So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections

[Wajdan]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

Looks like this EVM "prototype" or version 1.0 does not transmit data to a centralized database; say at Election Commission's office. Maybe in next upgrade they may come up with transmission of results using cellular phone or any mobile device.

But still this machine seems to prevent vote rigging by proper identification and one vote per person.

One more thing: Since this machine runs on electric power, therefore I am not sure what will happen in case of power outage (which is quite frequent in Pakistan).

Curious about power/electicity too. I have read about indian electronic machine and they keep a bettry with every device to function without any need of depending on local electricity.

 

[Khansaber]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

Cause machines can be hacked at the end of day ,Machines are machines or Can malfunction.Paper Vote is back up for verification if still any candidate thinks he is cheated .Alternative is there to match machine as every Vote/Perci has barcode scan .

Same mechanism in USA but no thumb verification here cause their lists accurate and Laws are tough and applicable .

 

[Wajdan]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

Why "Parchi" ?? ? who will count this parchi ?? this is rubish

when there is Machine, it should automaticly count the numbers and at the end of the day project the result.

That is what I was thinking when I looked at Tariq Malik taking PARCHI out of it after casting a demo vote. However, I am ok with PARCHI if machine does count the vote and PARCHI is kept as a proof.

 

[rizhussain44]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

LOL...what do you think mate if I develop for IBM and I am not aware of the software and system development and deployment? I help my friends working for NADRA when they were developing their system. I know what I am talking about.

Well, let me first get this straight... Are you claiming that you know better and still sticking to your earlier argument that a voting system like this should cost RS 8000 to 'Develop' ???

Buddy, you can claim whatever you want but as per what you said earlier tells you don't know much about it. If you really knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have mistaken that 1 crore PKR development price as the unit price and given your 'expert opinion' that it should have rather costed only RS 8000!

 

[fawad ali]

That is why tariq malik was fired. He was working on a system to ensure transparency in elections.

 

[janbazali]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

That is what I was thinking when I looked at Tariq Malik taking PARCHI out of it after casting a demo vote. However, I am ok with PARCHI if machine does count the vote and PARCHI is kept as a proof.

video suggest that "Parchi" will go in the ballot box... It is ofcourse for the count, but why?? If there is Mahcine why you need to count the papers.. I hope "Parchi" is only for counter check if anyone complaints about rigging.

Not to forget only thing matters in election rigging is who counts the ballot paper..

 

[fmduke]

If CJ has halal khoon in his veins, he should order recounting in the four constituencies as demanded by PTI and once DHANDLAA is confirmed, this machine can be tested as a pilot in those four constituencies.

 

[Haris Abbasi]

Brilliant Tariq Sahib

 

[jaanmark]

some thing better then nothing to start with ,

 

[Pak1stani]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

I think print of paper is must for security reasons and a measure against electronic/software fraud. If the system is hacked manipulated then there will be no proof of fraud. Votes can be counted automatically by the system and Paper ballot paper can be used if someone request for recount.

Why "Parchi" ?? ? who will count this parchi ?? this is rubish

when there is Machine, it should automaticly count the numbers and at the end of the day project the result.

 

[malikccj]

Intikhabat Main Dhandli Rokny Ky Liye Electronic Nizam Tayaar Kar Lia, Chairman Nadra Tariq Malik

Intikhabat Main Dhandli Rokny Ky Liye Electronic Nizam Tayaar Kar Lia, Chairman Nadra Tariq Malik

 

[Vitamin_C]

If CJ has halal khoon in his veins, he should order recounting in the four constituencies as demanded by PTI and once DHANDLAA is confirmed, this machine can be tested as a pilot in those four constituencies.

​Brilliant idea.

 

[Ali raza babar]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

Does this machine also calculate the votes automatically, or people will have to count the votes by conting the vote receipts ?

There must be Vote Receipt.

 

[IhsanIlahi]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections

Too early to say "must be used". Let them show to political parties -- No wonder -- people of this country is very good in negative thinking and sooner can find rigging tactic.

[hilar][hilar][hilar] And they would be very glad to know the new machine which would prevent them from thappas......

 

[Uxi Ali]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections

These two points are not so important since thumb print faking is not an easy task. The chances of fake vote casting are too low and need much of a hard work and highly time consuming too. By the way i still cant think of a way of thumbprint faking since finger print recognition is quite accurate and is not easy to deceive.

Faking thumbprint is not easy yes... but stealing is! You may have seen National Treasure movies and many other thriller movies, in which thumbprints are very easily stolen from a glass or something similar... my above two points are only to get your hands on the culprits and/or make sure that they are warned that they could even lose the already casted vote... keep the damn vote thieving elements at bay!

Also, one way of limiting fake votes, like if someone from the inside tries to change the database, the memory of the fingerprinting machine should be limited, like it should not accept more than 1500 votes per polling station.... its a big debate and there are lot of things to consider

 

[Uxi Ali]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

I think print of paper is must for security reasons and a measure against electronic/software fraud. If the system is hacked manipulated then there will be no proof of fraud. Votes can be counted automatically by the system and Paper ballot paper can be used if someone request for recount.

Not only should it print, but also uplaod the result over the internet... there should be at least 3 ways to check and compare the results of a single result

 

[Urooj_lbw]

Qadri kabuter u have to put pressure on this status quo to adopt this genuine method, noore will oppose this system and try their best to stick to their patwareeys system, immi bhai do whatever u can but next elections must be free and fair otherwise people want come out

 

[knower]

great thats why PTI delayed baldiyati elections!

 

[zhohaq]

I think its an excellent system.

Reason is its modular doesnt depend on a central database(Which wd require internet access etc), has multiple Backup systems (Printed ballots).

Good thing is that the results can be audited separately from the three systems.

Excellent work NADRA.

The only hole in the system is who will declare results of polling stations. As ECP is throughly corrupt cant be trusted.

What the machine shd do is encrypt results on station download file into a memory card that should then be audited in a central vote counting cell. This can then be compared to the results from the manual parchi count.

Overall 90% can be curbed if this is done

The first component of EVM is Voter Identification Unit which would carry out a voters identification from his CNIC registered at the respective polling station.

On successful identification, voter authentication process would be initiated through which fingerprints of voters will be verified from the NADRA database. On authentication, the voter will be allowed to cast the vote through a vote casting unit.

The second component of EVM is the Vote Casting Unit which would map the voters constituency and display the list of candidates.

Selection of a candidate by the voter will be recorded in the local database as well as on a printed ballot. During this process, the voter will be assisted through multimedia.

The third component of EVM is the Result Management Unit whereby once polling is done, the vote casting unit will print a list of candidates along with the number of bagged votes. This system-generated list will be reconciled by presiding officer through manual counting of printed ballots in presence of polling agents nominated by their respective candidates.

Malik is scheduled to give detailed demonstration and briefing on EVM to Chief Election Commissioner Justice Nasirul Mulk and members of ECP next week.

 

[asifukp]

Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!

Well, let me first get this straight... Are you claiming that you know better and still sticking to your earlier argument that a voting system like this should cost RS 8000 to 'Develop' ???

Buddy, you can claim whatever you want but as per what you said earlier tells you don't know much about it. If you really knew what you were talking about you wouldn't have mistaken that 1 crore PKR development price as the unit price and given your 'expert opinion' that it should have rather costed only RS 8000!

I don't know if you have difficulty understanding the Urdu the reporter speaking in the video and the simple english I wrote or you have some sort of childish arrogance ... where the hell did I say the whole system cost Rs.8000??? I said the device they showed for scanning finger prints ...secondly its not 1 crore they spent ...its 100 crores (ek arab).. watch the video and my comments again..hope it will correct you misunderstanding. I don't claim anything that I don't know or don't do and I still stand for what I said. As far as the development cost in Pakistani govt is concern the actual cost is hardly 10% of what they claim in the papers...

the reason I am disappointed is that there are much better option available in the market in the given range of NADRA spending money, they already have one of the best Database in the world, all the need to do is to configure any of the advance device to their database to verify voters against their database and record selected option. have a look at the picture attached and decided yourself how advance the normal available voting devices and the NADRA device.