What Jinnah's coevals thought of him

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
I have taken this information from a newspaper article.
The article was published in the newspaper - DNA, website: www.dnaindia.com

Coevals --- one of the same era or period, a contemporary.
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coeval

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Mahatma Gandhi ---
"Bhai Subedar,
Think you have again fallen into a trap. The Quaid-e-Azam has made no definite proposal. He only wants to prove the two-nation theory and partition the country. We need not pay attention to him, as we would not to anybody who wanted to separate two brother"
(Mahatma Gandhi in a letter written to an economist on 14th September 1941.
Source: Collected works of Mahatma Gandhi)

"Do coax him to learn Hindustani or Gujarati."
(Gandhi wrote to Ruttie Jinnah in 1920. Quoted in Patrick French's Liberty or Death)
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Jawaharlal Nehru ---
"It has been our misfortune, and the misfortune of India and Pakistan, that evil impulses were encouraged by people who ought to have known better and for the moment those evil impulses triumphed...Can you realise how i felt during these last years, how utterly evil tendencies were set in motion by Mr. Jinnah and the Muslim League, tendencies which I know could only bring disaster to India. They did bring disaster not only to India but even more to the Pakistan of Mr. Jinnah's creation. The disaster had not ended yet and no one can say whether and how that will end..."

(In a letter to the Nawab of Bhopal on 9th July 1948.
Source: Selected writings of Jawaharlal Nehru)
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Sardar Patel ---
"...yesterday HH The Aga Khan invited me to his place...He spoke to me that better would it be if we had a settlement with Mr. Jinnah. I said, "We...would not like to initiate talks with him for he abuses in season and out of season, and in fact he does not genuinely wish for a settlement." To this he said, "Jinnah is now in a better mood." I rejoined, "I utterly disbelieve...He might be making such a show in order to tempt us to his snare."
(In a letter to Gandhi on 28th December 1945.)

Gandhi replied : "Yours indeed was a fitting reply regarding Jinnahbhai."

(Source: The Collected Works of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel)
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B.R. Amberdkar ---
"We have on the horizon of India two great men, so big they could be identified without being named - Gandhi and Jinnah... One leads the Hindus, the other leads the Muslims. I can only give my impression of them, for what they are worth. The first that strikes me is that it would be difficult to find two persons who would rival them for their colossal egotism, to whom personal ascendancy is everything and the cause of the country a mere counter on the table. They have made Indian politics a matter of personal feud."

(From Ranade, Gandhi and Jinnah, speech delivered on the occasion of 101st birthday of Mahadev Govind Ranade in Poona on 18th January 1940)
 

nabeel117

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Contra bhai,

What does "Mahatma" literally means? I think its a Sanskirit word :? I have found same terminology in Budhaism too :?:
 
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As his biographer, Stanley Wolpert, wrote:
'Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah did all three.
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Quaid e Azam M A Jinnah
To Pakistanis, Muhammad Ali Jinnah is revered, known as Quaid-e-Azam, or 'Great Leader.' He is their George Washington, their de Gaulle, their Churchill.A brilliant lawyer by trade, he rose to the forefront of the struggle for a Muslim nation as India negotiated its independence from Britain.But his insistence on a separate Muslim state to be carved out of the former British India earned him many enemies.Indeed, the last viceroy of India under British rule, Lord Mountbatten thwarted by Jinnah's relentless call for partition plans of the future states of India and Pakistan referred to him variously as a 'lunatic', an 'evil genius,' and a 'bastard'.Today, many in the West view Jinnah through the eyes of Richard Attenborough's movie 'Gandhi,' in which the Muslim leader was portrayed as a cold villain who wanted a separate Pakistan only for his own political aggrandizement.However history may judge him, his own contribution to history cannot be doubted.
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
nabeel bhai,
nabeel117 said:
Contra bhai,

What does "Mahatma" literally means? I think its a Sanskirit word :?:

Mahatma --- Great Soul.

(Maha - Great, Atma(n)- Soul)
 

nabeel117

Councller (250+ posts)
contra said:
nabeel bhai,
nabeel117 said:
Contra bhai,

What does "Mahatma" literally means? I think its a Sanskirit word :?:

Mahatma --- Great Soul.

(Maha - Great, Atma(n)- Soul)

it is similar in usage to the modern Christian term saint [A saint (from the Latin sanctus) is a human being who is believed to have been 'called' to holiness or has, consciously or unconsciously, fulfilled the criteria set for sainthood by a religious institution]....... Reason to call him a Mahatama? Was he a religious leader or a political leader or a lawyer.

This epithet is commonly applied to prominent people like Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi and Jyotirao Phule.

Have ne idea on....

The word Mahatma, used in a technical sense, was popularised in theosophical literature in the late 19th century when Madame Helena P. Blavatsky, one of the founders of the Theosophical Society, claimed that her teachers were adepts or Mahatmas who reside in Tibet.
 

nabeel117

Councller (250+ posts)
Contra Bhai,

All the coevals you mentioned are actually his rivals so how can you do justice by listening his opponents' views against him :o

Please come up with some neutral witness rather than Hostile one as logically done by commander in his reply
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
Here is Jaswant's view of Jinnah. An interview taken 2 days before the launch of the book. The book took research of 5 years. Which included taken into account what Jinnah's coevals thought of him.

Summary:
Jinnah no demon. Great Indian. India demonises him for obvious reasons.
Jinnah wanted to keep religion out of the politics but changed his view after congress brought in religion in politics.
Nehru miss read the situation and wanted the total india. Jinnah was Ok with having Pakistan with in India, if there were provinces in India with the maximum autonomy.
Nehru and Sardar did not want he provincial autonomy. This would have resulted in Hindu domination on a federal basis. Gandhi agreed with Jinnah and was Ok witht he provincial autonomy. Nehure and Sardar became obstacles to this notion. Hence Pakistan came into existence. Nehru was later on regretful of his appraoch.

As per Jaswant, muslims are not treated equally in contemporary India.

He thinks both Jinnah and Gandhi thought that they were not successful in achieving waht they actually desired.

The interview covers all the topics mentioned above. Very interesting interview.


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWLsKTZ-BNg&feature=channel[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZbbf5EGIIw&feature=channel[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAh-7RAATY8&feature=channel[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-x4FYC8hA&feature=channel[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3KzN0ayPrg&feature=channel[/video]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHen7RilCQU&feature=channel[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIgw8_pXMbI&feature=channel[/video]

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0IZXu2anrw&feature=channel[/video]
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
nabeel bhai,
I have clearly written that i have taken this article from a newspaper. This was taken from the physical newspaper not from online website.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
contra said:
nabeel bhai,
I have clearly written that i have taken this article from a newspaper. This was taken from the physical newspaper not from online website.


I think that nabeel is saying that you should have picked up a balanced article not a bias one.
May be you just wanted to inform people of this particualr article. You did not want to demonize Jinnah.
 

nabeel117

Councller (250+ posts)
sher_khan said:
contra said:
nabeel bhai,
I have clearly written that i have taken this article from a newspaper. This was taken from the physical newspaper not from online website.


I think that nabeel is saying that you should have picked up a balanced article not a bias one.
May be you just wanted to inform people of this particualr article. You did not want to demonize Jinnah.
@Contra:
From a newspaper, No issue at all, I was asking to produce similar views from some sources having a non-Indian origin........

or in other words as Sher Khan elaborates........
 

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