Wikileaks on Saudia... what's so surprising??

[MalirWala]

First of all, this thread is about the Saudi king, not the Arab public in general which is fully supportive of Iran. But it is the despots of the region that have a real problem with the Iranians..

We all know that Saudi Arabia used Saddam Hussain to attack Iran right after the '79 revolution. This is a WELL DOCUMENTED fact of history that only a moron can deny.

The only Arab country that was with Iran was syria, the rest were all unified against the Iranian menace (which simply means : popular revolutions against un-popular American puppets).

Lately, Saudis have been bank-rolling two American allies against their iranian-backed counterparts:
1. Palestinian authorities in Palestine against Hamas
2. Hariri camp in Lebanon against Hizbullah

And finally, Saudis have PUBLICLY denounced the iranian nuclear program.

Isn't all this enough proof that what wikileaks is telling us NOT surprising at all??

Can any SAUDI slave on the forum dare to compare the behavior of Saudis with that of the Turks. If Iranian nuclear program is such a threat, why is Erodagan supporting Iran? and why do the Arabs (puppet rulers) hate it so much?

 

[Salik]

It is a well-known fact that Saudi Royal family is very close to the west.... Nothing surprising at all...

 

[Night_Hawk]

The Purpose of his Wiki-leak is to spread hat-rid amongst the Muslims.
Look at the timing of his news.
They tried their best to create a rift between the two groups and now they are doing the same.
This is end of ZilHajj, Next month will Muharram.
Let us figure that out what is the purpose.

 

[MalirWala]

The Purpose of his Wiki-leak is to spread hat-rid amongst the Muslims.
Look at the timing of his news.
They tried their best to create a rift between the two groups and now they are doing the same.
This is end of ZilHajj, Next month will Muharram.
Let us figure that out what is the purpose.

If anything this is an attempt to expose the ARAB LEADERS.

it has NOTHING to do with spreading fitna among the muslims masses.

The Arabs have no problem with Iran, and so do non-Arab states like Turkey, Pakistan and Malayisa etc.. it's Only Arab rulers who are threatened by Iran, and Wikileaks has done well expose those snakes!

King Abdullah just rented a full VIP floor of a new york hospital. This after he spent 60 BILLION dollars on purchasing weapons.. Is this person worth-defending??

 

[Night_Hawk]

If anything this is an attempt to expose the ARAB LEADERS.

it has NOTHING to do with spreading fitna among the muslims masses.

The Arabs have no problem with Iran, and so do non-Arab states like Turkey, Pakistan and Malayisa etc.. it's Only Arab rulers who are threatened by Iran, and Wikileaks has done well expose those snakes!

King Abdullah just rented a full VIP floor of a new york hospital. This after he spent 60 BILLION dollars on purchasing weapons.. Is this person worth-defending??

That is your point of view.
I am not defending anyone here.

 

[MalirWala]

That is your point of view.
I am not defending anyone here.

hey bro,
it's not my opinion alone.

Here's Brooking institute's most recent poll:

This years poll surveyed 3,976 people in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan, Lebanon, and the United Arab Emirates, during the period of June 29July 20, 2010.

Among the key poll findings are:
A substantial change in the assessment of President Obama, both as president of the United States and of Obama personally.
Remarkably stable views on the Arab-Israeli conflict and the prospects of its resolution.
A majority of the Arab public now see a nuclear-armed Iran as being better for the Middle East.

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2010/0805_arab_opinion_poll_telhami.aspx


All I am saying is, that it's not the people in the middle-east that hate each other, it's just a handful of puppets who are scared. Therefore we shouldn't conflate this exposure of their internal fears to some ummah-wide conspiracy!!!

 

[Night_Hawk]

[HI]A majority of the Arab public now see a nuclear-armed Iran as being better for the Middle East.[/HI]

I agree with you on this brother.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

The Purpose of his Wiki-leak is to spread hat-rid amongst the Muslims.
Look at the timing of his news.
They tried their best to create a rift between the two groups and now they are doing the same.
This is end of ZilHajj, Next month will Muharram.
Let us figure that out what is the purpose.

Brother Night_Hawk

The authenticity of these documents are beyond the debate. Even the American Government is not denying them . Now, you can argue for the sake of an argument, that somehow, the American Ambassadors around the world misrepresented the events and facts and sent these cables with lies. And if that is the case, I think the onus is on foreign governments and their officials to clarify these events and get the right version. In any event, what I have seen so far, it has supported my old held view that we in Pakistan at least have these corrupt army generals and corrupt politicians who are lining up at the American's door to sell their ...... for the American dollars. If there is any system and any self respect or any dignity left in any of these politicians or army generals, then they should resign and leave the posts which they are holding. Because each of them have breach their oath and lost their trust.As far as the Arab leaders are concerned, don't even talk about it. Had they be any better, the muslims around the world would be in this dire state. They breath America. They can't perceive even passing the gases without asking Americans first.

 

[Night_Hawk]

Brother Night_Hawk

The authenticity of these documents are beyond the debate. Even the American Government is not denying them . Now, you can argue for the sake of an argument, that somehow, the American Ambassadors around the world misrepresented the events and facts and sent these cables with lies. And if that is the case, I think the onus is on foreign governments and their officials to clarify these events and get the right version. In any event, what I have seen so far, it has supported my old held view that we in Pakistan at least have these corrupt army generals and corrupt politicians who are lining up at the American's door to sell their ...... for the American dollars. If there is any system and any self respect or any dignity left in any of these politicians or army generals, then they should resign and leave the posts which they are holding. Because each of them have breach their oath and lost their trust.As far as the Arab leaders are concerned, don't even talk about it. Had they be any better, the muslims around the world would be in this dire state. They breath America. They can't perceive even passing the gases without asking Americans first.

Brorther Zaidi Qasim,
I agree with your statement, you know very well what they did when they wanted to attack Iraq.
The evidence was presented in the UNO and they made fool out of everybody in the world.
We can not trust our leaders in the govt.
Forget about the Arab leaders, my fears are that we should not start fighting among ourselves in the Muslim World.
i do not care about their :)(flatulence):) and who they have to ask to get relief.
I wish our leaders in Muslim Ommah were a little better.

 

[muslim01]

The reason for Arab leaders hating Iran is somehow justified if you talk about politics and strain away from sectarian differences.

The hatred was started by Iran itself. Dont you see the separatist movement in Yemen? Everybody knows and Arabian authorities keeps on claiming that Iran is supporting these rebels who are even causing unrest with in KSA.

Look at the situation of Bahrain. The rulers of Bahrain keep on saying that Iran is fueling and financing the rebels in Bahrain who wants their separate Shia state.

Look at the situation of Lebanon. Hezbollah is a govt with in a govt.

When some people see hezbollah fighting against israel they call them heroes but when they see talibans fighting against US they call them terrorist.

If we want peace with in the Ummah then we have to change ourselves first!

 

[MalirWala]

The reason for Arab leaders hating Iran is somehow justified if you talk about politics and strain away from sectarian differences.

The hatred was started by Iran itself

Explain to me who helped SADDAM for 8 years against Iran and Why????

Dont you see the separatist movement in Yemen?

The last I checked:
- Houti rebels are ANTI-AMERICAN

- Ain't a threat to the Saudi puppet-king.

Everybody knows and Arabian authorities keeps on claiming that Iran is supporting these rebels who are even causing unrest with in KSA.

Everybody also knows that Iran has gained more traction in Gaza and lebanon than the Arab puppets themselves.

that's the main reason of jealousy my friend.

Look at the situation of Bahrain. The rulers of Bahrain keep on saying that Iran is fueling and financing the rebels in Bahrain who wants their separate Shia state.

'rulers' of Bahrain?
you mean the British installed puppets?

Look at the situation of Lebanon. Hezbollah is a govt with in a govt.

it's called a 'state within a non-state'

When some people see hezbollah fighting against israel they call them heroes

so arab puppets are justified in ditching hezbollah somehow because Iran doesnt support Taliban overtly?

If we want peace with in the Ummah then we have to change ourselves first!

can't disagree there bro..

 

[muslim01]

Explain to me who helped SADDAM for 8 years against Iran and Why????

First of all you dont feel pain when Iraq was occupied by US forces and curse saddam for his acts against Iran and when there is a news that US wants to invade Iran then you feel all the pain. Where is ummah unity?


The last I checked:
- Houti rebels are ANTI-AMERICAN

- Ain't a threat to the Saudi puppet-king.

To learn more about terrorist Houti see this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa'dah_insurgency

who do you think is financing them? Yemeni shias have carried out attacks on Saudi soil in recent times.



Everybody also knows that Iran has gained more traction in Gaza and lebanon than the Arab puppets themselves.

Where was Iran when muslim countries like Afghanistan and Iraq were being attacked? oh! I remembered that Iran allied with US forces to carry out attack on Afghanistan and Iraq.

Iran only condemns Gaza attacks as does other Arab countries and even Pakistan does. What has Iran really done for Gaza besides just chanting out slogans just like puppet Arabian leaders?

Who do you think is funding hazbollah? Isn't funding this terrorist organization an act against Lebanon itself?

that's the main reason of jealousy my friend.

The main jealousy is created by Iran itself. Iran has proved itself to be a disuniting factor with in the ummah. Iran just wants it influence in Arab countries by funding terrorists and rebels in those countries.

'rulers' of Bahrain?
you mean the British installed puppets?

By rulers of Bahrain I mean the rulers who want peace in their country. Would Iran's funding rebels in Bahrain damages US? the answer is NO, it damages Bahrain (which is a muslim country)


it's called a 'state within a non-state'

So can you say that Pakistani Talibans are state within a non-state? Obviously NO! then why hezbollah? is it because they belong to your sect? and is this the only thing you care about? dont you care about the rest of the ummah?

so arab puppets are justified in ditching hezbollah somehow because Iran doesnt support Taliban overtly?

This is called munafiqat that you support US over your afghan and iraqi brothers and acts against US when hezbollah is concerned.


The only point that I am making is that Iran is the main reason that Arabs hate Iran. I know that Arab rulers are puppets but Iranian rulers are no better then them.

 

[MalirWala]

First of all you dont feel pain when Iraq was occupied by US forces and curse saddam for his acts against Iran and when there is a news that US wants to invade Iran then you feel all the pain. Where is ummah unity?

Muqtada's two insurgencies were sponsored by Iran, he still resides there! It's totally unreasonable to expect that Iran would have helped SADDAM against the US!

I will grant you that in Khatami's time, Iran and US has grown closer. This situation changed after Ahmedinejad..

And btw, you tell me, where was the Ummah's unity when Saddam acted as a proxy of the Arab puppets to attack iran?

who do you think is financing them? Yemeni shias have carried out attacks on Saudi soil in recent times.

Don't tell me you are defending the puppet Yemeni who is so servile he takes the blames for US attacks on his soil voluntarily!

Iran only condemns Gaza attacks as does other Arab countries and even Pakistan does.
What has Iran really done for Gaza besides just chanting out slogans just like puppet Arabian leaders?

Allow me to educate you:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/16/iran.israel
iran is the biggest financier of Hamas that controls gaza.

Iran has become the single biggest donor to the Palestinian Authority, replacing the European Union, according to a senior official in the Hamas government.

The puppets have SHUNNED gaza, and officially support The Palestinian Authority!

you don't see the difference?

Who do you think is funding hazbollah? Isn't funding this terrorist organization an act against Lebanon itself?

Did you know that israel and lebanon never officially signed a cease-fire?
they are technically still at war!
the moment Israel makes peace with Lebanon, Hizb will become redundant!

The main jealousy is created by Iran itself. Iran has proved itself to be a disuniting factor with in the ummah. Iran just wants it influence in Arab countries by funding terrorists and rebels in those countries.

Terrorists and rebels, hmm, are you channeling Fawad of the US State Department outreach program?

By rulers of Bahrain I mean the rulers who want peace in their country. Would Iran's funding rebels in Bahrain damages US? the answer is NO, it damages Bahrain (which is a muslim country)

'rulers who want peace'.. this can be said for pretty much ANY ruler in world.

the Shameless puppet has welcome the US 5th fleet in his tiny kingdom. Is this to counter insurgency in his own country? The air-craft carrier to fight rebels?
Don't you see the stupidity of your argument?

So can you say that Pakistani Talibans are state within a non-state? Obviously NO! then why hezbollah? is it because they belong to your sect? and is this the only thing you care about? dont you care about the rest of the ummah?

Hamas is not of the same sect as Iran, the last I checked! If you care to research, they are closer to Saudis in their faith than anybody else.

Yet the Saudis abandoned them. I guess they are 'terrorists', right!

This is called munafiqat that you support US over your afghan and iraqi brothers and acts against US when hezbollah is concerned.

I gave you the example of Turkey.

Turkey is part of NATO which is mandated to destroy Taliban.

yet Erdogan was fully supportive of the Freedom Flotittal in Gaza.

This is exactly Identical to Iran's behavior, in fact turkey's actions are more anti-taliban than Iran.

Yet, Erdogan is regarded a HERO in the Arab and muslim world.

The only point that I am making is that Iran is the main reason that Arabs hate Iran. I know that Arab rulers are puppets but Iranian rulers are no better then them.

you are twisting the facts.

Arabs DON'T HATE IRAN. This is the whole point of this thread!

Their puppet rulers do.

read the brookings Institute poll damnit!


fahad
in the end I will pose a simple question:
- Are the arab puppets justified in asking for Iran's destruction, after attempting that via saddam in the 80s?
- Why are two biggest neighbors of iran, i.e. Turkey and Pakistan, Ok with their nuclear program?
- Why do the muslim masses in general don't regard iran as a threat, but the puppet kings of the Gulf are hugely unpopular?