Su-35 for Pakistan Air force on the way !

asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
With the piece of news update last two months ago, personally Pakistan Air force lacks a top of the line air superiority aircraft besides the already well above average JF-17 basic version not counting block II /III.
This will be over confidence boost for morale to equipment supplied by Our new long awaited friend.
The mighty SU 35 is a deal breaker between dog fights of future to air superiority role fighters with our bully neighbor purchasing The French Rafeal of 36 ready of the shelf versions that can be a great problem for country Pakistan.
I was hoping last June when the news broke out the purchase of SU 35 for Pakistan Air force would go ahead & today we are 1 step closer to hearing jet sound barrier braking from a Pakistan Air force flying in green Su-35 as we say in Pa-Russki hirosho comrade da da da !


Pak-Russia talks on delivery of Su-35, Mi-35s underway: Russian Deputy FM

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NIZHYNY TAGIL: Pakistan and Russia are in talks about the delivery of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets and previously agreed upon delivery of Mi-35M helicopters, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister (FM) Sergei Ryabkov said, Sputnik reported.


Earlier this year, a draft contract for the delivery of four Mi-35M 'Hind E' combat helicopters was sent to Pakistan from Russia, a source in the Russian military and technical cooperation was quoted by the Russian news agency TASS.


Increasing military cooperation between Islamabad and Moscow would not negatively impact Russia's ties with India, Ryabkov said, adding that Pak-Russia ties were improving in other sectors as well ─ including energy.


The Russian Deputy FM Ryabkov referred to Pakistan as Russia's closest partner and said, "I do not think that the contacts under discussion will cause jealousy on the part of any of the two sides."


The twin-engine Su-35 is a fourth generation multi-role combat aircraft which also incorporates technology from fifth generation jets, according to details available on the Sukhoi company's website. It is also said to be more agile as compared to previous models.


Read: Pakistan, Russia sign landmark defence cooperation agreement


Pakistan and Russia had signed a bilateral defence cooperation agreement aimed at strengthening military-to-military relations in November last year. The deal had to be followed by another ‘technical cooperation agreement’ to pave the way for sale of defence equipment to Pakistan.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1206088/pa...ry-of-su-35-mi-35s-underway-russian-deputy-fm
 
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pakistan to buy Russian SU-35 Jets?

I think they are one of the most advanced fighter jets in Russian Airforce... Is Russia switching from India towards Pakistan? This is big news if true.


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NIZHYNY TAGIL: Pakistan and Russia are in talks about the delivery of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets and previously agreed upon delivery of Mi-35M helicopters, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister (FM) Sergei Ryabkov said, Sputnik reported.
Earlier this year, a draft contract for the delivery of four Mi-35M 'Hind E' combat helicopters was sent to Pakistan from Russia, a source in the Russian military and technical cooperation was quoted by the Russian news agency TASS.
Increasing military cooperation between Islamabad and Moscow would not negatively impact Russia's ties with India, Ryabkov said, adding that Pak-Russia ties were improving in other sectors as well ─ including energy.
The Russian Deputy FM Ryabkov referred to Pakistan as Russia's closest partner and said, "I do not think that the contacts under discussion will cause jealousy on the part of any of the two sides."
The twin-engine Su-35 is a fourth generation multi-role combat aircraft which also incorporates technology from fifth generation jets, according to details available on the Sukhoi company's website. It is also said to be more agile as compared to previous models.
Read: Pakistan, Russia sign landmark defence cooperation agreement
Pakistan and Russia had signed a bilateral defence cooperation agreement aimed at strengthening military-to-military relations in November last year. The deal had to be followed by another ‘technical cooperation agreement’ to pave the way for sale of defence equipment to Pakistan.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1206088/pak-russia-talks-on-delivery-of-su-35-mi-35s-underway-russian-deputy-fm
 
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
PAF is reluctant to buy twin engine aircraft and another thing PAF is relectant to buy aircraft that are operated by IAF. And vice versa. Could be that Pakistan can buy modified versions of the aircraft from China or Joint Chinese/PAC/Russian production.
 

Technocrat

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Pakistan to buy Russian SU-35 Jets?

Not a good option. We already have a mix of US and Chinese crafts, and now Russian. Seems like a bad soup recipe.
 

ptilover788

MPA (400+ posts)
indian already have this plane i think.with which us plane this russian jet is comparable??? can u guide please.. i mean where this plane stands technology wise if we compare it with american and french rafael
 

asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
It says in the article, Russia doesn't see a conflict to selling both neighbors and personally since our long awaited spare parts mis-delivery by General Dynamics for old F-16's we need another name brand supplier for sure. Seriously during the signing of "Pressler amendment" by Musherif we were only tthan able to get spare parts after 12 F16s were grounded after 10 years of waiting? Than after receiving the jets were able to fly! What was the use of purchasing a name brand Chevy if unable to drive it on the road? Buy something alternative & drive all the time instead? Not tto mention Kargil happened which was on the brink of escalation!!!
 
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asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
indian already have this plane i think.with which us plane this russian jet is comparable??? can u guide please.. i mean where this plane stands technology wise if we compare it with american and french rafael


As far as comparison of multi role fighters, there are few, F-18, F-35, MIG 29 fulcrum,Saab Euro fighter & Rafeals as well.
But what category to compare? Speed, dog fighting ability, weapons carrying, multi role missions etc. There are number of things associated with comparison but the actual fight even a old fighter can win the day. Such as Hyped up MIG 21.
 
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farooq22

Minister (2k+ posts)
Jeway Sher

Abhi Papu Burger or Pasha Party Lafafa anchors sure hu jio Pakistan ko USA sy F 16 leny chie the, Russia sy SU 35 kion!
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We must improve our country relations with Russia. This deal is also part of strategic partnership, which demands from Pakistan and Russia both to come together and fight against common enemy.
 

asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
This is pretty high quality plane. We should go for it. Chinese J-10 would only arrive after 5 years.


No wonder why the air force is looking in future ahead since its long wait for arrival of J-10 it makes sense after all with Modi in power we are NOT glancing over the horizon at peace any Time soon! We need air superiority fighters from whomever!
 

kakamuna420

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
indian already have this plane i think.with which us plane this russian jet is comparable??? can u guide please.. i mean where this plane stands technology wise if we compare it with american and french rafael

Are you kidding! Indian don't have toilets of their own. How could they afford this plane.
 

asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
Are you kidding! Indian don't have toilets of their own. How could they afford this plane.


Its not only question arises of maintenance but keep updating these aircraft annually. I am sure IAF has enough room in its soup dish to add one more french Rafeals to their collection after all other different cocktails & not making one aircraft on their own. :)
 

ninetykman

Minister (2k+ posts)
indian already have this plane i think.with which us plane this russian jet is comparable??? can u guide please.. i mean where this plane stands technology wise if we compare it with american and french rafael

No it doesn't. Even if it does, it wont matter. PAF should diversify it arsenal and this is one of the top notch aircraft. Russians make superiors planes. SU-35 is currently operated by Russian AF only.

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ninetykman

Minister (2k+ posts)
We can easily buy 5-10 of these planes. Russian has realized that with China building CPEC, Pakistan will be be an excellent partner due to location and its potential. Plus We are more reliable than back stabbing lala's. This is why it is slowly rebuilding its relations with Pakistan.
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
TF-22 VS SU-35BM.......

he comparison will be according to five points: Stealth,Avionics,Maneuverability,Armament and Range


1- Stealth: F-22 is a stealth fighter with RCS -40 dB and all kinds of emissions reduced extremely and SU-35 gives high amount of emissions
So F-22 take the advantage

2- Avionics: In terms of radar vs 1m2 the Irbis-E of SU-35 defeats APG 77 of F-22 (270 km vs 240 km) however F-22 uses AESA radar with advanced LPI technology.

In terms of detecting passively SU-35 Khibiny-M can not detect F-22 passively due to LPI mode in F-22 radar but this still theoretical
but F-22 equivalent system ALR-94 is very good systems with range up to 400 Km i think it can detect SU-35 with its high emissions
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but Su-35 have an advantage with IRST however Flanker can not use it as it will be detected before F-22 enters its detection range
So F-22 take the advantage


3- Maneuverability:

Su-35 performs significantly at low speeds and also in high speeds and have 3D TVC
F-22 performs good in high speeds due to thrust to weight ratio but only in Pitch axis ( 2D TVC)
So Su-35 take the lead in dogfights

4- Armament:

Su-35 can carry about twice payload of air-to-air missiles of F-22 but Su-35 carry missiles externally this increases drag and enlarge RCS and this result in performance hit
So i think F-22 take the lead

5- Range:
Su-35: 3600 km
F-22: 3220 km
Su-35 take the lead

Final conclusion:
F-22 take the lead with its stealthy and avionics
But still we must say that Su-35 is 4.5th generation fighter and F-22 5th generation


Note:
Some systems no one can document its performance like Khibiny-M for example as these systems are military secrets

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