Super Dividends - IMF under the scanner

[Aleph]

This kind of stories re-enforce what US 'alternative media' has been talking about for a while now:

http://pro.moneymappress.com/MMR4979SST295MW/PMMRP607/

@AsifAmeer : Dude, what do you know about this?

 

[nvra911]

I love the 'pay-me-for-the-information' type of websites.

In this particular case, he's 'selling' you information through his website about the oh-so-secret equity withdrawals and since they have been mentioned the two times in hundreds of IMF's published documents every month, there must be some secret 'in' that a layman can get his hands on. But first, you must purchase that 'info' from him.

It's the same as Alex Jones drumming up his doomsday theories 'which-the-fed-govt-doesnt-want-you-to-know', all the time and in the end tries to sell you gold coins, seeds and water purifiers. Heck, our Zaid Hamid is getting in on it now.

I would just ignore.

 

[miafridi]

At the end of the video they have a join now button. that will ask either for your details or ask you of a fee to join their program in exchange for information on the money making so that you can make money for yourself(which can never happen). So its crap.

The video is about an hour long, and doesn't have controls for forward or back. I didn't watch it but was doing my own work and left the video open to see what comes out and i got the result as a join now button when the video finished that button lead to a site who link i am about to copy and paste so no need to watch the whole video.

https://purchases.moneymappress.com/MMR4979SST295MW/PMMRP607/index.htm?pageNumber=2

 

[Aleph]

@miafridi and @nvra911, yes I did notice that. If you notice my original post I simply mentioned how this smacks of 'alternative media' rhetoric (which is a multi-billion dollar industry in the US alone).

However, the fact that "Super dividend" exists in IMF nomenclature is something that I have personally verified. Now, I am no economist so I resigned my understanding to the expert here, @AsifAmeer. I am asking him what a "Super Dividend" is. I sure as heck won't be paying these guys any money to understand Fitzgerald's "complex algorithm" of where and when the next Super Dividend is going to be paid.

In fact, when I tried to exit the site, I got a prompt asking me to stay on so that I could make sure that I get the next 16,000-odd USD :P So, please, I am not taking it seriously. Just inquiring what a "Super Dividend" is from an expert of the field.

Thanks!

At the end of the video they have a join now button. that will ask either for your details or ask you of a fee to join their program in exchange for information on the money making so that you can make money for yourself(which can never happen). So its crap.

The video is about an hour long, and doesn't have controls for forward or back. I didn't watch it but was doing my own work and left the video open to see what comes out and i got the result as a join now button when the video finished that button lead to a site who link i am about to copy and paste so no need to watch the whole video.

https://purchases.moneymappress.com/MMR4979SST295MW/PMMRP607/index.htm?pageNumber=2

 

[nvra911]

In response to a post from a different thread.

...I myself mentioned that this video has the rhetoric of ultra-liberal 'alternative media'...

No, no - you didn't hint at this alternative media being ultra-liberal. You are saying that NOW to cover-up for your embarrassment. Come on dude.

How you take an 'inquiry' as a 'belief'...

When you used the word re-enforce, you really are hinting at a belief that you already hold and it is being reinforced by this current video.

 

[Aleph]

And here is an example of a Super-dividend from NASDAQ:

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/a-look-at-a-new-super-dividend-etf-cm226417

So, I am just curious what is so SUPER about a dividend?

 

[Aleph]

Sure, whatever you say. Keep crying, but my original post is right up there and if I make any changes to it then the website will show that i made modifications to my words.

I refer to this as 'alternative media' (inclusive of the quotes). It seems that you are unaware that 'alternative media' IS ultra-liberal from the get-go? Alex Jones IS an ultra-liberal leftist.

In any event, he question I asked has been addressed to @AsifAmeer so you can make all the judgments you want, but I couldn't care less. I am looking for an answer from an expert -- not from clowns.

Cheers!

In response to a post from a different thread.




No, no - you didn't hint at this alternative media being ultra-liberal. You are saying that NOW to cover-up for your embarrassment. Come on dude.



When you used the word re-enforce, you really are hinting at a belief that you already hold and it is being reinforced by this current video.

 

[Aleph]

@nvra911:

Since you also make it look like you know me sooooooo well and that I believe the 'alternative media' then I guess you also think that I believe in an occult Reptilian society? Also, I am sure you think that Aleph thinks that 9/11 was an 'inside job' and that the Twin Towers were brought down by dynamite, right?

Joker. You are just DESPERATELY looking for a chance to embarrass me after the whole Communism/Socialism saga :P

 

[nvra911]

@miafridi and @nvra911, yes I did notice that. If you notice my original post I simply mentioned how this smacks of 'alternative media' rhetoric (which is a multi-billion dollar industry in the US alone).

However, the fact that "Super dividend" exists in IMF nomenclature is something that I have personally verified. Now, I am no economist so I resigned my understanding to the expert here, @AsifAmeer. I am asking him what a "Super Dividend" is. I sure as heck won't be paying these guys any money to understand Fitzgerald's "complex algorithm" of where and when the next Super Dividend is going to be paid.

In fact, when I tried to exit the site, I got a prompt asking me to stay on so that I could make sure that I get the next 16,000-odd USD :P So, please, I am not taking it seriously. Just inquiring what a "Super Dividend" is from an expert of the field.

Thanks!

On a serious note, a dividend is super when it is extraordinarily large than the expected regular dividends of a company. It could be that the company decided to return its capital to the shareholder and one of the ways for a listed company is to issue a large dividend. Though, its not the only way but it is one. This could lead to a super-dividend. Or a company like Apple which historically never used to disperse dividend income, could have theoretically decided to give all those 'withheld' dividends in one go. That's another example.

The point is the a super-dividend in itself is neither right or wrong. That depends on what ends one is trying to achieve by issuing them.

In this particular video, the guy is trying to stir up your greed by telling you examples that super-dividends exist and if you pay him money he will show you how to get them - which of course will not happen and all you would be doing is paying him money, motivated by your greed of making fast and easy money.




About your " I simply mentioned how this smacks of 'alternative media' rhetoric (which is a multi-billion dollar industry in the US alone). "

Dude who are you referring to? To me Alex Jones is not-liberal and he uses the alternative media (youtube). Please give me some examples of this 'ultra liberal alternative media rhetoric' and how it ties in with hundreds and hundreds of scams that are invented on the internet everyday.

 

[nvra911]

@nvra911:

Since you also make it look like you know me sooooooo well and that I believe the 'alternative media' then I guess you also think that I believe in an occult Reptilian society? Also, I am sure you think that Aleph thinks that 9/11 was an 'inside job' and that the Twin Towers were brought down by dynamite, right?

Joker. You are just DESPERATELY looking for a chance to embarrass me after the whole Communism/Socialism saga :P

LOL @ David Icke reference. I don't think you come into his net but you'd be surprised if you knew how many do.

I don't know what your thoughts are about 9/11. Enlighten me. Personally I think that CIA implanted super-thermite (not TNT) and blew it all up while killing lion of Panjshir Ahmed Shah Masuud on 9th September 2011; so that when they go in to Afghanistan with an alibi of 'killing' their secret agent on payroll Bin Laden, with the real intention to grab hold of the gold and rubies hidden in Afghanistan; that they are not defeated by Masud. Please don't tell CIA that I think this way. The other stuff which happened on that day was just operational finesse.

I couldn't care less about your confusion of socialism. I just find you intriguing, that how can such a well spoken person come up with really rotten-conservative rhetoric. Most people here think like you but they struggle at putting their point across half decently. You do it quite well, albeit with lose language, but the content is just so utterly hopeless. I find that interesting.

 

[nvra911]

Alex Jones IS an ultra-liberal leftist.

No, he's not and therein lies you flaw.


He is a conspiracy theorist, who wants to profit from anything, any ideology, any stance, any opinion that can sells.

- I have heard him criticise Obama's public option plan, which IS a socialist-left program.

- I have seen him bitterly defend the 2nd amendment right to anti-tank missiles for layman Americans - which is a ultra-right-wing agenda...

- ...and I have seen him sell gold coins and seeds and water purifying bottles in all situations..


Basically he is a anarchist nut who wants to make money of his doomsday theories. He's not alone. There are a lot of his kind in the US. Any one who thinks AJ is ultra-left-liberal is as crazy as him.

 

[Aleph]

You are confusing things (I presume because of your bias against me).

This infomercial is NOT part of the regular 'alternative media' (such as Alex Jones et al). That is why I said that this infomercial is only lending credence to what people like Alex Jones have been saying for a while now (mainly that a select few know high yielding, low volatile companies and systematically shift their monies to these companies to extract maximum benefit).

So, this infomercial can be one of the many internet scams as you rightly point out. However, the underlying economics behind it might NOT be a scam. For example, I pasted the relevant link of NASDAQ of how there is an index for the top-50 high yield/low volatile companies.

Lest you forget, Alex Jones and Co. have been talking for AGES about government surveillance programs and Snowden's revelations have only strengthened what they have been talking of all along. Now, that could be just chance or they really did have their ducks in line as far as investigative journalism goes.

Perhaps Alex Jones was a bad example to use as an 'ultra-liberal', but you brought up his name not I. But other alternative media sources include people like Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman (both liberals). Then you have the very extremist liberals (whom I call the ultra-liberals) such as David Icke.

So I am just unsure where Fitzgerald fits in this spectrum of the 'alternative media'? He is championed in this video as a 'famous economist' and 'expert investment analyst who is a best-selling author' so AsifAmeer would know how true that claim is.

On a serious note, a dividend is super when it is extraordinarily large than the expected regular dividends of a company. It could be that the company decided to return its capital to the shareholder and one of the ways for a listed company is to issue a large dividend. Though, its not the only way but it is one. This could lead to a super-dividend. Or a company like Apple which historically never used to disperse dividend income, could have theoretically decided to give all those 'withheld' dividends in one go. That's another example.

The point is the a super-dividend in itself is neither right or wrong. That depends on what ends one is trying to achieve by issuing them.

In this particular video, the guy is trying to stir up your greed by telling you examples that super-dividends exist and if you pay him money he will show you how to get them - which of course will not happen and all you would be doing is paying him money, motivated by your greed of making fast and easy money.




About your " I simply mentioned how this smacks of 'alternative media' rhetoric (which is a multi-billion dollar industry in the US alone). "

Dude who are you referring to? To me Alex Jones is not-liberal and he uses the alternative media (youtube). Please give me some examples of this 'ultra liberal alternative media rhetoric' and how it ties in with hundreds and hundreds of scams that are invented on the internet everyday.

 

[nvra911]

*offers truce*

 

[Aleph]

I will gladly accept, but I will stress that I never meant to attack you on this count.

I am not sure how long you have been on this forum, but I normally always forward economics-related stuff to AsifAmeer for his comments. I respect his opinions and I can't blame you for thinking that I am a 'conspiracy theorist'. I mean, if I were you and this was one of the first few things I saw you post then I would be thinking the same way, too, "another Zaid Hamid type..."

*offers truce*

 

[AsifAmeer]

Why call me an Expert? What harm have I caused you?

This is the doc these guys are talking about
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/wgsd/pdf/112812.pdf

Its simply a document containing definition of terms. Nothing more. We in the west are all aware of Super-Dividends. They are called - Bailouts.

You too can get your bailout. Just send me $199 cash in mail and I will get these top secret documents via a UFO delivery on your way.

@miafridi and @nvra911, yes I did notice that. If you notice my original post I simply mentioned how this smacks of 'alternative media' rhetoric (which is a multi-billion dollar industry in the US alone).

However, the fact that "Super dividend" exists in IMF nomenclature is something that I have personally verified. Now, I am no economist so I resigned my understanding to the expert here, @AsifAmeer. I am asking him what a "Super Dividend" is. I sure as heck won't be paying these guys any money to understand Fitzgerald's "complex algorithm" of where and when the next Super Dividend is going to be paid.

In fact, when I tried to exit the site, I got a prompt asking me to stay on so that I could make sure that I get the next 16,000-odd USD :P So, please, I am not taking it seriously. Just inquiring what a "Super Dividend" is from an expert of the field.

Thanks!

 

[Aleph]

Dude, thanks for writing back. I got another question for you:

How and why does currency fluctuate on a daily basis? I am just trying to understand how relative currencies work, so, for example, the USD seems to be strengthening to the CAD in the past couple of weeks.

Today, the the CAD to USD fluctuated between 1.0488 - 1.0525. I am curious as to how this fluctuation happens and what are the underlying reasons for it. Thanks!

Why call me an Expert? What harm have I caused you?

This is the doc these guys are talking about
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/wgsd/pdf/112812.pdf

Its simply a document containing definition of terms. Nothing more. We in the west are all aware of Super-Dividends. They are called - Bailouts.

You too can get your bailout. Just send me $199 cash in mail and I will get these top secret documents via a UFO delivery on your way.

 

[AsifAmeer]

Before I address your question, I am going to address the philosophy thats required to contain the answer I WONT give you. The philosophy will answer you direct question.

Your question was why is there a min/hr/daily fluctuation in the market? What causes these fluctuations.

Ever stood at a seashore? Ever noticed the pattern/timing/flow of waves? What are the individual causes behind inidividual waves? I am sure there are individual causes for every single wave formed. Thats too much information. So what we do is take a bigger snapshot, say hourly or 12hr snapshop and water pressure. When you map that data on a daily basis, you may/maynot see patterns. But when you scale it weekly, monthly and yearly, you will be able to identify monsoon seasons, and subtle hints of full-moon dates.

In complex systems, the relationship b/w inputs and outputs in not 1-to-1, its Many-to-Many where variable cannot be isolated. Let me give you 1 more example. Suppose a bridge was built 50 years ago. Every day 18wheelers use the bridge but 1 day a small car goes over the bridge and the bridge falls. Are you going to blame the car? Did the car make the bridge fall? No, it simply added to strain buildup over the years.

Now to capital markets. Look at GOLD. Its a 5 year chart going from $700 to $1800+. Forget all the "news", developments and conspiracies about Gold and just look at the trend. What does the trend tell you till May 4th 2012? Its going up. And as soon as you break the trend, you start winding down your positions and start building short positions.

In Complex systems, Correlation are signals and causation is noise. More than technical jargon, complex math, smart sounding bull$**** words and british accent, its the philosophical approach that helps you organize observations of reality and help make sense of it.

Dude, thanks for writing back. I got another question for you:

How and why does currency fluctuate on a daily basis? I am just trying to understand how relative currencies work, so, for example, the USD seems to be strengthening to the CAD in the past couple of weeks.

Today, the the CAD to USD fluctuated between 1.0488 - 1.0525. I am curious as to how this fluctuation happens and what are the underlying reasons for it. Thanks!

 

[Aleph]

What the heck is happening to gold post 2013??? Sharp, sharp decline!

Anyways, I got your point about the philosophy of it all. so, from the 'bigger picture' perspective I understand how a trend is broken down. But, still, what are the REAL things happening in the background that lead to this? For example, is the printing of money by governments a factor in this daily fluctuation? If yes then what are some other factors?

Jazak Allah bro!

Before I address your question, I am going to address the philosophy thats required to contain the answer I WONT give you. The philosophy will answer you direct question.

Your question was why is there a min/hr/daily fluctuation in the market? What causes these fluctuations.

Ever stood at a seashore? Ever noticed the pattern/timing/flow of waves? What are the individual causes behind inidividual waves? I am sure there are individual causes for every single wave formed. Thats too much information. So what we do is take a bigger snapshot, say hourly or 12hr snapshop and water pressure. When you map that data on a daily basis, you may/maynot see patterns. But when you scale it weekly, monthly and yearly, you will be able to identify monsoon seasons, and subtle hints of full-moon dates.

In complex systems, the relationship b/w inputs and outputs in not 1-to-1, its Many-to-Many where variable cannot be isolated. Let me give you 1 more example. Suppose a bridge was built 50 years ago. Every day 18wheelers use the bridge but 1 day a small car goes over the bridge and the bridge falls. Are you going to blame the car? Did the car make the bridge fall? No, it simply added to strain buildup over the years.

Now to capital markets. Look at GOLD. Its a 5 year chart going from $700 to $1800+. Forget all the "news", developments and conspiracies about Gold and just look at the trend. What does the trend tell you till May 4th 2012? Its going up. And as soon as you break the trend, you start winding down your positions and start building short positions.

In Complex systems, Correlation are signals and causation is noise. More than technical jargon, complex math, smart sounding bull$**** words and british accent, its the philosophical approach that helps you organize observations of reality and help make sense of it.

 

[AsifAmeer]

With that question, you totally missed the point. Read my post carefully

"In Complex systems, Correlation are signals and causation is noise". I want you to understand this.

Benoit Mandelbrot:"One of the most dangerous words in the financial world: BECAUSE!"

When Gold was going up, the reasoning was that the Central Bankers were printing too much money and this would cause currency debasement causing the metal to rise against debased currencies. When the metal is falling, the narrative has changed to - since 95% of the money supply is commercial credit which is being written off as bad debt, the Central Bank money printing is not fast enough to replace the debt going bad by commercial banks. So which story are you going to buy and then reconcile with reality of falling commodities?

What the heck is happening to gold post 2013??? Sharp, sharp decline!

Anyways, I got your point about the philosophy of it all. so, from the 'bigger picture' perspective I understand how a trend is broken down. But, still, [HI]what are the REAL things happening in the background[/HI] that lead to this? For example, is the printing of money by governments a factor in this daily fluctuation? If yes then what are some other factors?

Jazak Allah bro!