Who is stronger? State or the Maulvis.

RealPeople

Minister (2k+ posts)
it is pathetic how the maulvis are hijacking state matters and soveregnity issues by manipulating public and using it for their own evil agendas.

I dont see much will come out from this behaviour but State has to stamp out these radicals. They are taliban-like in their behaviour implying they challange authority and require force to neutralise them, sine they dont want to understand or listen to reason
 

Mirza Marjana

Senator (1k+ posts)
riyast apny faisly ne kr sakti,,, hum log kab tak internaitonal establishment sy instruction lety rehin gy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

asus87

MPA (400+ posts)
yehi kaam musharaf nae karne ki kosish ki thi (no doubt kuch decisions galat bhi thien) par dekh lo uska kia hashar hogia. He has become a laughing stock. Political OR Non-Political matters mei usay aaj bhi ghaseeta jata hai.


Inka aik hi haal hai k jo genuine maulvis and i mean educated one, woh aik group ban k logon ko gumrah honay sae bachaien
 

Aliimran1

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Yeh maulvi blackmailer hein aur Insha Allah is martaba inhein shikast ho gi ----- Awam is martaba in ki baaton mein nahi anay walay nahi
 

islamabadi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Law should be same and apply to everyone...blocking roads is against the law....now it is time for the police to arrest and PROSECUTE every single person blocking roads.....dekhen zara kahan tuk pohonchey hen police reforms in PTI government....including KPK where PTI is in power for over 5 years. PTI is already sccared to death and I had a hard time reaching home today because the GOVERNMENT is the one who BLOCKED my road around Islamabad with containers. PML ad PPP used to put up containers too and blocked people from reaching homes....now PTI has done it too....kia faq hai PTI ki police mein aur PML PPP ki police mein? Ullu k pathey hen sarey
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The more you appease such extremists, the more support they get and the more bold and violent they get. We did it by tolerating such extremists for years when they should have been stopped at the first sign of extremism.
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Secularism is the only solution. Expel religion out of constitution , as long as Islam is an official religion of Pakistan it will be used or abused for political gains
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think Pakistani society and culture is 200-300 years behind the rest of the world to do anything like this. They still haven't gotten over the point that religions are based on faith and faith means believing something without a reason or evidence. But you cant have discussions like that in the country because of Blasphemy laws.

In Pakistan ideas are more important than human life, you can kill people for simply opposing an idea. A society in which you cannot challenge ideas or expressing opinion freely there is no hope for the next few centuries.


Secularism is the only solution. Expel religion out of constitution , as long as Islam is an official religion of Pakistan it will be used or abused for political gains
 

Shareef

Minister (2k+ posts)
The best way to stub trouble making mullas is to black them out from the media and take away loudspeakers from them (which they had once declared as devil's instrument and haraam). Nothing else needs be done. Only these two steps will put them right
 

PIND-WALA

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think Pakistani society and culture is 200-300 years behind the rest of the world to do anything like this. They still haven't gotten over the point that religions are based on faith and faith means believing something without a reason or evidence. But you cant have discussions like that in the country because of Blasphemy laws.

In Pakistan ideas are more important than human life, you can kill people for simply opposing an idea. A society in which you cannot challenge ideas or expressing opinion freely there is no hope for the next few centuries.
Well there are certain things pertaining to religion that are absolute cetainity and close for discussion and debate. I am not supporting this thuggish behavior of mullahs but too much debate also leaves confusion and for makes it easy for weaker mind to astray
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Where traffic jammed..Molvis openly abusing SC judges..Can CJ take So Moto and order all his favorite IG..DIG..DPO to clear the roads within hours arrest the Molvis who abusing Judges.. otherswis they will dismissed...
 

RealPeople

Minister (2k+ posts)
The best way to stub trouble making mullas is to black them out from the media and take away loudspeakers from them (which they had once declared as devil's instrument and haraam). Nothing else needs be done. Only these two steps will put them right

i say tax them at higher rate or cut off their water
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The debate over religion ended in Europe over 200 years ago, giving rise to their secularism and prosperity. The grip of religion was stronger in Europe than it is in South Asia, entire countries land was literally owned by the church in countries like England and France.

Now the same arguments in favour of God that failed in Europe 200 years ago are being refurbished and reused in Islamic countries. Conclusion was that Hindus believe in their God based on faith, Christians believe in theirs also based on faith. Faith is not a path way to truth. The pathway to truth is to follow the evidence. In case of God there is zero evidence to test. Thats why it is not even considered as a hypothesis.

The debate over religion is long over, but Pakistanis have to catch up to all these realities in the next few decades.


Well there are certain things pertaining to religion that are absolute cetainity and close for discussion and debate. I am not supporting this thuggish behavior of mullahs but too much debate also leaves confusion and for makes it easy for weaker mind to astray
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
CJ sahib..Langra Molvi Pain Di Siri ne roads block Kar dia Hain.. Sarray Aam ap smait sab judges ko M B ki galian de raha ha...Zara apnay blue eyed IG..DG.DPO ko foran SC m bula Kar 3 hours ka time do ke roads open Karo..Molvi Pain Di Siri smait sab Judiciary ko galian denay walo ko arrest karay..Warna aj hi SC ke ander in ki paitian utar di jayain gein....Waisay tu channels par ticker chalnay par So Moto letey ho..Kia abhi Tak kuch nazar nahi aa raha jab se verdict di ha??.Fed Gov should order ranger to secure SC .. Judges..Jail where Asia Bibi is.. replacing Panjab police Immediately...
Total black out in electronics and medias news
.speaches of Molvis Pain Di Siri..and others.
 

newday

Councller (250+ posts)
What a Great research, slap on the faces of Islamic countries head of state

Subject: Ranking of true Islamic countries

How Islamic are the Islamic Countries

A study conducted by Prof. Hussain Askari of George Washington University entitled *“How Islamic are the Islamic Countries"* showed that most of the countries that apply *Islamic Principles* in their daily lives are not ones that are traditionally Muslim.
New Zealand ranked 1st, Luxembourg 2nd,
Ireland 3rd,
Iceland 4th,
Finland 5th,
Denmark 6th
Canada 7th.
Malaysia 38th,
Kuwait 48th,
Bahrain 64th
and the surprise
*Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ranked 131st*.

The study, published in the *Global Economy Journal* might be shocking to most of us but when we look around us and see the reality of the situation, we find that the results of the study are accurate and true.

As Muslims we seem to care only about performing religious Obligations/Rituals/Sunnah (prayer, fasting, niqab, beards, etc), reading the Qur’an and the Hadiths, but we don't practice what we espouse. We listen to religious lessons and sermons more than the other people on the face of the earth, but we are still not the best of Nations. In the last 60 years, we have listened to 3,000 Friday sermons.

A Chinese merchant once said: “Muslim merchants come to me and ask me to put fake international labels and brands on their goods. When I invite them to eat, they refuse because the food is not Halal. So it is Halal for them to sell fake goods?”

A Japanese Muslim said: “I traveled to the West and saw Islam in practice applied in the daily life of non-Muslims. I traveled to the East, I saw Islam but did not see any Muslims. I thank Allah I knew Islam before I knew how Muslims act.”

Religion should not be reduced to Prayer and Fasting. It is a way of life and it is about how we treat others.

Performing a religious obligation is up to you and it is something between you and Allah. However, good ethics is something between you and other people. In other words, if we do not put Islamic ethics into action and practice, corruption will become rampant and disgrace will be our future.

We should not judge a person based on how he performs religious obligations for he might be a hypocrite.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “Verily, the bankrupt of my nation are those who come on the Day of Resurrection with prayers, fasting and charity, but also with insults, slander, consuming wealth, shedding and beating others.”

I believe *Islam* (external aspect of faith) is incomplete without *Imaan* (internal aspect of faith) and *Ihsaan* (social aspect of faith). Ponder, understand and realize this.

Lord Bernard Shaw is said to have said:

Islam is the best religion and Muslims are the worst followers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-in-Islamic-values-as-Muslim-states-lag.html
 

Zinda_Rood

Minister (2k+ posts)
یہ ملک اسلام کے نام پر بنا تھا، اور اس پر عملی طور پر شروع سے ہی مولویوں کا تسلط رہا کیوںکہ مولوی خود کو اسلام کا نمائندہ قرار دیتا ہے اور عوام اس کے اس دعوے کو قبول بھی کرتی ہے۔ بھٹو دور میں مولویوں کی تحریک ختنم نبوت سے لے کر مولویوں کی آج کی غنڈہ گردی تک ایک تسلسل ہے۔ یہ طبقہ یونہی طاقتور نہیں ہوگیا۔۔ آج یہ بدمعاش طبقہ اتنا طاقتور ہوگیا ہے کہ جب چاہے حکومت اور ریاست کو آگے لگا لیتا ہے اور ریاست بھیگی بلی کی طرح ان کے سامنے سہمی رہتی ہے۔۔
 

MHAMZA

Minister (2k+ posts)
Firstly the Gov should have requested the SC to announce verdict on Saturday so there would have no trouble for school going children and would have given them some time to prepare .. especially in Karachi .. where PPP Gov wants people to stop supporting PTI...
 

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