Geek
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So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections
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Ghulamabbas23
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Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
wonderful but who will let this machine work in pakistan.
wonderful but who will let this machine work in pakistan.
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections
Yes but this would only work if there are two steps taken in the machine...
1) As soon as a thumb print is repeated (scanned for the second time), there should be an alarm started in the polling station and a nearby police station.
2) If part 1 is not implementable, at least the machine should: Not accept any vote from that Thumb/ID card and also cancel the vote that has already been casted by the same thumb. Which means ke agar bhai log ke saathi shaan pati karne ki koshish karain to unka pehla vote bhi zaya ho jaye!!
Yes but this would only work if there are two steps taken in the machine...
1) As soon as a thumb print is repeated (scanned for the second time), there should be an alarm started in the polling station and a nearby police station.
2) If part 1 is not implementable, at least the machine should: Not accept any vote from that Thumb/ID card and also cancel the vote that has already been casted by the same thumb. Which means ke agar bhai log ke saathi shaan pati karne ki koshish karain to unka pehla vote bhi zaya ho jaye!!
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MIR GHAZAB KHAN
Councller (250+ posts)
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
This man is no more in his office...and that machine is full of sand .....soon see
This man is no more in his office...and that machine is full of sand .....soon see
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
As far as I know, the votes are counted at the end, but this is done by a database that keeps updating from the start of first vote to the end of polling time with every vote casted. Then a collective data form is filled with party to party and NA/PA seats..
And this is very important that the machine should not accept votes after the polling time is finished
As far as I know, the votes are counted at the end, but this is done by a database that keeps updating from the start of first vote to the end of polling time with every vote casted. Then a collective data form is filled with party to party and NA/PA seats..
And this is very important that the machine should not accept votes after the polling time is finished
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
I think it is both:
I think it is both:
And the third component of EVM is Result Management Unit whereby once polling is done, vote casting unit will print list of candidates along with number of bagged votes. This system-generated list will be reconciled by presiding officer through manual counting of printed ballots in presence of polling agents nominated by participating candidates.http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pa...ctronic-voting-machine-to-stop-f#.UqpAr_RDte4
ifteeahmed
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections
Too early to say "must be used". Let them show to political parties -- No wonder -- people of this country is very good in negative thinking and sooner can find rigging tactic.
Too early to say "must be used". Let them show to political parties -- No wonder -- people of this country is very good in negative thinking and sooner can find rigging tactic.
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
too old fashion... 1980s design this device should not cost more then Rs.8000 each.. I was expecting much better device and system when I heard the spending amount(100 crors) on it. I am in I.T Hardware and I personally worked on a this kind of devices for IBM which is used for secure sites entry points. It loads pic/data from ID card sweep followed by finger print scan and then pin code entry is required on touch screen to allow access(costs around 50). And an other one I worked for IBM which is very lower type quite similar to the one in this video is used in Super store( if anyone worked in ASDA UK will confirm it) for employee login/out. I am really disappointed, just a waste of tax payer money.
too old fashion... 1980s design this device should not cost more then Rs.8000 each.. I was expecting much better device and system when I heard the spending amount(100 crors) on it. I am in I.T Hardware and I personally worked on a this kind of devices for IBM which is used for secure sites entry points. It loads pic/data from ID card sweep followed by finger print scan and then pin code entry is required on touch screen to allow access(costs around 50). And an other one I worked for IBM which is very lower type quite similar to the one in this video is used in Super store( if anyone worked in ASDA UK will confirm it) for employee login/out. I am really disappointed, just a waste of tax payer money.
Wajdan
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
So it means that Machine will not be connected with other polling stations to generate a collective and fast result at the end of the voting, that is something india has I guess. So in NADRA system there are chances of dhandli by not revealing results of selective polling stations. No doubt however dhaandli will be minimized by using this system.
If the machine is connected with centerlized database then it can provide an overall result as soon voting is finished.
AND, unfortunately it stores voters details in local database which is not good.
So it means that Machine will not be connected with other polling stations to generate a collective and fast result at the end of the voting, that is something india has I guess. So in NADRA system there are chances of dhandli by not revealing results of selective polling stations. No doubt however dhaandli will be minimized by using this system.
If the machine is connected with centerlized database then it can provide an overall result as soon voting is finished.
AND, unfortunately it stores voters details in local database which is not good.
Source: www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2013/12/12/news/national/nadra-comes-up-with-solution-for-rigging-free-polls/
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Pak Falcon
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
if they can buy gangsters for rigging then they can also buy hackers! So PTI would keep crying about rigging
if they can buy gangsters for rigging then they can also buy hackers! So PTI would keep crying about rigging
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
Looks like this EVM "prototype" or version 1.0 does not transmit data to a centralized database; say at Election Commission's office. Maybe in next upgrade they may come up with transmission of results using cellular phone or any mobile device.
But still this machine seems to prevent vote rigging by proper identification and one vote per person.
One more thing: Since this machine runs on electric power, therefore I am not sure what will happen in case of power outage (which is quite frequent in Pakistan).
Looks like this EVM "prototype" or version 1.0 does not transmit data to a centralized database; say at Election Commission's office. Maybe in next upgrade they may come up with transmission of results using cellular phone or any mobile device.
But still this machine seems to prevent vote rigging by proper identification and one vote per person.
One more thing: Since this machine runs on electric power, therefore I am not sure what will happen in case of power outage (which is quite frequent in Pakistan).
optimistic
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections
These two points are not so important since thumb print faking is not an easy task. The chances of fake vote casting are too low and need much of a hard work and highly time consuming too. By the way i still cant think of a way of thumbprint faking since finger print recognition is quite accurate and is not easy to deceive.
These two points are not so important since thumb print faking is not an easy task. The chances of fake vote casting are too low and need much of a hard work and highly time consuming too. By the way i still cant think of a way of thumbprint faking since finger print recognition is quite accurate and is not easy to deceive.
rizhussain44
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
Yar RS 8000 mai to decent sa mobile phone nahi ai ga!!
Anyway I don't think the cost (100 crores) is just the hardware unit cost of one unit. It must be the cost of developing the whole voting system which would include at least the following items...
1) One or few prototype machines
2) Developing the voting 'application' having various features facilitating 'voter verification', 'vote casting' and 'vote counting'
3) The development of database system behind the scene capable of handling a load of approx 10 crores votes which will be casted within half a day
So it is basically the development cost of this voting system and the each machine unit cost would be much less.
Probably there will be even more components in this system that only a person involved in this project could tell and not every layman like me even think of.
Yar RS 8000 mai to decent sa mobile phone nahi ai ga!!
Anyway I don't think the cost (100 crores) is just the hardware unit cost of one unit. It must be the cost of developing the whole voting system which would include at least the following items...
1) One or few prototype machines
2) Developing the voting 'application' having various features facilitating 'voter verification', 'vote casting' and 'vote counting'
3) The development of database system behind the scene capable of handling a load of approx 10 crores votes which will be casted within half a day
So it is basically the development cost of this voting system and the each machine unit cost would be much less.
Probably there will be even more components in this system that only a person involved in this project could tell and not every layman like me even think of.
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Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
LOL...what do you think mate if I develop for IBM and I am not aware of the software and system development and deployment? I help my friends working for NADRA when they were developing their system. I know what I am talking about.
LOL...what do you think mate if I develop for IBM and I am not aware of the software and system development and deployment? I help my friends working for NADRA when they were developing their system. I know what I am talking about.
janbazali
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: So this is the electronic voting machine that NADRA developed for transparent elections - Looks Great!!
Why "Parchi" ?? ? who will count this parchi ?? this is rubish
when there is Machine, it should automaticly count the numbers and at the end of the day project the result.
Why "Parchi" ?? ? who will count this parchi ?? this is rubish
when there is Machine, it should automaticly count the numbers and at the end of the day project the result.
