Question asked to Atheist which they could not answer. must watch
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PkRevolution
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thank you for great share.
Pakistan1992
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
one can have a debate on to belive which god, but it's horrible when people say there is "no god"
Excellent! Shaykh Nuh Keller had written on this subject a while ago, too. Great read and he exposes this fallacy very adequately with the errors in this crucial "missing link":
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/evolve.htm
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/evolve.htm
Exiled-Pakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
Abdul Haadi
Thanks for posting this thought provoking video. Genetic mutations are observable fact of life, however, it is the laws of genetics itself that prevent the "change in kind". For example, human beings have 23 chromosomes and since neanderthals these chromosomes have remained 23. The genetic mutation has in fact effected our skull size, posture and color etc.
A snail has 24 chromosomes and beans have 22 chromosome; so if theory of "change in kind is true" then snails and beans are our closest relatives not monkeys. Chimpanzees have 48 chromosomes, which makes them far distant relatives than beans and snails
Thanks for posting this thought provoking video. Genetic mutations are observable fact of life, however, it is the laws of genetics itself that prevent the "change in kind". For example, human beings have 23 chromosomes and since neanderthals these chromosomes have remained 23. The genetic mutation has in fact effected our skull size, posture and color etc.
A snail has 24 chromosomes and beans have 22 chromosome; so if theory of "change in kind is true" then snails and beans are our closest relatives not monkeys. Chimpanzees have 48 chromosomes, which makes them far distant relatives than beans and snails
Fakhre Alam
Minister (2k+ posts)
please provide the fb link. i want to share it
QURAN AUR SCIENCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isi3luhoVlI&feature=related
KHALQ E KHUDA KI GHAT MAIN 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm0PO3T9ZvE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-YwYG6thRk&feature=related
Have mankind understood the quran properly?
http://www.jangforum.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=q49fqk4jktgcutk3tfcg1t6fv3&topic=5206.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isi3luhoVlI&feature=related
KHALQ E KHUDA KI GHAT MAIN 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm0PO3T9ZvE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-YwYG6thRk&feature=related
Have mankind understood the quran properly?
http://www.jangforum.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=q49fqk4jktgcutk3tfcg1t6fv3&topic=5206.0
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Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There is another way of thinking about the same concept and it dovetails nicely into evolution. I think Allah created the first living thing what ever it was only Allah knows and then ALLOWED the scientific process of EVOLUTION to take place and thus we have all these KINDS and species.
Allah does say in Koran "Aur ham nay insaan ko khanakti hui mitti say banaya" and I remember from one of the lectures of Dr. Israr that he said that Allah left Adam to develop for some time and then when it was ready breathed a little of HIS qualities into Adam.
Also "Kun,Fa Ya Kun" means Ho ja aur vo ho gayee, but here is a little thought, does it mean instantly or, does it mean Allah ordains a time-frame for that thing which HE wants to happen, and when the time is due that thing happens? get my drift?
Allah does say in Koran "Aur ham nay insaan ko khanakti hui mitti say banaya" and I remember from one of the lectures of Dr. Israr that he said that Allah left Adam to develop for some time and then when it was ready breathed a little of HIS qualities into Adam.
Also "Kun,Fa Ya Kun" means Ho ja aur vo ho gayee, but here is a little thought, does it mean instantly or, does it mean Allah ordains a time-frame for that thing which HE wants to happen, and when the time is due that thing happens? get my drift?
Bubble_in_the_World
MPA (400+ posts)
Allah is Allah .... tht's it ... sooner or later every one will have to believe and those who still don't will know it after their death ... the gap between believe and disbelieve is closing with every passing day because we all are approaching towards our end .... Allah say dua aur faryad hai kay hamara khatma Iman pay naseeb fermana
realitycheck
Senator (1k+ posts)
Can some one send this video to "Khalifa of Islam " ......... for "Khalifa of Islam " please click here ..... https://twitter.com/khalifaofislam
Even Qadiyanis believe that they were monkeys before including the person who started this nonsense cult
Even Qadiyanis believe that they were monkeys before including the person who started this nonsense cult
Slim Mushi
Banned
The question he is asking is so stupid because Darwin theory is a theory not a fact, you don't have to believe in a theory but you can also if you find it reasonable. And i don't understand why people are so insecure about their faith, why always we have to prove others wrong just to satisfy our ego's. If you believe in something good for you it's a personal choice. Secondly this idiot should know first that Evolution is a very lengthy and almost invisible process which takes millions of years to occur and those Phd dumb asses couldn't answer a simple question.
This is a stupid video. Amateurs.
Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. The man wants observable evidence, can he not observe change in inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations that have passed before him?
Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. The man wants observable evidence, can he not observe change in inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations that have passed before him?
realitycheck
Senator (1k+ posts)
Bro he is asking about the evidence about changing from 1 kind to another ... e.g. evolutionist that a wheel change into a cow .... he asking about that evidence
characteristics can simply be assumed as adaptability ... while changing from 1 kind to another is different ..... like as they say cow change into an elephant ?
for you i will suggest this debate .....
characteristics can simply be assumed as adaptability ... while changing from 1 kind to another is different ..... like as they say cow change into an elephant ?
for you i will suggest this debate .....
These kind of discussions shows us reality of our understanding of things regardless we are theists or atheists.
The point missing here is available evidence and its explanation.
It is the explanation of the available evidence that is the proof not the evidence itself.
Evolution is a fact in a context. Proof provides the context because it explains how things connect together on basis of reason.
We have a pile of pebbles and a hammer and a pile of broken pebbles. Does it mean anything on its own? No. Why not? Because it lacks explanation. Once one comes up and tells us that hammer has been used to break pebbles to lay a concrete floor, we have the proof because available evidence now makes sense through showing us the connection between things along with the purpose of the exercise.
when mullahs and scientists get to that level of thinking, our understanding of world will change drastically.
The same will also happen when mullahs and secularist are able to think out the link between human population and resources and their proper management for the good of mankind. Till then we will do ourselves a great favour to keep on learning and helping each other learn.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...terpretation&p=2042659&viewfull=1#post2042659
The point missing here is available evidence and its explanation.
It is the explanation of the available evidence that is the proof not the evidence itself.
Evolution is a fact in a context. Proof provides the context because it explains how things connect together on basis of reason.
We have a pile of pebbles and a hammer and a pile of broken pebbles. Does it mean anything on its own? No. Why not? Because it lacks explanation. Once one comes up and tells us that hammer has been used to break pebbles to lay a concrete floor, we have the proof because available evidence now makes sense through showing us the connection between things along with the purpose of the exercise.
when mullahs and scientists get to that level of thinking, our understanding of world will change drastically.
The same will also happen when mullahs and secularist are able to think out the link between human population and resources and their proper management for the good of mankind. Till then we will do ourselves a great favour to keep on learning and helping each other learn.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...terpretation&p=2042659&viewfull=1#post2042659
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dear watandost, it matters not what something is created from but the end product in its own right. In this world everything is recycled many times over because living organisms are decomposed and recomposed over and over again and again by set-up processes, systems, mechanisms and laws. After all we accept that we are products of this universe and this universe also produced everything else along with humanity. We all have come from the very same thing. If our creation from the very same dust does not affect our ashrafal mukhlooqi then how can anything else? As I understand things mankind are ashraful makhluqaat because they have been given brains and bodies that are capable of accomplishing divine goals that no other animal or living thing can. Do you think a cow could land on the moon even if it had a human brain with its body as it is?
Brother please think things through thoroughly so that you could realise errors in your thoughts. Evolution is a theory, yes but think about what a theory is. Theory is proof if it proves to serve its purpose and cannot be refuted by a better explanation. Have you attended any court cases? You will see therein arguments are involved to solve cases. These arguments are explanations for proving or disproving claims or accusations. The explanation that stands in the end is accepted as the proof for or against the claim or accusation.
The quran is word of Allah is a claim, to prove it is the case or not the case, the opposing sides put forth explanations and the explanation that stands in the end will win the argument. This is why any muslim worth the name should look for that decisive argument. This decisive argument cannot come till one is able to explain the purpose for creation satisfactorily, which cannot be done unless one studies the quran deeply and widely in light of deep and wide life experience.
There is no atheist on the face of this earth who could argue successfully against existence of God. It is because finite things cannot come to existence unless there is such a being who is not finite in his existence.
The real argument is why we are here? We cannot answer that just from ourselves, can we? We rely on divine intervention in form of revelation. This calls for proper examination of all allegedly divine scriptures.
Can anyone who is not even self aware examine anything at all? Could you tell when you were born that the quran is word of Allah? You did not even know you have a brain and body or that you were a human being. It all comes with life experience as time passes on and you keep learning and thinking things through.
Can anyone examine or judge anything without going through a very long learning process? Were you able to do that? No. What does that tell you? It tells you you are not in a position to examine anything till you have prepared yourself for it through very hard work at it. This is what awareness about universal realities is all about. Only when you are reasonably familiar with things as your life experience, you are able to examine and give your judgement about them. It is because to examine or judge anything you always fall back on your own life experience. This is why the deeper and the wider your life experiences the better are your life decisions.
Only when people are educated by themselves to a level whereat they can clearly see the need for divine revelation, they come to realise what they are looking for in allegedly divine scriptures. This is why they can examine them objectively and honestly. This is why the quran is out of reach of all ignorant people.
That is because to examine quran one needs to be a very skilled person in collecting related information and making sense of it. Also enemies of quran will do all they can to try and destroy it so it is out of their reach as well, so that they cannot destroy it.
Only sincere people make utmost efforts to try and learn things properly for the good of themselves and others. Rest are either time wasters or predators looking for prey.
One does not become true muslim by mere declaration that one will live as a muslim rather one has to do as one is required to do by the quran. This again brings us back to the point that before one could do things one has to find out for sure what the quran requires one to do.
The first and foremost thing the quran requires of people is, gain knowledge as much as it is possible for them.
The second foremost thing the quran requires of people is, spread knowledge that they have acquired as wide and as far as possible for them.
This knowledge will tell people what is the next step ie to come together as a proper human community and so on and so forth.
So it is not right to discourage learning and understanding things. The quicker people learn things the sooner they will come to see which way thye ought to be going. otherwise will will keep on fighting with each other and the real purpose of revelation will have to wait to be found out.
regards and all the best.
