Which militant groups are kosher???

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Police wonder which militant groups are kosher

By Salman Siddiqui
Published: June 20, 2011

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Despite numerous attacks, Pakistan lacks a national policy on how to deal with terrorism. DESIGN: JAMAL KHURSHID

KARACHI: There is massive confusion in the police department about whether they can take action against certain banned groups such as the active Jamaatud Dawa unless they get the go-ahead from big brother.

These groups differ from clearly marked ones such as the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi or Tehreek-i-Taliban, who are fair game. In any given month, the police arrest at least a dozen of their operatives, who are paraded in front of the media, albeit under blankets to protect their identity. The proud officers rachet up the number of suspects and everyone goes home happy.
But what about the groups that fall in a grey area? In background interviews, senior police and civilian intelligence officials reveal to The Express Tribune that the confusion begins when they come across suspects who operate under groups with an untouchable status.
Take, for example, certain outfits such as the Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) whose members were sashaying around [Dhandanatay huey phir rahey they] in a massive rally to openly mourn the death of Osama bin Laden, as one senior police official put it. It was ironic that the force had to offer them protection for their rally, he remarked. They even openly offered funeral prayers in absentia for the al Qaeda leader.
Today, if [Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistans general secretary] Maulana Aurangzeb Farooqi comes to the city and holds a rally, nobody in the police force would know whether he should be allowed to make a speech or not, said this officer, who has vast experience and specialises in terrorism cases. To make matters worse, the police have the complaint that the intelligence agencies are usually arrogant about these matters and tell the police force that they should be consulted first before any action is taken.
Without a doubt, theres massive confusion in the police force today about what to do with certain people belonging to some banned militant groups, said a senior civilian intelligence official, who corroborated the police officials claim. He stressed there was a dire need to set up a platform where police, civil and military security agencies can coordinate and work out what is kosher.
This confusion and its fallout has been noted and discussed not just inside the force, but by observers too. It should hardly come as a surprise that the police in Karachi, as those elsewhere in the country, dont know what to do, said Zahid Hussain, who is the new Pakistan scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre and the author of The Scorpions Tale: The Relentless Rise of Islamic Militants in Pakistan. Despite numerous terrorism incidents, Pakistan lacks a national policy on how to deal with terrorism, he said. In fact, some of our security agencies engaged in counter-terrorism are still not clear in their heads whether militancy and all militant groups are a threat to the country.
Hussain blamed the government for failing to come up with a national policy and warned that the longer we wait, the more difficult it would become to craft one. For him, it was a shame that the national counter-terrorism authority that was supposedly established to deal with exactly these questions, remains ineffective. Theyre still bickering over whether this body should come under the interior minister or prime minister, he said.
But why should there even be kosher and non-kosher groups at all, argue others. These categories for militant groups are mere excuses being made by the police, in the opinion of former Inspector-General of Police for Sindh Afzal Shigri. It was the duty of a police official and every law enforcement authority to arrest all terrorists. A policeman works under the law and if he catches a suspect according to the law, no one can stop him from doing so. It is ridiculous, in my opinion, to say that they cant act unless Big Brother winks at them, he said, adding that its highly unfortunate that today the police was playing second fiddle to the agencies. Police have the powers to arrest and interrogate. They have all the powers, while intelligence agencies technically have no such powers.
The truth is that the police has its own national police management board which can be approached for all such conundrums and from whom legal opinion can be solicited.
For Shigri, its the policemans job to withstand pressure from all internal and external players, even if it comes from the intelligence agencies. Worst comes to worst, the influential [people] can have an officer transferred. So why be afraid of that? he asked. In his view, the current situation also indicates a lack of leadership within the police. An officer who is earning just his salary, [about] Rs20,000, wouldnt care for such things, he explained. It is those who are earning two million rupees a month who worry about transfers and Big Brother pressures.
Published in The Express Tribune, June 20th, 2011.
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
More proof of our establishments involvement in the sh*tty world of terrorist breeding.
We breed them and then they turn on us yet we wont stamp them out. What utility is there of these radicals now? Even Kashmir is on the back burner now yet our policies dont change.
 

Narcissist

Banned
Shahzad Saleem was killed, because he exposed the reality of Pakistan Army, and their huge involvement in running the Jihadi nexuses in all across Pakistan. It is no more a secret that Al-Quaida and Lashker e Taiba are operated from GHQ Rawalpindi. More than 30% of Pakistan army officers in Pak military have some involvement or soft corner for these militias and their cause. Action in Murdan cantt, Mehran base, Rawalpindi GHQ were done with the help of insiders.
 
Police wonder which militant groups are kosher

By Salman Siddiqui
Published: June 20, 2011

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Despite numerous attacks, Pakistan lacks a national policy on how to deal with terrorism. DESIGN: JAMAL KHURSHID

KARACHI: There is “massive confusion” in the police department about whether they can take action against certain banned groups such as the active Jamaatud Dawa unless they get the go-ahead from ‘big brother’.

These groups differ from clearly marked ones such as the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi or Tehreek-i-Taliban, who are fair game. In any given month, the police arrest at least a dozen of their operatives, who are paraded in front of the media, albeit under blankets to protect their identity. The proud officers rachet up the number of suspects and everyone goes home happy.
But what about the groups that fall in a grey area? In background interviews, senior police and civilian intelligence officials reveal to The Express Tribune that the confusion begins when they come across suspects who operate under groups with an “untouchable status”.
Take, for example, certain outfits such as the Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) whose members were “sashaying around” [Dhandanatay huey phir rahey they] in a massive rally to openly mourn the death of Osama bin Laden, as one senior police official put it. It was ironic that the force had to offer them “protection” for their rally, he remarked. They even openly offered funeral prayers in absentia for the al Qaeda leader.
“Today, if [Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan’s general secretary] Maulana Aurangzeb Farooqi comes to the city and holds a rally, nobody in the police force would know whether he should be allowed to make a speech or not,” said this officer, who has vast experience and specialises in terrorism cases. To make matters worse, the police have the complaint that the intelligence agencies are usually arrogant about these matters and tell the police force that they should be consulted first before any action is taken.
“Without a doubt, there’s massive confusion in the police force today about what to do with certain people belonging to some banned militant groups,” said a senior civilian intelligence official, who corroborated the police official’s claim. He stressed there was a dire need to set up a platform where police, civil and military security agencies can coordinate and work out what is kosher.
This confusion and its fallout has been noted and discussed not just inside the force, but by observers too. It should hardly come as a surprise that the police in Karachi, as those elsewhere in the country, don’t know what to do, said Zahid Hussain, who is the new Pakistan scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre and the author of The Scorpion’s Tale: The Relentless Rise of Islamic Militants in Pakistan. “Despite numerous terrorism incidents, Pakistan lacks a national policy on how to deal with terrorism,” he said. In fact, some of our security agencies engaged in counter-terrorism are still not clear in their heads whether militancy and all militant groups are a threat to the country.
Hussain blamed the government for failing to come up with a national policy and warned that the longer we wait, the more difficult it would become to craft one. For him, it was a shame that the national counter-terrorism authority that was supposedly established to deal with exactly these questions, remains ineffective. “They’re still bickering over whether this body should come under the interior minister or prime minister,” he said.
But why should there even be kosher and non-kosher groups at all, argue others. These categories for militant groups are “mere excuses” being made by the police, in the opinion of former Inspector-General of Police for Sindh Afzal Shigri. It was the duty of a police official and every law enforcement authority to arrest all terrorists. A policeman works under the law and if he catches a suspect according to the law, no one can stop him from doing so. “It is ridiculous, in my opinion, to say that they can’t act unless Big Brother winks at them,” he said, adding that it’s highly unfortunate that today the police was playing second fiddle to the agencies. “Police have the powers to arrest and interrogate. They have all the powers, while intelligence agencies technically have no such powers.”
The truth is that the police has its own national police management board which can be approached for all such conundrums and from whom legal opinion can be solicited.
For Shigri, it’s the policeman’s job to withstand pressure from all internal and external players, even if it comes from the intelligence agencies. “Worst comes to worst, the influential [people] can have an officer transferred. So why be afraid of that?” he asked. In his view, the current situation also indicates a lack of leadership within the police. “An officer who is earning just his salary, [about] Rs20,000, wouldn’t care for such things,” he explained. “It is those who are earning two million rupees a month who worry about transfers and Big Brother pressures.”
Published in The Express Tribune, June 20th, 2011.

why the govt don't take action in karachi against the terrorist group what about anp ppp bnp and so on the group supporting pak army and couse of pakistan why they want take action against them.
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
نمبردار شدت پسندوں پر نظر رکھیں گے


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شدت پسندوں کی خیفہ سرگرمیوں پر نگرانی کے لیے نمبرداروں کی تربیت کا عمل شروع ہوگیا ہے ۔
پاکستان کے صوبہ پنجاب کے دیہی علاقوں میں کالعدم تنظیموں اور شدت پسندوں کی سرگرمیوں پر نظر رکھنے اور ان کے بارے میں معلومات اکٹھی کرنے کے لیے ضلع کے نمبرداروں کی خدمات حاصل کرلی گئیں ہیں ۔
اس مقصد کے لیے ابتدائی طور پر پنجاب کے ضلع ساہیوال کو چنا گیا ہے جہاں شدت پسندوں کی خیفہ سرگرمیوں پر نگرانی کے لیے نمبرداروں کی تربیت کا عمل شروع ہوگیا ہے ۔
حکام کا کہنا ہے کہ اب تک تین سو نمبرداروں نے تربیت حاصل کی ہے اور ان تربیت یافتہ نمبرداروں نے پولیس کو شدت پسندوں کی دیہی علاقوں میں سرگرمیوں کے بارے میں معلومات دینی شروع کردی ہیں ۔
ضلعی حکام کے مطابق روایتی طور پر نمبردار ریوینو اکٹھا کرنے کا ریکارڈ رکھنے کے علاوہ زرعی اراضی کے انتقال جیسے معلامات سرانجام دیتے ہیں لیکن اس کے ساتھ علاقے میں جرائم پیشہ افراد کی نگرانی بھی ان کی ذمہ داریوں میں شامل تھی ۔ساہیوال کے ضلعی پولیس افسر یعنی ڈی پی او ایاز سلیم نے بی بی سی اردو کے عباد الحق کو بتایا کہ آجکل کالعدم جہادی تنظیموں کی طرف سے چندہ اکھٹا کرنا اور ان تنظیموں میں بھرتی کرنے جیسے بڑے چیلنج کا سامنا ہے لیکن بقول ان کے دیہی علاقوں میں کالعدم تنظیموں کے سرگرمیوں کے بارے معلومات اکٹھی کرنے کے لیے کوئی طریقہ کار موجود نہیں تھا۔
پولیس آفسر کا کہنا ہے کہ شدت پسندوں کی سرگرمیوں پر نظر رکھنے اور ان کے بارے میں معلومات اکٹھی کرنے کے لیے نمبرداروں کی خدمات حاصل کی گئی ہے کیونکہ قانون میں یہ گنجائش موجود ہے کہ جس کے تحت نمبرداروں سے جرائم پیشہ افراد کے بارے میں معلومات حاصل کی جا سکتی ہیں۔
انہوں نے بتایا کہ نمبرداروں کی طرف سے پولیس کی معاونت کا نظام متروک ہوگیا تھا تاہم اب دوبارہ اس منظم نظام کے ذریعے نمبرداروں سے شدت پسندوں کے بارے میں معلومات حاصل کی جائیں گی ۔
ڈی پی او ساہیوال کے مطابق گندم کی کٹائی کے موقع پر ایک کالعدم تنظیم جیش محمد کے لوگوں کو پکڑاگیا ہے جو نام تبدیل کرکے الرحمت ٹرسٹ کے نام سے عام لوگوں سے چندہ اکھٹا کررہے تھے۔

پولیس آفسر کے بقول حراست میں لیے گئے لوگوں سے جو مواد ملا اس سے پتہ چلا کہ وہ رکنیت سازی کیلیے چندہ اکٹھا کررہے تھے تاکہ لوگوں کو بھرتی کر کے انہیں دہشت گردی کی کارروائیوں کے لیے تربیت دی جائے ۔


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ایاز سلیم نے بتایا کہ ضلع ساہیوال میں چھ سو کے لگ بھگ دیہات ہیں اور ان دیہاتوں میں ایک ہزار ستاون نمبردار ہیں اور اب ان نمبرداروں کے ذریعے شدت پسندوں کی دیہی علاقوں میں سرگرمیوں کے بارے میں معلومات اکٹھی کی جائیں گی۔
ضلعی پولیس آفسر نے بتایا کہ ہر بدھ کو ایک سو نمبرداروں کو تربیت دی جاتی ہے اور بقول ان کے اب تین سو نمبرداروں کو تربیت دی جاچکی ہے ۔ان کا کہنا ہے کہ آئندہ پینتالیس دنوں میں ضلع کے تمام ایک ہزار ستاون نمبرداروں کی تربیت مکمل ہوجائے گی ۔
ڈی پی اورساہیوال ایاز سلیم کا کہنا ہے کہ نمبرداروں نے کالعدم تنظیموں کی سرگرمیوں کے بارے میں معلومات فراہم کرنا شروع کردی ہیں اور یہ معلومات ڈی پی او آفس میں اکٹھی کی جارہی ہیں اور بقول ان کے نمبرداروں سے ملنے والی معلومات کو خفیہ رکھا جارہا ہے۔
ایک سوال کے جواب میں ضلعی پولیس آفسر نے بتایا کہ نمبرداروں سے کالعدم تنظیموں کے بارے میں معلومات کی اچھی طرح جانچ کرکے اس کی تصدیق کی جاتی ہے ۔
ایاز سلیم نے بتایا کہ نمبرداروں کے لیے ایک موبائل فون کا ایک نمبر مختص کیا گیا ہے جس پر نمبردار ایس ایم ایس کر کے معلومات فراہم کریں گے کیونکہ بقول ان کے یہ ممکن نہیں ہے کہ ہر نمبردار کی فون کال سنی جاسکے ۔
ڈی پی اور ساہیوال نے یہ بھی بتایا کہ نمبردار کی طرف سے اختیارات کا ناجائز استعمال کرنے اور غلط معلومات فراہم کرنے پر قانون کے مطابق کارروائی کی جائے گی۔
 

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