الطاف بھائی کی انڈیا میں تقریر پر اعتراض ک&#15

[MANNO]

Stop promoting his non sense! Altaf Hussain doesnt even deserve to be discussed especially after watching his rubbish speech! Such traitor and losers are found in every nation they must get hanged in public to teach a lesson!

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Like any other person, you also need a boggy man and your boggyman is Mullah.Akber, when he was ruling hindustan he had a hindu wife side by side with muslim wife. I do not know if you ever believe that Pakistan was created for muslims( no matter where they were) strongly or it is just another trick which is played by your Pir of London Sharif every once in a while.I do not need to discuss this with you since I know what you and other like you think of Pakistan.You can play around with words, you can blame Mullah, jamaities and others for making Pakistan a monopoly, the final word is Pakistan was not created to become another India.It was not created for the Army and its dictators and it was not created for the Fugutives who run away from it and play long distance politics.It was also not created that its leader can go back to India and apologize to Hindus for its creation.

 

[YAHYA87]

Like any other person, you also need a boggy man and your boggyman is Mullah.Akber, when he was ruling hindustan he had a hindu wife side by side with muslim wife. I do not know if you ever believe that Pakistan was created for muslims( no matter where they were) strongly or it is just another trick which is played by your Pir of London Sharif every once in a while.I do not need to discuss this with you since I know what you and other like you think of Pakistan.You can play around with words, you can blame Mullah, jamaities and others for making Pakistan a monopoly, the final word is Pakistan was not created to become another India.It was not created for the Army and its dictators and it was not created for the Fugutives who run away from it and play long distance politics.It was also not created that its leader can go back to India and apologize to Hindus for its creation.

Is your post pointed towards me because I have replied to your post regarding MQM on the last page???

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

It is obviously you who needs a boggyman.

 

[mehwish_ali]

ایک چیز اور

by GeoG:
One more thing, get your freakin fact right, borders were closed from Indian side not Pakistan, Pakistan closed the border only after 1948 war, yeh spin doctori na Karo, people know the facts here.

یہ عجیب استدلال ہے کہ آپ نے خود اپنے ہاتھوں سے دو قومی نظریے کا خون کر دیا کیونکہ انڈیا نے اپنی طرف کے باڈر بند کر دیے تھے؟

اور 1948 میں اگر آپ نے جنگ کی وجہ سے پھر اپنے بارڈر انڈیا کے ان مسلمانوں پر بند کر دیے جو کہ آہستہ آہستہ بندوبست کر کے خاندانوں کے ساتھ پاکستان منتقل ہو رہے تھے۔ تو یہ پھر سے آپ کی اپنی طرف سے دو قومی نظریہ کا قتل تھا۔

اور پھر 1948 سے لیکر آج تک آپ خود مسلسل دو قومی نظریے کا خون کرتے آ رہے ہیں اور کسی انڈین مسلمان کو پاکستانی ماننے سے منکر ہیں، اسے قبول کرنے سے منکر ہیں۔

آپ کا استدلال اب چاہے کچھ بھی ہو، مگر یہ دو قومی نظریہ اس طرز عمل کے بعد ڈوب رہا ہے۔ اگر پاکستان کے پاس وسائل ہی نہ تھے کہ انڈیا کے ان کڑوڑوں مسلمانوں کا بوجھ اٹھا سکے تو پھر پاکستان کا قیام ایک بہت بڑی سیاسی غلطی تھا جس کا خمیازہ ہندوؤں نے نہیں بھگتا اور نہ کوئی ہندو خون کی تقسیم ہوئی، بلکہ یہ کڑوڑوں مسلمان تھے جن کے خون کی تقسیم ہوئی اور وہ ایک دوسرے سے جدا ہوئے۔
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[mehwish_ali]

Like any other person, you also need a boggy man and your boggyman is Mullah.Akber, when he was ruling hindustan he had a hindu wife side by side with muslim wife. I do not know if you ever believe that Pakistan was created for muslims( no matter where they were) strongly or it is just another trick which is played by your Pir of London Sharif every once in a while.I do not need to discuss this with you since I know what you and other like you think of Pakistan.You can play around with words, you can blame Mullah, jamaities and others for making Pakistan a monopoly, the final word is Pakistan was not created to become another India.It was not created for the Army and its dictators and it was not created for the Fugutives who run away from it and play long distance politics.It was also not created that its leader can go back to India and apologize to Hindus for its creation.

جب بھی میں نے نظر اٹھائی تو مجھے ملا صدا کا دوغلا ہی نظر آیا۔

یہی ملا تھا جو کہ قیام پاکستان کی مخالفت کر رہا تھا، اسے غلطی بیان کر رہا تھا، اور یہ کانگرس کے پلیٹ فارم پر چڑھ کر بڑھ بڑھ کر بیان داغ رہا تھا، اور جو کانگرس کے ساتھ نہ تھا وہ قائد اعظم پر کفر کے فتوے لگا رہا تھا۔

اور جب پاکستان بن گیا تو اب یہی مُلا خود کو سب سے بڑا پاکستانی بن کر دوسروں پر پاکستان اور اسلام کا غدار ہونے کے فتوے لگا کر فساد پھیلانے لگا۔

علامہ نے ایسے ہی ان کی اس فسادی فطرت کی نشاندہی نہیں کی تھی کہ:

دین ملا فی سبیل اللہ فساد


آج یہی منور حسن بڑھ بڑھ کر اس تقریر پر الزامات کی بارش کر رہا ہے، مگر یہ اسکے اپنے بزرگ تھے جو قیام پاکستان کے مخالف تھے اور اسے غلطی گردانتے تھے۔ یہ ہے ملا کا دوغلا پن اور فساد۔​

 

[YAHYA87]

Like any other person, you also need a boggy man and your boggyman is Mullah.Akber, when he was ruling hindustan he had a hindu wife side by side with muslim wife. I do not know if you ever believe that Pakistan was created for muslims( no matter where they were) strongly or it is just another trick which is played by your Pir of London Sharif every once in a while.I do not need to discuss this with you since I know what you and other like you think of Pakistan.You can play around with words, you can blame Mullah, jamaities and others for making Pakistan a monopoly, the final word is Pakistan was not created to become another India.It was not created for the Army and its dictators and it was not created for the Fugutives who run away from it and play long distance politics.It was also not created that its leader can go back to India and apologize to Hindus for its creation.

Here we go now you came to another subject as what Akber was I dont care about...He did got his Hindu and a Muslim wife but thats his personal problem not public or administrative issue and a person is allowed a personal live in Islam dont you think???and about his hindu wife and deen-e-Illahi thing then let the Allah almighty be the judge of what he did as he was responsible for his actions not others...I dont know how you end up with this thought that I would ever need him???I dont need him because I dont live in United India and because his era was gone centuries ago along with problems and solutions of his empire are all burned or buried after his death and this is 21th century not 13-14th century alot has changed now so stick to 21st century instead of talking about someone who was here in 13-14th century...

Pakistan wasnt made for Mullah I agree with you but did Quaid-e-Azam ever thought that military dictators will going to take over pakistan or their leaders would have to leave Pakistan due to threat to their lives???did he ever thought that his sister would be defeated by a Military dictator and Muslim League which was his party would become a servants of dictator???Did Quaid-e-Azam ever thought that the once who supported the Pakistan movement the most(Bangalis) would be saparated and make their own country???did Quaid-e-Azam ever thought that the supporter of her sister Sheikh Mujeeb would become a separatist of Pakistan???Do you know that at the time of creation of Pakistan only Sindh was the province which accepted the creation of pakistan and do you know that Muslim League wasnt even able to won many seats in Punjab in last ever election held in United India???Even Khudai Khidmatgar tehrik was in Govt. in NWFP in 1947...So except one province no other province were enthusiastic about pakistan as Indian Muslims and Bagladeshis...They were the overwhelming supporters of this movement...Now what did they got in return ever thought???till 1965 even migration was stopped by Ayub Khan...Do you know about the history today PML(A-Z)???neither they are real Muslim League which gave us Pakistan nor their supporters as the real supporters of Muslim League were Bangalis and Indian Muslims while in Punjab their was a Socialist movement which was popular in 1947 and till 1960s when Fatima Jinnah contested election her support base was non other then Lalu Khet where Ayub Khan's son did violence in his post victory celebration and what a coincident that MQM support was actually emerged from Lalu Khet as well and even today Lalu Khet is considered MQM's strongest area...So before saying things you should first check out the groud reality of all that because almost all the people who played their role for Pakistan have already turned against Pakistan to give you an example GM Syed, most of Awaami League was also consist of many Quaid-e-Azam's supporters when it was formed, Urdu and Gujrati speaking they all were loyals of this movement but now they arent...Today those Mullahs have become loyal to Pakistan ever thought what ere their role during pakistan movement???they called Quaid-e-Azam "Kafir-e-Azam" but now they becomes champions of Pakistan and Thakadaars of Islam and Pakistan...Did Quaid-e-Azam ever thought about all that???What ever he thought didnt came true but it can come true because its not to late we already have Pakistan but we dont want to make it true only because of influence and nothing else....

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

The Aker era has to be mentioned since he was a Muslim and what he was preaching to the rest of his nation was how the two seperate religions can live together under his Deen e Illahi. It was not his personl issue he implemented this system within Hindustan both on Muslims and Hindus.
You can ask these questions to those who supported Dictators ( Including MQM) in the history of Pakistan.It is always your logic that whenever the question rose about MQM , they turned around and finger pointed to others and mention their past actions and somehow justify their actions since other are alos doing it. In the history of Pakistan, how many years these mullah ruled Pakistan ? Did the Pakistani people ever elected them in Majority ? In the history, majority fo the times, Army ruled Pakistan and then rest of the time either PPP, ML, other regional parties including MQM took part in power sharing. When these Mullah never gather enough votes to enforce their agenda, how come you still blame them for everything which is wrong with this society.You should be asking these questions to those who stayed in power and still sharing power with present Governments.

 

[Jury]

The Aker era has to be mentioned since he was a Muslim and what he was preaching to the rest of his nation was how the two seperate religions can live together under his Deen e Illahi. It was not his personl issue he implemented this system within Hindustan both on Muslims and Hindus.
You can ask these questions to those who supported Dictators ( Including MQM) in the history of Pakistan.It is always your logic that whenever the question rose about MQM , they turned around and finger pointed to others and mention their past actions and somehow justify their actions since other are alos doing it. In the history of Pakistan, how many years these mullah ruled Pakistan ? Did the Pakistani people ever elected them in Majority ? In the history, majority fo the times, Army ruled Pakistan and then rest of the time either PPP, ML, other regional parties including MQM took part in power sharing. When these Mullah never gather enough votes to enforce their agenda, how come you still blame them for everything which is wrong with this society.You should be asking these questions to those who stayed in power and still sharing power with present Governments.

Q) Who supported Musharraf in Referendum?
A) Imran Khan.

Q) Who was in Zia's Cabinet?
A) Jamaat-e-Islami.

Q) Who took part in local bodies election in 2001, when constitution was suspended?
A) Almost all the political parties.

Q) Who boycotted the local bodies election of 2001?
A) MQM, because constitution was suspended. When SC gave verdict that, Musharraf act was legitimate on 12th October, 1999. And also said, it was permitted in Islam. Then MQM took part in NA/PA election.

 

[rajakhanmd]

One of the problems with us is that all of us believe our leaders are MASOOM from any KhATA.. And whatever our respective leaders say or have said, its is mandatory for us to support that and protect them and their statements through all the logic that can be introduced by any means. Everyone amongst us, irrespective of our political parties and affiliations, suffer from this phenomenon of '' SameeNA wa Atanaa''. May GOD Almighty help us.

As far as the use of logic is concerned, by all of us to be the devils advocate, I quote the following verse.

'' Subh e azal yeh mujh say kaha Jibreel nay
Jo aqal ka ghulam ho wo dil na ker quboo.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

جب بھی میں نے نظر اٹھائی تو مجھے ملا صدا کا دوغلا ہی نظر آیا۔

یہی ملا تھا جو کہ قیام پاکستان کی مخالفت کر رہا تھا، اسے غلطی بیان کر رہا تھا، اور یہ کانگرس کے پلیٹ فارم پر چڑھ کر بڑھ بڑھ کر بیان داغ رہا تھا، اور جو کانگرس کے ساتھ نہ تھا وہ قائد اعظم پر کفر کے فتوے لگا رہا تھا۔

اور جب پاکستان بن گیا تو اب یہی مُلا خود کو سب سے بڑا پاکستانی بن کر دوسروں پر پاکستان اور اسلام کا غدار ہونے کے فتوے لگا کر فساد پھیلانے لگا۔

علامہ نے ایسے ہی ان کی اس فسادی فطرت کی نشاندہی نہیں کی تھی کہ:

دین ملا فی سبیل اللہ فساد


آج یہی منور حسن بڑھ بڑھ کر اس تقریر پر الزامات کی بارش کر رہا ہے، مگر یہ اسکے اپنے بزرگ تھے جو قیام پاکستان کے مخالف تھے اور اسے غلطی گردانتے تھے۔ یہ ہے ملا کا دوغلا پن اور فساد۔​

محترمہ اگر آپ کی جنگ ملا سے ھے تو آپ اپنا يہ شوق ضرود پورا کريں مگر اس ملا دشمنی کی آڑ ميں پاکستان کی نظرياتی بنيادوں پر حملہ نہ کريں۔آپ قاۃد اعظم کو کافر اعظم کہنے والوں کو تو معاف کرنے کيليے تيار نہيں مگر پاکستان کو ايک بڑی غلطی اور اس پر ہندوں سے معافی مانگنے والے کے تو تلوے بھی چاٹنے پر تيار دکھائ ديتی ہيں۔يہ تضاد آپ کی فطرت ميں شامل ھے يا مصنوعی پيوند کاری کی گئ ھے ؟

 

[ALI ARYAN]

Pakistan Toranay ki bat Pakistan main Aksar Siyasattdan kartay rehtay hain. Awani National Party ke Aksar Siyasatdan on the floor Quaid e Azam Muhammad ALi Jinnah Sahib ke baray main kharafat ada kar chukay hain. Paksitan Peoples Party ke aksar sindh ki satah ke siysatdan Pakistan Na khapay ke Nara laga chukay hain. Balochistan ka zikar kia karna wahan to nobat yahan tak aa chuki hai ke aksar sarkari mulazmeen jin ka balochistan se taluq nahin ne apnay tabadlay ki darkhuasten pesh kar rakhi hain, or hal hi main ek Jamiya ki Professor sahiba ko target kill kia gaya hai. Reh gaya Panjab to us main bhi Saraiki Belt ke andar Lava Pak raha hai. Nawaz Shareef Sahab Jaag Panjabi Jaag ka nara laga kar elections main Hamdardyan samait chukay hain. Per Tasub ki ainak ke peechay se sirf Mutahida or Altaf Hussain hi nazar aatay hain or inhi ka charcha hota hai.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

Pakistan Toranay ki bat Pakistan main Aksar Siyasattdan kartay rehtay hain. Awani National Party ke Aksar Siyasatdan on the floor Quaid e Azam Muhammad ALi Jinnah Sahib ke baray main kharafat ada kar chukay hain. Paksitan Peoples Party ke aksar sindh ki satah ke siysatdan Pakistan Na khapay ke Nara laga chukay hain. Balochistan ka zikar kia karna wahan to nobat yahan tak aa chuki hai ke aksar sarkari mulazmeen jin ka balochistan se taluq nahin ne apnay tabadlay ki darkhuasten pesh kar rakhi hain, or hal hi main ek Jamiya ki Professor sahiba ko target kill kia gaya hai. Reh gaya Panjab to us main bhi Saraiki Belt ke andar Lava Pak raha hai. Nawaz Shareef Sahab Jaag Panjabi Jaag ka nara laga kar elections main Hamdardyan samait chukay hain. Per Tasub ki ainak ke peechay se sirf Mutahida or Altaf Hussain hi nazar aatay hain or inhi ka charcha hota hai.

None of those above politicians went to india and apologized to Hindus for the creation of Pakistan except Altaf .You do not go abroad and wash your dirty laundry in front of your known enemy. It is absloutely not acceptable. For you may be perhaps it is just another shot and slogan like the rest of the politicians, which you guys more than often present as an excuse for your own actions. if you feel proud about it, so be it but don't present others actions as an excuse for your moranic speech.

 

[GeoG]

اگر عمران خان، اسکی پوری پارٹی اور آپ لوگ اتنے ہی نااہل ہیں کہ ایک ویڈیو کو بھی بنا کر آنلائن نہ کر سکیں تو پھر آپ پاکستان کو کیا چلائیں گے۔


It is not difficult to pick a few words from Altaf Hussain that Division of Hindustan was a blunder meaning creation of Pakistan was a blunder, play it ten times in one minute video
But

Hum Tumharay Jaisay Baighrat Nahi



اور الطاف حسین کی پوری تقریر صرف اس ایک جملے پر مشتمل نہیں تھی بلکہ یہ تو صرف وہ حصہ ہے تو تراش خراش کر عمران خان نے ہوشیاری کے ساتھ پوری تقریر سے نکالا تھا تاکہ وہ اپنے جھوٹے الزام کو پاؤں پر کھڑا کر سکے کہ الطاف حسین نے پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کی ہے۔

مگر جھوٹ کبھی چل نہیں سکتا اور واپس آ کر جھوٹ بولنے والا کا ہی منہ کالا کرتا ہے۔ الطاف حسین نے اپنی تقریر میں کہیں بھی پاکستان توڑنے کی بات نہیں کی ہے بلکہ پاکستان کے قیام و دائم رہنے کی بات ہندو ریاست میں اُن کے سامنے کی ہے کہ پاکستان اب ایک حقیقت ہے جسے تسلیم کر کے اس خطے کی عوام کے مسائل کے حل کرنا چاہیے۔

مگر جھوٹے بہتان تراشوں نے تقریر کا یہ حصہ نکال کر کہ تقسیم ہند (جو کہ اصل میں خونِ مسلمانانَ ہند تھی اور ہندووں سے کہیں گنا زیادہ نقصان مسلمانوں کو اٹھانا پڑا) ایک غلطی تھی، اس پر بہتان باندھ دیا کہ الطاف حسین پاکستان توڑنے کی بات کر رہا ہے۔

اس طرح بات کو سیاق و سباق سے نکال کر تو اسلام مخالف لوگوں نے قرآن پاک کو بھی ظالم و جابر کتاب ثابت کرنے کی ناپاک کوششیں کی ہیں اور یہ سب کچھ قابل شرم بات ہے۔




محترم، گستاخی معاف مگر آپ کا یہ اندھا انصاف ہمیں قبول نہیں کہ جس میں جب جی چاہتا ہے تو دو قومی نظریہ کے نام پر اسلام اور مسلمانان ہند کے حقوق کی آواز اٹھائے جانے لگتی ہے، اور جب جی چاہتا تو مسلمانانِ ہند کو دودھ میں سے مکھی طرح نکال کر باہر پھینک دیا جاتا ہے۔ یہ دوغلا انصاف آپ کو ہی مبارک۔ ہمیں آپ معاف رکھئیے۔

 

[rahat]

The Indian Muslims who were sincere with the creation of Pakistan migrated to Pakistan without taking anything with them. The complete migration in Punjab and Bangal is enough to prove their strong believe of Pakistan for Muslims. while most of the urdu speaking peoples stayed in India due to their lack of believe on Pakistan. They started migration after selling their properties and getting fake claims / degree to get benefit in Pakistan.
The population of this segement of peoples in karachi till 1952 is ample to prove this.

 

[GeoG]

The Indian Muslims who were sincere with the creation of Pakistan migrated to Pakistan without taking anything with them. The complete migration in Punjab and Bangal is enough to prove their strong believe of Pakistan for Muslims. while most of the urdu speaking peoples stayed in India due to their lack of believe on Pakistan. They started migration after selling their properties and getting fake claims / degree to get benefit in Pakistan.
The population of this segement of peoples in karachi till 1952 is ample to prove this.

There are bad apples in every society so it would not be fair to say only migrants to Karachi are culprits.
Migrating Muslims could not sell their belongings at fraction of the fair value as Banya knew that he could it for free so why pay anything. Well to do families and Nawabs came empty handed for the Love of Pakistan and a better life.
We have miserably failed due the corrupt leadership and military intervention in our political system but on one has a right to go to our enemy and say we had made a mistake, forgive us. These kind of politicians should be hanged in front of Supreme Court Building to establish rule of law.

 

[gazoomartian]

الطاف حسین صاحب نے انڈیا میں تقریر کرتے ہوئے پاکستان کے قیام کو
Division of Blood
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dear mehwish, Ah ka peecha chor do woh mulk key lyey acchey naheen hain. he has some good and kaaramad people but himself is a useless person.... Mr Blunder that is lol​

 

[gazoomartian]

There are bad apples in every society so it would not be fair to say only migrants to Karachi are culprits.
Migrating Muslims could not sell their belongings at fraction of the fair value as Banya knew that he could it for free so why pay anything. Well to do families and Nawabs came empty handed for the Love of Pakistan and a better life.
We have miserably failed due the corrupt leadership and military intervention in our political system but on one has a right to go to our enemy and say we had made a mistake, forgive us. These kind of politicians should be hanged in front of Supreme Court Building to establish rule of law.

JUST FYI

ZABhutto received $400 mill from Saudia for resettling pakistanis from bangladesh. He spent on something else

 

[gazoomartian]

JUST FYI

ZABhutto received $400 mill from Saudia for resettling pakistanis from bangladesh. He spent on something else

this siasat software is screwed up, quotes are not separated any longer in a green box, so hard to tell apart. someone is playing with programs

 

[shuja123]

dear mehwish, Ah ka peecha chor do woh mulk key lyey acchey naheen hain. he has some good and kaaramad people but himself is a useless person.... Mr Blunder that is lol

dear mehwish U are a very brave girl u choose to stand against all ods. dont let any one get u down. stand up for what u believe in and those that u beleive in. duniya ke har leader ki kahani me ek "Jury" hay, ek "Mehwish" hay or ek "GeoGee" hay. pareshan mat hona (waisay ye altaf bhayee lagtay to mujhay bhi thorday dodgy hi hain) lekin on ke supporters ki himat ko salam (lagay howe hain). but compared with all real parties MQM tops it.