To Contra

Dear Contra,

Faith is something one attains when all the questions and suspicions are locked in a box; and you drop the box in the deepest of oceans and throw away the key. However, this applies to the core beliefs that never change. What does change is interpretation of the code of life that instils and regulates the society at large. We have 4 imams and they have different interpretation of the religion and we follow either of them e.g. Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shahafi etc.

Having said that, I must now refer you to your earlier post, which details the sections from the Constitution, and you have unjustly labelled them as "blasphemy laws". I would reiterate that such sensational statements serve no one; such provocation is a redundant exercise that is fruitless and a waste of time. On the contrary they deter most reasonable people from a rational debate; as faith is something that is very personal and dear to not only Muslims but to people of other faiths also and in such matters people do get emotional and rightly so.

But the issue here is not personal beliefs. The issue you raise is that in Pakistan there are blasphemy laws which are contrary to the idea of a democratic society. I stand firm in opposing this view. I must point out that hate laws or racial incitement is a crime in most countries; the very countries that might even be regarded as liberal democracies in your dictionary. And when it comes to the issue of laws, I must let it be known that law is what it is; and not what it ought to be. A country, keeping in mind its culture, heritage, history and countless other things, legislate according to those aforementioned needs and caters to its population. A legislature may pass any law it sees fit and if the people of that country consent to it then no outsider has any right to opine on its legality or morality. Let me be very clear here and address you, and any other who disagree with the passages you quoted, and say that there is nothing wrong in preserving the sanctity of Islam as our religion, the stature of Prophet Muhammad (May peace and blessing of Allah be upon Him) and to protect and preserve our way of life! Pakistan is not a secular state; it is Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the law of the land should protect, preserve and respect Islam.

And those who live within your borders must, and I reiterate must, adhere to our laws. Islam tells me to adhere to the laws of the country that I am in, regardless of the countrys religious inclinations, save for in instances that may break the Shariah law. So, if the law of the land, in Germany, does not permit a Muslim to over speed and he breaks that law then he is in breach of Shariah law. But if, to give an extreme example, the British Parliament legislates to make every person have a glass of wine before dinner then we are not to obey that law and then Quran tells us to leave that country and go reside in a place where we can freely practice our religion because (to the nearest meaning) Allah has made a big earth and you should then move to a more suitable place. So, if I can agree with the laws of Great Britain or Germany or Spain then people of other nationalities should respect the laws of my country. You cannot and should not label them as hate laws or as curtailment of freedom of speech. And if I am told to move to another country should my beliefs clash with the law of the land then those who do not agree with the laws of an Islamic State are free to move elsewhere too. Ignorance of the law is not a defence; and I must also say that ignorance of ones feelings regarding ones religion is abhorred universally.

Coming back to my first point regarding faith I must say that we are protecting and preserving and respecting our faith. That is our faith, our religion, our way of life, and our past, present and future. Without it we cannot exist and we shall be destined to the dustbins of history and hell. And there is nothing wrong in preserving your faith and there is everything wrong in criticising laws or measures that one takes to protect and safeguard ones faith and religion.

I must also say that calling such laws blasphemy laws has greatly offended me and I would ask you, in all reasonableness, to render an apology or, at least, retract the statement.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in the passages of the constitution that you quoted. They are morally, ethically, legally, socially, religiously, historically and culturally correct and the mere fact that I have to defend them is nothing but a reflection on the prejudices that you harbour.

Regards,

Ebu
 

kmaabbasi

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
why are u wasting your time on this guy he is the decendent of feroan, so if moses could not conviced them how can you?
 

A.Ali

Voter (50+ posts)
Well said Shoaib, I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't think Shoaib is trying to convince anyone, he is only educating contra, whom ever he is, and trying to tell others how to present your case in a more civilized way. Once again well said.
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Ebu bhai,

1. Definition of Blasphemy-
* Main Entry: blasphemy
* Pronunciation: \?blas-f?-m?\
* Function: noun
* Inflected Form(s): plural blasphemies
* Date: 13th century

1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable

Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blasphemy

2. If a person says anything against your God, Allah or your prophet, Mo', he will be liable for punishment under the Sections of your Constitution which were referred to earlier.
If a person speaks against your God, Allah or your prophet, he is being blasphemous.
To prevent such an act, you have passed certain laws. So these become Blasphemy Laws. So what is wrong here???
Why are you saying that i should not call them Blasphemy Laws???

3. The reason for using the word "Draconian" was due to the fact that a death penalty is prescribed in these laws.

4. What do you call these laws??? Kindly inform me.

Misuse of B******** Laws:
i> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1522285 ... slims.html

ii> http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... -43.0.html
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Dear All,

-Contra is an Atheist and doesn't believe in any Religion more precisely "God".his ideals are layman's like Richard Dawkins and Christopher hitchens and he's inspired by their psychopath and insane assumptions and satan derived illogical,irrational and absurd theory of Absence of High and Superior Authority "Allah".his views should demand pity as one would normally feel for any disabled and one have this sense of helping such a person so long as that person himself also wishes to be helped,but all efforts put together yield no outcome if such a person is all too much demonically possessed by such misinformation..

-Allah is superior to all HIS creations,HIS creations have a beginning and an end but Allah being a Creator of all the Worlds,all the known and un-known Species of animals and all what we see around is not bound to any time and space,Allah is Omni-present ,All Knowing and doesn't require any help for all the things being happening all around us.Allah is One to WHOM belongs the Absolute power.

-Nothing happens in this world by itself be it anything,behind every thing is a logic and explanation,,science provides a lot of explanations and the biggest Explanation to even science is Provided by "The Holy Quran"..Existence of this world (big bang theory),how the mountains are acting as pegs to hold earth together in balance ,Partition of seas with no physical barrier,The Sun and Moon being ultimate source of light without these man can not even anticipate to thrive,The human reproductive cycle(Embryology)so beautifully explained in The Holy Quran which scientists are now acknowledging and so on and so forth..

-All the humans put together can not even produce a fly,,yet they keep stubborn to their delusional and absurd theories which have been debunked time and time again.

-We Muslims submit to all HIS commands rewards and punishments together.and we testify of Allah the Only true God and we all(Muslims) worship HIM.
 
Dear Contra,

Firstly, it's Prophet Muhammad (May peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him) not Prophet Mo'. Be careful and respectful of our faith and His stature.


Secondly, Contra, you seem to pick and choose random things from my replies and post them in a sensational manner. Read the whole article and read it in the context that it is written. I am here not to argue but to simply judge things dispassionately; though I must admit that I do so through the lens of my moral and religious compass.

Lastly, draconian or not; the law is the law. As I wrote that law is what it is and not what it ought to be. My religion and faith allows the death penalty in some circumstances and under extremely strict and stringent conditions; which, if not met, can not allow the courts to sentence someone to death. I believe in and endorse the Islamic system of using sanctions as an aid to the criminal justice system insofar as it deters people from committing more crime. And I shall follow what my religion tells me. After all, without such surrender there is no faith.

My faith is my faith; my religion is Islam; my Allah is my saviour; My Prophet Muhammad (May peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him) is my Prophet and there is nothing draconian about my faith. You may not agree and write to me detailing the opposite; making use of sensationalising and random quotes and evidence from biased sources but it will not help anyone. I can label several Hindu practices draconian like the way they treat their widows and burying of girls but I shall reserve my judgement. I realise the importance of liberty and freedom and above all the religious sentiment people harbour. I know better than that.

Ebu
 

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