Taking from the poor, giving to the stock brokers – who is PTI’s priority?

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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The incumbent government of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has just increased the price of petrol by Rs4.26 per litre and it intends to introduce more indirect taxes in the upcoming budget in order to minimise the deficit in the budget. However, surprisingly, recently the PTI government approved a package of around Rs20 billion for stock exchange brokers and it was termed as a package to end the uncertainty in the Pakistan Stock Exchange and give confidence to the stock market.

However, since the package is actually being given to the wealthier stock brokers, it begs the question that at a time when the PTI government is burdening the poor masses with indirect taxes and slashing the development budget, why has it given such a luxurious package to the people who have minted billions from stock purchasing and selling? At the same time, the development budget of Punjab has been slashed and the higher education commission is also suffering from a lack of funds.

Given the current economic turmoil, giving a relief package to the speculators who control the market seems to be a destructive move by the PTI. It is actually an indication that the PTI government is still only vying for the optics and its economic advisory council is repeating the same old formula of General Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf brought about an artificial boomthrough consumer financing and by pumping money into the stock exchange. Since money was pumped in artificially, the stock market profit was only limited to the bigwigs of the market and it never had any trickle-down effect.

This problem has actually plagued Pakistan since the time of General Ayub Khan. His policy of creating a manufactured boom in the stock market and reliance on nepotism meant that since then, big corporations have always aligned themselves with the party in power in order to further their vested interests. As a result, these well-informed businessmen and stock market brokers always know which way the wind will blow and they smartly always invest in the electoral campaign of the political party which is likely to win the general elections.

Instead of making the stock market free of the influence of a few select individuals, the PTI government is actually working with Ayub’s formula of rewarding the big guns. During Ayub’s era, only his cronies had control of the market and if such policies endure, we will find ourselves back in that era. It is common knowledge that Jahangir Tareen has been heavily involved in the stock market and that he also enjoys cordial relations with many major stock brokers. In fact, many of these individuals funded PTI’s electoral campaign, so it seems like it is payback time for the PTI government.

With Tareen acting as a defacto deputy prime minister, PTI seems to have forgotten about the masses that brought the party into power. The country has seen a surge in the prices of everyday commodities, even during the month of Ramazan, and we have not received any relief package to tackle the mounting inflation. The stock market will never be strengthened if only a privileged few keep controlling the market.

To improve the stock market, the PTI government will need to increase business activity in the country through investment. Imran always talked about ending the monopoly of a few influential individuals in every department of Pakistan, but right now he is helping them by bailing them out. Perhaps he thinks that by appeasing the major influencers of the business world, he will win the confidence of the business community. The greater monopoly these individuals will enjoy in the stock market, the less the chances will be for common investors and businessmen to flourish.

It appears that a few people in the business community enjoy good relations in the corridors of power and receive lucrative benefits on that basis. The trust of an investor cannot be won by rewarding only a few blue-eyed brokers. PTI was not given the mandate to oblige the already wealthy stock exchange brokers and to tax the already poor masses. Such schemes show that PTI is only interested in rewarding a few influential individuals, just like other political parties do when they come in power.

Such special packages are needed in the domain of education and other social sectors. We have recently seen the brutal incident at the Sahiwal hospital where many infants died because the air-conditioning system of the hospital stopped working while the country was suffering from an intense heat wave. Perhaps PTI and Imran both need to realise that these kinds of incidents create a greater sense of deprivation among the masses, especially when they see that wealthy businessmen are getting special relief packages while the rest of the nation is left at the mercy of inflation and price hikes. Through its economic policies, PTI needs to decide whether it is a government for the people or a government for the elite.

 
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RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
او کوی نہیں اوے یہ بات نہیں -اصل بات یہ ہے کہ کھوتے کو کچھ پتا نہیں امیر کی ساتھ کیا کرنا ہے غریب کے ساتھ کیا کرنا ہے کرنا کیا ہے --- سٹاک والوں کو اس لئے پکیج دے دیا کہ روز سٹاک کی خبریں ٹی وی پر چلتی ہیں اور گرتی اسٹاک مارکیٹ کے ساتھ ہر روز منہ گندا ہوتا ہے
 

Diesel

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
او کوی نہیں اوے یہ بات نہیں -اصل بات یہ ہے کہ کھوتے کو کچھ پتا نہیں امیر کی ساتھ کیا کرنا ہے غریب کے ساتھ کیا کرنا ہے کرنا کیا ہے --- سٹاک والوں کو اس لئے پکیج دے دیا کہ روز سٹاک کی خبریں ٹی وی پر چلتی ہیں اور گرتی اسٹاک مارکیٹ کے ساتھ ہر روز منہ گندا ہوتا ہے
raja jee be petient ?
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Raja Sahib
Please share steps to bring back PMLN into power and let them keep making Pakistan Asian tiger?
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
او کوی نہیں اوے یہ بات نہیں -اصل بات یہ ہے کہ کھوتے کو کچھ پتا نہیں امیر کی ساتھ کیا کرنا ہے غریب کے ساتھ کیا کرنا ہے کرنا کیا ہے --- سٹاک والوں کو اس لئے پکیج دے دیا کہ روز سٹاک کی خبریں ٹی وی پر چلتی ہیں اور گرتی اسٹاک مارکیٹ کے ساتھ ہر روز منہ گندا ہوتا ہے
Can you give us the details of the 20 billion rupees being given to the stock brokers? Because if Im reading it correctly, your posts seem to imply that an amount of 20 billion rupees will be disbursed to the stock brokers. Please clarify if that is the case. If not, please provide details of the way the money will be disbursed.

PS. If you dont know, please dont pretend to know, and be man enough to admit it.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Can you give us the details of the 20 billion rupees being given to the stock brokers? Because if Im reading it correctly, your posts seem to imply that an amount of 20 billion rupees will be disbursed to the stock brokers. Please clarify if that is the case. If not, please provide details of the way the money will be disbursed.

PS. If you dont know, please dont pretend to know, and be man enough to admit it.
I will do the research an give you the details. This was done last week, which brought the market up temporarily. Not in position to do it right away. but be patient. i am not running away from this. It will be in this very thread.
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I will do the research an give you the details. This was done last week, which brought the market up temporarily. Not in position to do it right away. but be patient. i am not running away from this. It will be in this very thread.
I would have expected you to have done it prior to posting this thread. But this is not the first time you have used the 'shoot first, think later' approach.

In any case, this 20 billion rupees is not being given to any brokers. It is a fund, that will be parked in the NIT (National investment trust). NIT is a fund which invests in govt owned stocks only. The fund will be activated if market speculation affects govt entities, and NIT will use this fund to buy shares of govt owned entities to protect their prices from becoming victims to speculators. This is similar to a default fund that exists in most major stock exchanges in the world. Nothing new about it.

Generally the default fund is partly funded by the govt, and partly by the brokers....and it applies to all the stocks that are traded on the exchange. In Pakistan;'s case, since the govt is funding this entirely, it will only apply to govt owned stocks. Fair enough?

PS. This has been done in the past as well, for the same purpose. This is nothing new, and certainly not meant to put cash in the pockets of brokers, as you, or the article writer implied.
 
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Hate_Nooras

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I will do the research an give you the details. This was done last week, which brought the market up temporarily. Not in position to do it right away. but be patient. i am not running away from this. It will be in this very thread.
So you are posting stuff as usual without the faintest idea what you are posting. Btw do you know what a TT is?
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
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I will do the research an give you the details. This was done last week, which brought the market up temporarily. Not in position to do it right away. but be patient. i am not running away from this. It will be in this very thread.

It was just announced and not yet invested.

But still it is a profitable investment. In the past as well govt had invested and was in profit.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I would have expected you to have done it prior to posting this thread. But this is not the first time you have used the 'shoot first, think later' approach.

In any case, this 20 billion rupees is not being given to any brokers. It is a fund, that will be parked in the NIT (National investment trust). NIT is a fund which invests in govt owned stocks only. The fund will be activated if market speculation affects govt entities, and NIT will use this fund to buy shares of govt owned entities to protect their prices from becoming victims to speculators. This is similar to a default fund that exists in most major stock exchanges in the world. Nothing new about it.

Generally the default fund is partly funded by the govt, and partly by the brokers....and it applies to all the stocks that are traded on the exchange. In Pakistan;'s case, since the govt is funding this entirely, it will only apply to govt owned stocks. Fair enough?

PS. This has been done in the past as well, for the same purpose. This is nothing new, and certainly not meant to put cash in the pockets of brokers, as you, or the article writer implied.
So you are posting stuff as usual without the faintest idea what you are posting. Btw do you know what a TT is?
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It was just announced and not yet invested.

But still it is a profitable investment. In the past as well govt had invested and was in profit.

Okay Guys. I knew Will-bit will drag my temporary disappearance from this thread (due to other engagements) in his favor and try to wash it all out. I read this about 10 days ago, but due to Ramazan I was not very active in bringing you the beautiful beautiful news which dont appear on your facebook photo shops. The subject here is that your IK has austerity to show every where, but it did not took him seconds to Establish this fund to throw money in the market --- Even for the Govt owned Entities.
Use your senses a bit here okay ------ if the shares value of those Govt owned entities go down, Govt will throw the money in the market (as guru will-bite said) to keep there value stable. Where would that money go ????? To the Govt or to the billionaire brokers who are holding those shares. ?????
You guys are just there to dance on the "aaey ga imran"

As I said the "Khota does not know anything. Hafeez Sheikh whispered in his ear to do this to save himself from daily embarrassment and he did". In reality he does not know what is happening under him and what not.
Anyways here is lots I was reading, but as i said due to ramazan I had no energy and time to raise this issue. And even if I had what difference should it have made. You are there just to dance not to think at all. I just saw this writing of Imaad Zafar directly raising this issue and thought let us do it now. It does not mean i did not know about it before.

Read and enjoy Please.

 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
Okay Guys. I knew Will-bit will drag my temporary disappearance from this thread (due to other engagements) in his favor and try to wash it all out. I read this about 10 days ago, but due to Ramazan I was not very active in bringing you the beautiful beautiful news which dont appear on your facebook photo shops. The subject here is that your IK has austerity to show every where, but it did not took him seconds to Establish this fund to throw money in the market --- Even for the Govt owned Entities.
Use your senses a bit here okay ------ if the shares value of those Govt owned entities go down, Govt will throw the money in the market (as guru will-bite said) to keep there value stable. Where would that money go ????? To the Govt or to the billionaire brokers who are holding those shares. ?????
You guys are just there to dance on the "aaey ga imran"

As I said the "Khota does not know anything. Hafeez Sheikh whispered in his ear to do this to save himself from daily embarrassment and he did". In reality he does not know what is happening under him and what not.
Anyways here is lots I was reading, but as i said due to ramazan I had no energy and time to raise this issue. And even if I had what difference should it have made. You are there just to dance not to think at all. I just saw this writing of Imaad Zafar directly raising this issue and thought let us do it now. It does not mean i did not know about it before.

Read and enjoy Please.


تم نے جل جل کے کاربن ہو جانا ہے۔
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Use your senses a bit here okay ------ if the shares value of those Govt owned entities go down, Govt will throw the money in the market (as guru will-bite said) to keep there value stable. Where would that money go ????? To the Govt or to the billionaire brokers who are holding those shares. ?????
You guys are just there to dance on the "aaey ga imran"

First thing you are implying is that apparently stock brokers own all the stock in the stock market. And whenever someone buys a stock, he is giving their money to the stock brokers, in return for that stock. FYI, there are tons of private investors in the market as well who own NIT units, as well as stocks of govt owned entities. Brokers dont own it all.

Second thing you are implying is that when the price of a stock drops, the govt will buy that stock by pouring money in the market, and by buying a stock at cheaper price, the brokers will be benefiting. Im trying to wrap my head around how buying a cheap stock will benefit the seller and not the buyer. Maybe you can use some Dar styled accounting to help me understand that


Anyways here is lots I was reading, but as i said due to ramazan I had no energy and time to raise this issue. And even if I had what difference should it have made. You are there just to dance not to think at all. I just saw this writing of Imaad Zafar directly raising this issue and thought let us do it now. It does not mean i did not know about it before.
Fact is, you are too arrogant and uptight to accept your ignorance of a topic or issue, and are more than happy to toss anything from any biased blogger that will make you happy.

Use some common sense, if nothing else at least. NIT is a govt backed mutual fund. Anything that goes in it belongs to the govt, and stays with the govt. If govt pours in money into it, that money goes towards buying blue chip stock, which brings in dividends for the govt. The money goes to the seller...whoever it may be.
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
First thing you are implying is that apparently stock brokers own all the stock in the stock market. And whenever someone buys a stock, he is giving their money to the stock brokers, in return for that stock. FYI, there are tons of private investors in the market as well who own NIT units, as well as stocks of govt owned entities. Brokers dont own it all.

Second thing you are implying is that when the price of a stock drops, the govt will buy that stock by pouring money in the market, and by buying a stock at cheaper price, the brokers will be benefiting. Im trying to wrap my head around how buying a cheap stock will benefit the seller and not the buyer. Maybe you can use some Dar styled accounting to help me understand that



Fact is, you are too arrogant and uptight to accept your ignorance of a topic or issue, and are more than happy to toss anything from any biased blogger that will make you happy.

Use some common sense, if nothing else at least. NIT is a govt backed mutual fund. Anything that goes in it belongs to the govt, and stays with the govt. If govt pours in money into it, that money goes towards buying blue chip stock, which brings in dividends for the govt. The money goes to the seller...whoever it may be.

Like you have all the data how much brokers have and how much a poor Mazdoor fighting for the night meal for his family ---- just dont be so much idiot man. I know you will pretend to be snail here if you have to.
What the ef was need of allocating fund like this to begin with?? Who the hell in common public going to benefit from it ???
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
اب ایک اور کام کرو کہ کسی گٹر میں چھلانگ لگا کے ماحول کو صاف کرو۔
نہیں وہ نہیں میں کروں گا -- ادھر ہی رہوں گا اس فورم کے ماحول کو اسی طرح گندہ کرتا رہوں گا
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
مطبل تم ماحول کے صفائی میں اپنا کردار اد نہیں کرو۔۔۔۔۔؟ ماحولیات کے دُشمن

نہیں وہ نہیں میں کروں گا -- ادھر ہی رہوں گا اس فورم کے ماحول کو اسی طرح گندہ کرتا رہوں گا
 

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