Minister (2k+ posts)
In 2008, the ADFM published the results of their second study that confirmed this wideNeither did you cite any research nor did you go through a single one of those I referred earlier. A reasonable and syllogistic approach is to substantiate your claim with evidence and also to evaluate the counter claim as well.
By the way, I have gone through this article you referred. It is only a place where they have been able to get the outfits of only 18 of the rape victims at the time they got raped.
Though, you have clearly ignored the opening lines of my thread here:
Therefore, I am afraid that you are grossly off the mark from the main theme of the discussion over here. You have constantly failed to appraise the main argument of the thread and that is why I have to dismiss your (I hate to use the word) "ramble" as irrelevant and totally drenched in an overwhelming ardor of feminism. However, we are trying to strike a balance between the two extremes of Chauvinism and Feminism.
I must say that you have been blindly vocal about your ideals, rather than being clear about your proposition.
spread belief. Nearly one-third (33%) of the male interviewees consider sexual harassment as ‘normal’ behaviour and half of them believe that women enjoy being sexually harassed on the street. While men elevate it to the status of a ‘compliment’ to women’s beauty, an astonishing 35% of the interviewed women trivialise the scope of sexual harassment on the streets by dismissing it as inconsequential acts of ‘insolence’ (bsala or dsara in Moroccan Arabic).
Most surveyed men confessed to harassing women not because their dress is provocative, but to satisfy ‘repressed sexual desires’ or because harassment ‘makes them feel masculine’ or as many said, simply because ‘they are accustomed to harassing women since they were young.’
As Chebbak rightly observes, every woman is harassed ‘every time she goes out regardless of her age, shape, colour, ethnicity, background . . . and no matter what she wears, even if she puts on potato bags’ (2013).
the above lines are excerpts from a research paper about sexual harassment in North Africa https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13629387.2013.858034
Why have you just picked 2017-18 and ignored the rest of years cited?The very survey you posted here also exhibits a trend that when Governments controlled clothing, the rate of harassment crimes came down.
You can clearly see the correlation between the data of 2017 and 2018.
As govt restrictions went up in 2014-17, why did social hostilities also up in that period?
Or when restrictions went down in 2013-14, so did social hostility?
What about the overall trend between 2013-18 as govt restrictions have increased then on average social hostilities have also increased slightly if not remained the same?
be VERY careful before trying to imply correlation = causation!
You can link that to hostility towards religious minorities, Islamophobia, anti-immigrant trends etc which is absolutely a serious issue in the West, and thankfully many activists & researchers have vocally talked about it, studied it, and want wider society to stop harassing women based on what they wear (which, if you did not guess by now, is also my original point and remains the same be it for Pakistan or some Gora country)Most of the harassment was in the European Countries over the attire of women being too religious.
Can you try to explain that? where you say that the West, with all its problems is still better? Why would they harass someone for not showing enough skin?
MEN ARE NOT THE VICTIMS HERE!Please do not try to dodge the question. Men will lower their gaze if they do not find something to stare upon. Bad men will be bad men, but what about good men who are lured and tempted by the bare skin they see on the streets? They are not robots..... they have an anatomy which is instigated by such stimuli.
We demand punishment for the bad men who cross the limits, but we also want women to remain within their limits too.
Clearly address the question here Sir.... even if men lower their gaze, would women be allowed to wear whatever they want and show their bodies provocatively?
This might happen on the moon. However, on earth, things are put on display just to attract their customers. Simple psychology.
A hungry man will be always attracted to the sight and smell of food, no matter how religious or irreligious he is.
Men should use control over self, but does that give women the license to keep testing their limits?
Again, in the Pakistani context, apart from the ultra top 1% of rich affluent Pakistanis who have a way different lifestyle compared the remaining 90-odd percent of Pakistanis, the overwhelming majority women in public wear 'socially acceptable' shalwar kameez with dupatta. many wear hijab, many wear abayas and niqabs too.
But almost ALL of these women will complain of being stared at, leered, teased, harassed, and in many cases assaulted REGARDLESS of what they wore in public and despite keeping within the wider social norms.
Something tells me that what they wear even after following the wider social norms, they still have a far more tough time on average compared to men in our part of the world.
Bikinis, short skirts, tank tops etc. had nothing to do with it nor are they worn by overwhelmingly most women in public in Pakistan. I am indifferent to what Pakistani women want to wear because its none of my business and neither it should any other's, and I fully expect the overwhelming numbers to still follow the social norms rather than going mini-skirts etc. Maybe we should trust women on what they want to wear?
The lived experiences of women in Pakistani public is far more different than those of men in Pakistani public.
Men have the power, and with great power comes great responsibility (esp. with the whole 'temptation' thingy you are constantly rambling about).