhab ka naam dena bilkul ghalat baat hai. khud khudaa ne bhi islam ke liye sirf aur sirf deen ka naam istemaal kiya hai. mazhab ka lafz quraan main sire se hai hi nahin. kia ye ajeeb baat nahin hai keh khud khudaa hi quraan main mazhab ka lafz istemaal kerna bhool gayaa islam ke liye?
lihaaza sab ke sab mazhabi aqeede aur amaal ghalat hen aur khudaa ki taraf un ki nisbat khudaa per jhoot aur bohtaan baandhne waali baat hai. is liye logoon ko jo khud ko musalmaan kehlwaate hen aisi baatun se baaz rehna chahiye aur baaz aana chahiye warna tabahi aur barbaadi hi aise logoon ka muqadar hai jo ho bhi rahee hai aur hoti rahee hai aur aainda bhi hoti hi rahe gi jab tak aise log mazhab se toba nahin karen ge aur asal deene islam ko nahin apnaayen ge.
lihaaza asal behs hi ye hai keh islam mazhab hai ya nahin? is liye aik aik juz per alag alag baat kerne ki zaroorat hi nahin rehti balkeh isse to sirf aur sirf waqt hi barbaad hota hai.
khudaa ne insaanu ko apni taraf se sirf aur sirf deen diya hai mazhab nahin aur us deen ka naam islam rakha hai. phir ye keh mazhab ke apne maqaasid hote hen aur deen ke apne aur un maqaasid ko poora kerne ke raaste bhi alag alag hote hen deeno mazhab ke. agar mazhab ke maqaasid poore kiye jaayen ge to deen ke maqaasid poore nahin kiye jaa saken ge aur agar deen ke maqaasid poore kiye jaayen ge to mazhabi maqaasid poore nahin kiye jaa sakte.
yahaan per bunyaadi tor per sirf aur sirf do hi mumkinaat hen. aik ye keh islam mazhab hai aur doosra ye keh islam deen hai.
aap islam ko bunyaadi tor per mazhab hi samajhte hen aur main islam ko bunyaadi tor per deen hi samajhta hun. yahee wajah hai keh aap samajhte hen keh khudaa ne ye duniya mazhab ke liye banayee hai aur main samajhta hun keh ye duniya khudaa ne deen ke liye banyee hai.
lihaaza aap ka kaam hai islam ko mazhab saabit kerne ke liye aap apne dalaail den aur mera kaam hai un dalaail ko ghalat aur bebunyaad saabit kerna. mera kaam hai islam ko deen saabit kerne ke liye aap ke saamen dalaail rakhna aur aap ka kaam hai un dalaail ko ghalat aur bebunyaad saabit kerna. dono main se jo apna dawaa saabit ker de ga ussi ki baat drust ho gi.
lihaaza aap bataayen khudaa ye duniya peda ker ke haasil kia kerna chahta tha yani us ka maqsad kia tha is duniya ko peda kerne ke liye? us maqsad ko haasil kerne ke liye khudaa ne kia raasta bataaya hai insaanu ko aur kia woh maqsad aur woh raasta drust hen ya ho sakte hen ya kaise ho sakte hen?
mazeed baat aap ka jawaab aane ke baad ho gi.
meanwhile regards and all the best.
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