Villagers bemused by hunt for bin Laden's trail

[simple_and_peacefull]

source of news : the express news
dated : 8/5/11

Pakistani boys collect debris at the site of the crashed helicopter outside the hideout house of Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden following his death. PHOTO:AFP
CHAK SHAH MOHAMMAD: Residents of a quiet Pakistani village were bemused on Sunday to find themselves at the centre of the investigation of the secret life of Osama bin Laden, saying there was no way that the al Qaeda leader lived there without them knowing.
Chak Shah Mohammad village is near the town of Abbottabad where bin Laden was tracked down and killed in a raid by U.S. special forces on May 2, nearly 10 years after he orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.
One of his wives, found along with a gaggle of children in a high-walled compound where he had been hiding, told Pakistani investigators they used to live in Chak Shah Mohammad before moving to Abbottabad five years ago.
That brought the attention of a horde of reporters and Pakistani security agents hunting for clues to the movements of the worlds most wanted man during his decade in hiding.
But residents of the village at the end of a bumpy road flanked by fields of wheat are both puzzled and a little scared to find themselves at the focus of the investigation.
Everyone in the village knows when a cow has a calf so how could bin Laden and his family hide here? Mohammad Naseer, a 65-year-old retired soldier, said as he took a break from working his fields.
I can say for sure he wasnt here.
The village is made up of about 120 small, brick buildings, homes and sheds, and has a population of about 400 people, although many have left for work in cities.
Its impossible Everyone knows each other, said government worker Hafiz Rafiq.
Were all from the same clan so if a guest comes to someones house, the whole place knows, said Rafiq, who rushed home on hearing the village was under the spotlight.
Men and women were on Sunday cutting the first harvest of their rain-fed wheat crop. Farming folk walking along the roadside carrying sheathes of grain watched as city cars carrying curious media people passed by.
Cave dwellings
Reporters have zeroed in on cave-like dwellings built into sandy banks in the village.
Bin Laden had a long history of living in caves. He helped build an underground complex in the mountains of Afghanistan during the war against Soviet invaders in the 1980s and later took refuge in caves as U.S. B-52 aircraft rained down bombs in the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks.
For years since the 9/11 attacks, bin Laden was believed to be hiding in caves in the Hindu Kush mountains.
The tunnel rooms in Chak Shah Mohammad were built by poor folk decades ago, at first for living in but they later used them as stables for their cows.
It seems impossible that the worlds most wanted man and his family would have been able to hide out in them.
You could stay here but you couldnt hide because people are passing by all the time, said schoolboy Waqas Haider.
But it is not just flocks of reporters who have rushed to the village hoping to put together the pieces of bin Ladens lost years.
Pakistani security agents have also been going house to house, searching for clues.
Police never used to come to our doors but now these guys are turning up all suspicious of us, said school teacher Ahmed Sultan.
My young kids are asking Dad what happened, what did you do? he said. We have nothing to do with bin Laden. Were Pakistani We dont feel anything for him.
But others think their spell in the media glare is all a bit of a joke.
Have you found Osama yet? one man sitting with friends by the road shouted at a passing car of reporters, to a chorus of cackles from his pals.

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

What bin Laden, Geronimo shared

source of news : chicago tribune
dated : 8/5/11

Native American leaders are upset that Geronimo's name was used as code for Osama bin Laden. I respect their concern, but I don't think this particular reference is the insult tribal leaders think it is.

Quite the opposite, it sounds to me like a salute to the Apache warrior's leadership genius and his tribe's organizational success.

To understand why, do what they do at the supersecret U.S. Joint Special Operations Command that oversees Navy SEAL Team Six, the commandos who found bin Laden: Look past the obvious differences between Geronimo and bin Laden and examine what they shared in common.

Each was a charismatic, leader-by-example of a decentralized organizational structure that long-stymied much mightier and formally organized armies. The Apache style of organization shared power, nimble execution, motivated by leaders who led by example more than by command enabled Geronimo and earlier Apache leaders to hold off the mighty Spanish and United States armies for 200 years, long after the great Inca and Aztec civilizations fell.

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That's how Geronimo is described in a 2006 book that is said to be a must-read for those trying to think outside the box at JSOC: "The Starfish and the Spider: The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations" by California entrepreneurs Ori Brafman and Rod A. Beckstrom.

The book's central metaphor is this: If you cut off a spider's head, it dies; but if you cut off a leg of certain types of starfish, it grows a new one and that leg can grow into an entirely new starfish.

What do they all have in common? Loosely defined organizational structure, widely shared power and a leadership that acts as a motivational catalyst, not a top-down command structure, just for starters.

The Apache under Geronimo and today's al-Qaida are starfish organizations. But so are Alcoholics Anonymous, craigslist, eBay, Napster, the tea party movement and the Internet.

In fact, the Internet age increasingly seems to be characterized in many ways by starfish organizations trying mightily to avoid being brought down by the urge to become more organized.

Since it is hard for us products of old-school, top-down, spider-style organizations to grasp the seemingly nimble new wave of "leaderless organizations," Brafman and Beckstrom say they have been invited to speak in military circles too secret for them to talk much about.

When I reached the two authors by telephone, they told me they were as surprised as I was to hear "Geronimo" pop up as bin Laden's code name. Although they have talked to top military officials and SEAL Team Six commandos in the past, they have no way of knowing how the commanders name their missions and, as Sen. Tom Udall, a New Mexico Democrat, found out in an inquiry this past week, the Pentagon is not talking.

At a Senate hearing on "the impact of racist stereotypes on indigenous people" that already was scheduled before the bin Laden raid occurred, Udall, who chaired the hearing, received an earful. Among others, Harlyn Geronimo, a great grandson of the Apache warrior, called for an apology and the expunging of this use of his family's name from government records.

I sympathize. Indians have had to put up with many irritating stereotypes over the years. I can only imagine how I would feel about, say, the "Cleveland Negroes."

Yet, in view of their training, the code-naming of bin Laden sounds like an appropriate sign of respect for Geronimo's genius. More than a century after his death we still have lessons to learn from his leadership and organizational style and clues as to how to handle a post-bin Laden al-Qaida.

"The big question now is whether al-Qaida will become even more decentralized with bin Laden gone," said Brafman. "Will they become even harder to predict and catch?"

Indeed, the irony of "leaderless" organizations is the "dis-economics of scale." Starfish organizations tend to thrive on smallness, disorganization and dispersion, three qualities of al-Qaida after bin Laden.

That could help explain why President Barack Obama decided not to "spike the football" by releasing bin Laden's after-death photos or displaying any other provocation that might unnecessarily fan resentments in the Muslim world. Starfish organizations thrive on motivational leaders, sometimes from beyond the grave. No need to make bin Laden more of a martyr.

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

Re: What bin Laden, Geronimo shared

was bin Laden really Geronimo for USA.

 

[basent]

Re: What bin Laden, Geronimo shared

no comment ''''''''''''''''''''''''''

 

[digitalzygot]

US drama will be exposed sooner or later

 

[chitra]

Re: What bin Laden, Geronimo shared

source of news : chicago tribune
dated : 8/5/11

Native American leaders are upset that Geronimo's name was used as code for Osama bin Laden. I respect their concern, but I don't think this particular reference is the insult tribal leaders think it is.

Quite the opposite, it sounds to me like a salute to the Apache warrior's leadership genius and his tribe's organizational success.

To understand why, do what they do at the supersecret U.S. Joint Special Operations Command that oversees Navy SEAL Team Six, the commandos who found bin Laden: Look past the obvious differences between Geronimo and bin Laden and examine what they shared in common.

Each was a charismatic, leader-by-example of a decentralized organizational structure that long-stymied much mightier and formally organized armies. The Apache style of organization shared power, nimble execution, motivated by leaders who led by example more than by command enabled Geronimo and earlier Apache leaders to hold off the mighty Spanish and United States armies for 200 years, long after the great Inca and Aztec civilizations fell.

Check out our crossword, sudoku and Jumble puzzles >>

That's how Geronimo is described in a 2006 book that is said to be a must-read for those trying to think outside the box at JSOC: "The Starfish and the Spider: The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations" by California entrepreneurs Ori Brafman and Rod A. Beckstrom.

The book's central metaphor is this: If you cut off a spider's head, it dies; but if you cut off a leg of certain types of starfish, it grows a new one and that leg can grow into an entirely new starfish.

What do they all have in common? Loosely defined organizational structure, widely shared power and a leadership that acts as a motivational catalyst, not a top-down command structure, just for starters.

The Apache under Geronimo and today's al-Qaida are starfish organizations. But so are Alcoholics Anonymous, craigslist, eBay, Napster, the tea party movement and the Internet.

In fact, the Internet age increasingly seems to be characterized in many ways by starfish organizations trying mightily to avoid being brought down by the urge to become more organized.

Since it is hard for us products of old-school, top-down, spider-style organizations to grasp the seemingly nimble new wave of "leaderless organizations," Brafman and Beckstrom say they have been invited to speak in military circles too secret for them to talk much about.

When I reached the two authors by telephone, they told me they were as surprised as I was to hear "Geronimo" pop up as bin Laden's code name. Although they have talked to top military officials and SEAL Team Six commandos in the past, they have no way of knowing how the commanders name their missions and, as Sen. Tom Udall, a New Mexico Democrat, found out in an inquiry this past week, the Pentagon is not talking.

At a Senate hearing on "the impact of racist stereotypes on indigenous people" that already was scheduled before the bin Laden raid occurred, Udall, who chaired the hearing, received an earful. Among others, Harlyn Geronimo, a great grandson of the Apache warrior, called for an apology and the expunging of this use of his family's name from government records.

I sympathize. Indians have had to put up with many irritating stereotypes over the years. I can only imagine how I would feel about, say, the "Cleveland Negroes."

Yet, in view of their training, the code-naming of bin Laden sounds like an appropriate sign of respect for Geronimo's genius. More than a century after his death we still have lessons to learn from his leadership and organizational style and clues as to how to handle a post-bin Laden al-Qaida.

"The big question now is whether al-Qaida will become even more decentralized with bin Laden gone," said Brafman. "Will they become even harder to predict and catch?"

Indeed, the irony of "leaderless" organizations is the "dis-economics of scale." Starfish organizations tend to thrive on smallness, disorganization and dispersion, three qualities of al-Qaida after bin Laden.

That could help explain why President Barack Obama decided not to "spike the football" by releasing bin Laden's after-death photos or displaying any other provocation that might unnecessarily fan resentments in the Muslim world. Starfish organizations thrive on motivational leaders, sometimes from beyond the grave. No need to make bin Laden more of a martyr.

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100 per cent OBL died much before . now it is usa turn to proof that they kill OBL on 2nd may . many people have doubt but this but this debit is overshadow by cia vs isi. publicly they confront each other but indirectly they support each other . i have simple question if any one give answer of it
1) In the present of drone attack threat why OBL kept his 11 children and 3 wives with himself in just one attack of drone whole family will finish in seconds.
2) Every terrorist kept one way for escape this is not happen in this case .
3) why not he kept a smart bomb and in last stage he kill 30 to 40 usa marine with himself. or at least kept two or three suicide bomber in this compound .
4) How usa know operation duration less then 40 minutes . what happen if they face stiff resistance from OBL and co. and operation last up to hours and what is back plan when pak army or local police or local population came action.
5) they say they a chance of 60 to 80 present of present of OBL . can u imagine on chance of 60 percent usa President and his whole team leave their whole work and sit in front of big screen . And imagine if 40 to 50 usa marine has died and OBL able to escape in that case obma even may not able to contest a seat of counselor thier is lot of doubt in usa stories .

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

Re: What bin Laden, Geronimo shared

Dose any one from our world have ablity to ask aa-mar-rica for a proof I don't think so.
Only it's own nation can ask for proof if nation want.

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100 per cent OBL died much before . now it is usa turn to proof that they kill OBL on 2nd may . many people have doubt but this but this debit is overshadow by cia vs isi. publicly they confront each other but indirectly they support each other . i have simple question if any one give answer of it
1) In the present of drone attack threat why OBL kept his 11 children and 3 wives with himself in just one attack of drone whole family will finish in seconds.
2) Every terrorist kept one way for escape this is not happen in this case .
3) why not he kept a smart bomb and in last stage he kill 30 to 40 usa marine with himself. or at least kept two or three suicide bomber in this compound .
4) How usa know operation duration less then 40 minutes . what happen if they face stiff resistance from OBL and co. and operation last up to hours and what is back plan when pak army or local police or local population came action.
5) they say they a chance of 60 to 80 present of present of OBL . can u imagine on chance of 60 percent usa President and his whole team leave their whole work and sit in front of big screen . And imagine if 40 to 50 usa marine has died and OBL able to escape in that case obma even may not able to contest a seat of counselor thier is lot of doubt in usa stories .

 

[simple_and_peacefull]

Bin Laden death great for Muslims: Pakistani rocker

source of news: Dawn
dated :8/5/11

The rock star, whose band Junoon is one of the most popular acts in South Asia with more than 30 million albums sold, said Pakistanis felt humiliated that the world's most-wanted man resided in the garrison town of Abbottabad. File Photo

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WASHINGTON: Pakistani musician Salman Ahmad has hailed Osama bin Ladens death as a victory for the Islamic world and demanded accountability over how the al Qaeda chief lived in his country for years.
The rock star, whose band Junoon is one of the most popular acts in South Asia with more than 30 million albums sold, said Pakistanis felt humiliated that the worlds most-wanted man resided in the garrison town of Abbottabad.
In the last 1,400 years of Islamic history, there has rarely been a man or woman Muslim or non-Muslim who has caused more damage to Muslims around the world than Osama bin Laden, Ahmad, who recently performed in Washington, told AFP.
On 9/11, those terrorists who flew the planes into the buildings overnight hijacked Islam so that anything that has to do with Islam, anything that has to do with Muslim culture, would be equated now with the face of Osama bin Laden.
So he being taken out in a military operation I think is a great thing for the Muslim world as well as the planet, he said.
A team of elite US Navy SEALs swooped secretly into Abbottabad on May 2, shooting dead bin Laden nearly 10 years after the September 11, 2001 attacks.
Ahmad said he had massive questions including how bin Laden lived a stones throw from Pakistans top military academy and why he apparently felt safe enough to maintain minimum protection.
He also asked how the military and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) did not detect a US operation deep into Pakistani territory.
Are you saying that everybody is so incompetent, everybody was asleep? he said. This was Osama bin Laden, man.
If there was any other country where this happened the intelligence failure on Osama and the intelligence failure on the US operation the first thing the president would do is ask for the resignation of the intelligence chief and ask many questions of the army chief, he said.
Pakistan, for its own in-house accountability, needs to ask these questions of its leaders, he said. You have a military chief, an ISI chief all of these people are at the end of the day supposed to be answerable to the people. Ahmad is not a newcomer to the issue. In the 1990s, Pakistani television banned Junoons song Ehtesaab (Accountability), whose accompanying video mercilessly mocked corruption by the countrys leaders.
Ahmad, 47, left a medical career to lead Junoon, which means passion in Urdu. He now teaches music at the City University of New Yorks Queens College but returns regularly to Pakistan to perform and lead humanitarian efforts.
He teamed up with Peter Gabriel for the song Open Your Eyes, with each download contributing funds for survivors of the floods that devastated Pakistan last year.
In a recent autobiography entitled Rock n Roll Jihad, Ahmad counted Led Zeppelin among his influences but saw himself in the tradition of Sufism the mystical movement in Islam. The books title, he said, was part of his effort to take back the word jihad, or struggle, from extremists.
Sufi shrines have faced a wave of attacks in recent years in Pakistan, part of the violence that has left thousands dead.
Ahmad dismissed the significance of the violence and recalled Baba Bulleh Shah, the Punjabi Sufi poet who was branded a heretic and denied an Islamic burial when he died in 1757.
But hundred of years later there are hundreds of thousands of people who go to Baba Bulleh Shahs shrine in the Pakistani city of Kasur, he said.
They can blow up a shrine and get on the media radar, he said. But despite their disruption, society has a resilience that is shown throughout the centuries. Ahmad traveled to Washington for a recent concert by Sufis from the Indian city of Ajmer who performed qawwali, the voice-bending devotional music popularized overseas by the late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.
Ahmad joined in with his guitar, jamming with the Ajmer Sufis for his rendition of Baba Bulleh Shahs celebrated poem, I Know Not Who I Am, which criticized doctrinairism.
Sufism is not some sort of trend. Its been there for centuries and its the glue of this region, he said.
You have these snapshots of political turmoil and extremism, but at the end of the day what keeps society together is this sort of deep cultural unity.

 

[M_Adnan.L]

'Osamas computer data is size of a small college library'

Updated on Monday, May 09, 2011, 23:48
Islamabad: The Central Investigation Agency (CIA) believes the computer data recovered from Osama bin Ladens Abbottabad compound in Pakistan is about the size of a small college library, White House National Security Advisor Tom Donilon has said.

This is the largest cache of intelligence derived from the scene of any single terrorist. Its about the size, the CIA tells us, of a small college library, the Dawn quoted Donilon, as saying.


If we develop any information about planning or imminent threats, obviously, we will act on this, he added.

Terming bin Ladens killing as a victory, Donilon said that the United States had taken an important step in bringing down his terrorist organization.

Donilon also said it was absolutely critical for Americans to remain vigilant as we continue to press this organization, but added that America is trying to find the whereabouts of Ayman al-Zawahiri, long considered Al-Qaedas number two.

Meanwhile, 17 suspected terrorists have been killed as the US military chiefs ramped up their mission to destroy the al-Qaeda following bin Ladens death in Pakistan.

The drone attacks were launched in Pakistan and Yemen based on information gleaned by the CIA from computers found at bin Ladens compound.

 

[M_Adnan.L]

Osama was hooked to herbal Viagra: Wife

Islamabad: Osama bin Ladens fifth wife has claimed that the killed al Qaeda leader was not on kidney dialysis, but used to take Viagra during his stay in his Pakistani compound.

Insisting that bin Laden used to take the herbal impotence drug, Amal al-Sadeh, who was shot in the leg when SEALs burst into their bedroom and killed the terror leader, said: "He believed in his own medication."

Osama bin Laden wasn't on kidney dialysis - but he did need a herbal impotence drug.


The New York Daily News quoted the Yemeni woman as saying that her husband had fully recovered from two kidney surgeries a decade ago, and that he needed no dialysis before his death, but cured himself with his own regimen, which included watermelons.

It was also reported that the Saudis had hired an assassin to poison bin Laden in 1999, and the toxin gave him kidney failure.

In January 2002, then-Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf had also claimed that the terrorist leader had probably already died of kidney failure, and that he needed to travel with two dialysis machines.

Now however, evidence from the medicine cabinet in bin Laden's hideout has revealed that he was not that weak as he was expected to be.

"He was neither weak nor frail," 29-year-old Sadeh said.

The medicines that were found in the compound reportedly included drugs to treat shingles, ulcers, nerve pain, high blood pressure, and Avena syrup, an extract of wild oats that is marketed as a natural "Viagra.

http://www.zeenews.com/news705176.html

 

[lllcolumbuslll]

Re: Osama was hooked to herbal Viagra: Wife

dont post junk news ( zee news ). dont waste your time and others. jo dil kerta hai copy kia aur paste ker dia. fazool

 

[Mullah Omar]

Re: Osama was hooked to herbal Viagra: Wife

Indian media is a disgrace to humanity. Please provide a genuine news source next time you post.

 

[Fursan]

Osama bin Laden raid reenacted in Counter Strike

The Osama bin Laden operation in Abbottabad has prompted some adventurous gamers to replicate the Al Qaeda leaders compound as a new mission map for the popular first-person shooter video game, Counter Strike.

The map allows gamers to play the role of either counter-terrorists or terrorists in a re-enactment of the actual Bin Laden operation.
Gamers can play the map in both single player, as well as multi-player mode.

According to review site bitthirsty.com:

The map looks to be accurate and ideal for bomb or hostage based missions. So until you can get your hands on that live feed of the operation, you can satisfy your dark curiosity by firing up Counter Strike: Source and doing some extra-judicial exploring of your own.

The development of the new map was possible due to the highly customizable nature of the game which allows users to install or even create their own custom skins, HUDs, sprites, and sound effects.

The Osama bin Laden compound mod is available now via user Fletch on GameBanna.com as a 1MB download.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/164989/osama-bin-laden-raid-reenacted-on-counter-strike/