someone take this guy to mental hospital

Xiggs

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
G SHAH G said:
WITH DUE RESPECT SIR. IF YOU CANT HELP THOSE PEOPLE DONT BUT FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH DONT INSULT SAYYEDS . ALLAH KNOWS THE PERSON YOU ARE RIDICULING MIGHT BE THE REAL ALLE RASOOL. JUST DONT HELP THEM BUT DONT DISRESPECT THEM AS WELL.
MAY ALLAH HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF UMMAH OF RASOOL S E W W
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nahi shah ji...he was not being disrespectful....he actually stated the truth, plus he is not aware how real syeds came to settle in india.
 
Xiggs

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Citizen X said:
Call me skeptical but I feel too much of a Shia twist on all of this( nothing against shias but my belief system does not gel well with theirs), plus the fact, having distant lineage is not the same as being family or direct descendants of someone. Like say in Kingdoms. First father then son then son of son so and so forth.
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fair enough....Allah knows the truth. I never wanted you to believe me blindly...as a matter of fact I never expected you to believe me instantly...but research is the best thing to dig out the truth.....and again Allah knows best.

Like I said, I can tell you about Zaidi Syeds of India...but don't know about the ancestors of Kazmis, Rizvis, Naqvis, Aabidis, Jafaris, Taqvis and Moosvis....their ancestors must have migrated to india as well.

In Islam...we have the rule of Mehram and Na-Mehram....it holds true from Hazrat Adam to the last person on earth. Every single person on earth is a mehram of Hazrat Adam and Bibi Havva S.A. likewsie, no matter how many generations come in between Rasool Allah saww and his offspring...He Will always be Mehram to all of them...thus...He will be the forefather of Syeds. Logically you can understand that being Ibn-e-Adam...which is not a metaphor...but a literal word.

Today's Syeds are not Ahlul Bait....so please don't mix them up...Ahlul Bait are the Immediate family of Rasool Allah and according to Shia Atha-Ashari up to 12 Imams of Ahlul Bait S.A......No one else!!
 
Citizen X

Citizen X

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Xiggs said:
fair enough....Allah knows the truth. I never wanted you to believe me blindly...as a matter of fact I never expected you to believe me instantly...but research is the best thing to dig out the truth.....and again Allah knows best.

Like I said, I can tell you about Zaidi Syeds of India...but don't know about the ancestors of Kazmis, Rizvis, Naqvis, Aabidis, Jafaris, Taqvis and Moosvis....their ancestors must have migrated to india as well.

In Islam...we have the rule of Mehram and Na-Mehram....it holds true from Hazrat Adam to the last person on earth. Every single person on earth is a mehram of Hazrat Adam and Bibi Havva S.A. likewsie, no matter how many generations come in between Rasool Allah saww and his offspring...He Will always be Mehram to all of them...thus...He will be the forefather of Syeds. Logically you can understand that being Ibn-e-Adam...which is not a metaphor...but a literal word.

Today's Syeds are not Ahlul Bait....so please don't mix them up...Ahlul Bait are the Immediate family of Rasool Allah and according to Shia Atha-Ashari up to 12 Imams of Ahlul Bait S.A......No one else!!
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My god gifted common sense, fitrah and knowledge tells me other than the direct descendants there is no special importance of distant and ancient lineages. I rather give importance and respect to someone for their actions rather than some supposed lineage.
 
Xiggs

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Citizen X said:
My god gifted common sense, fitrah and knowledge tells me other than the direct descendants there is no special importance of distant and ancient lineages. I rather give importance and respect to someone for their actions rather than some supposed lineage.
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sure....don't give respect to syeds just because they are syeds....that's fine :) Actions of a person, irrespective of being a syed or not, speak louder than words.
 
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Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Xiggs said:
All wives of Rasool Allah saww including Hazrat Aisha and Hazrat Hafsa are respectable and must not be abused as it would not make Rasool Allah saww happy. simple as that.

People who killed Syed us Shuhda (Imam Hussain A.S., his family and companions) and those who agreed to that act and those stayed silent are equally condemned and condemnable.

I have a few questions that invite your honest answers...please do answer all.

1- When was the offspring of Rasool Allah saww stopped being called His offspring? which generation was the dividing line? 15th generation or 23rd or 47th? which generation? please answer with proof.

2- Let's suppose you meet your long dead ancestors (great great great....grandparents like 20 generations back) in afterlife.....would you be not their son?

3- Let's suppose you are non-syed and have an adult unmarried daughter and I'm a syed and I also have an unmarried adult daughter and suppose Rasool Allah saww wishes to marry one of them...who would you think He would marry? Your daughter or mine? (Hint if you find this question difficult: Mehram and Na-mehram)

Please do keep basic islamic laws in mind before answering these questions.
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Quran is very clear...

In Islam linage is descended from males not females... Those who claiming to be the descendants of Prophets are speaking a white lie!

Prophet family was just limited to her daughter and Nawasas . When he left this world his connection also ceased to be with anyone!

The marriages God wrote in his destiny he had already performed ! So the question is irrelevant!

We are all descendants of Prophet Adam .

And Jews are the descendents of hundreds of Prophets. Jews are more holy than syeds in this sense ... Remember Quran says for a true Muslim every Prophet is equal is stature!

I am son of Prophet Adam ... Trump is also a son of Adam.. Netanyahu may be having the blood of hundreds of Prophets !

Just tell me how Hazrat Ibrahim,Hazrat Ishaq ,Hazart Yaqoob ,Hazrat Doad,Hazrat Suliman and Hazrat Musa will treat Netanyau in afterlife?

Will Netanyahoo be their beloved or a Pakistani Muslim Chura?
 
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Xiggs

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Liberal 000 said:
Quran is very clear...

In Islam linage is descended from males not females... Those who claiming to be the descendants of Prophets are speaking a white lie!

Prophet family was just limited to her daughter and Nawasas . When he left this world his connection also ceased to be with anyone!

The marriages God wrote in his destiny he had already performed ! So the question is irrelevant!

We are all descendants of Prophet Adam .

And Jews are the descendents of hundreds of Prophets. Jews are more holy than syeds in this sense ... Remember Quran says for a true Muslim every Prophet is equal is stature!

I am son of Prophet Adam ... Trump is also a son of Adam.. Netanyahu may be having the blood of hundreds of Prophets !

Just tell me how Hazrat Ibrahim,Hazrat Ishaq ,Hazart Yaqoob ,Hazrat Doad,Hazrat Suliman and Hazrat Musa will treat Netanyau in afterlife?

Will Netanyahoo be their beloved or a Pakistani Muslim Chura?
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You need to read surah e Mubahila.....again and again....then read ayat e Tat'heera

Detailed reply to follow....
 
Vitamin_C

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When one person does something stupid, its called a mental illness. When a billion people do something stupid its called a religion.
 
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Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Xiggs said:
You need to read surah e Mubahila.....again and again....then read ayat e Tat'heera

Detailed reply to follow....
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First of all I never said Hazrat Ali ,Hassan,Hussain and Fatima were not family!

You know the ancestors of Jews and Netanyahoo were mentioned number of times in Quran by name!

By name there is no mention of Hazrat Hassan ,Hussein ,Fatima and Ali. Why?

Plz answer

Netanyahu may be having the blood of number of Prophets mentioned in Quran!

Just tell me how Hazrat Ibrahim,Hazrat Ishaq ,Hazart Yaqoob ,Hazrat Doad,Hazrat Suliman and Hazrat Musa will treat Netanyau in afterlife?

Will Netanyahoo be their beloved or a Pakistani Muslim Chura?
 
Xiggs

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Liberal 000 said:
First of all I never said Hazrat Ali ,Hassan,Hussain and Fatima were not family!

You know the ancestors of Jews and Netanyahoo were mentioned number of times in Quran by name!

By name there is no mention of Hazrat Hassan ,Hussein ,Fatima and Ali. Why?

Plz answer

Netanyahu may be having the blood of number of Prophets mentioned in Quran!

Just tell me how Hazrat Ibrahim,Hazrat Ishaq ,Hazart Yaqoob ,Hazrat Doad,Hazrat Suliman and Hazrat Musa will treat Netanyau in afterlife?

Will Netanyahoo be their beloved or a Pakistani Muslim Chura?
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I didn't know nutty yahoo is muslim.....if you get what I mean.

But you didn't answer my questions....theyr are fiqh related... Plz answer them first.


First it was hindu brahamans then nutty yahoo...missing the point altogether but It keeps getting better and better... What's next?
 
THEMUSLIM

THEMUSLIM

Senator (1k+ posts)
ImRaaN said:
images
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tum har jaga apne abbu ji ko kiyun khench letey ho.............
 
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alicekim

Senator (1k+ posts)
Citizen X said:
Thats just a cultural thing, that has nothing to do with Islam, in fact The Prophet s.a.w encouraged outside marriages to introduce new blood into the bloodline to avoid something we know is a must to avoid genetic heredity disease and inbreeding today
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That's correct, however maybe 90% marriages are still happening within families, or the related circles, especially in rural areas. That's why the concept of zaat, baradari, genes, family, cast is not diffusing.
 
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