Policy Matters - 21st January 2011 - Hassan Nisar, Ameer Hamza, Fareed Paracha, Abid Minto, Khalid Z

tiger54

MPA (400+ posts)
definitely not but he wont pass a fatwa to have him murdered :)
and remember v live ina democracy not a taliban land !!!
I already made it clear in poll, at my part both of them did wrong job.

Will Tahir ul Qadri favour Taseer’s comments about Blasphemy Law?
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
definitely not but he wont pass a fatwa to have him murdered :)
and remember v live ina democracy not a taliban land !!!

He reserve his right in favour or against murder. Question is why Govt. took any action against him (Taseer), who gave him right to abuse Law.
I know I live in democracy where big mouths are set free to please west.
 
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tiger54

MPA (400+ posts)
no one has the right to kill anyone and everyone has the right to his/her opinion to any man made law! even in islam you can question anything!
and u live in a potential taliban land where people behead each other on not liking "kadu sharif"
get a life u looser!
He reserve his right in favour or against murder. Question is why Govt. took any action against him (Taseer), who gave him right to abuse Law.
I know I live in democracy where big mouths are set free to please west.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
no one has the right to kill anyone and everyone has the right to his/her opinion to any man made law! even in islam you can question anything!
and u live in a potential taliban land where people behead each other on not liking "kadu sharif"
get a life u looser!

Let us ask Tahir ul Qadri "is blasphmy law is man made or God made and what is the punishment"?


You are living in illusion if you think you are in a country were blasphemer have free hand. If Govt. will support blasphmer public reaction is obvious.
 

Just_one

Banned
Manto raised a very valid point which went unanswered. He said there is no "definition" of blasphemy in the blasphemy law of 295c.

If someone is a non-Muslim, and says that Prophet Muhammad is not is the prophet of God, and
prefers his own religious figure over him, would this be blasphemy?

What if a Christian tries to preach his religion by advocating that we should believe in Jesus Christ being the son of God and not believe what Prophet Muhammad and Qur'an said about him? Would that be blashpmey?


If so, you are taking someone's right to profess his beliefs, yet Muslims enjoy this right. This is called discrimination and religious persecution.


And furthermore, this law is specifically discriminatory against religious minorities.


A Muslim can hypothetically attack Baba Guru Nanak - the founder and main figure of Sikhism - and get away with it. No law will persecute this Muslim! But if a Sikh says something about Prophet Muhammad, he will be punished to death!


Is this justice?


Furthermore, Ahmediyas are also citizens of Pakistan. They also have their main religious figure in Mirza Qadiyani. Well, Mirza Qadiyani is repeatedly insulted in Pakistan on TV channels and other avenues. Is there a law to protect their religious sensitives in Pakistan?


Is this justice?


This article 295c IS unjust and needs to be repealed.


Or


The main figures of ALL the religions should be included in this law. Then minorities will be on equal footing.


If you don't agree with either, do you support discrimination and oppression of minorities and, furthermore, injustice?
 

mrright

Banned
this is what happens when u try to rule a country by religion.
as i said before religion has done more harm than good
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
this is what happens when u try to rule a country by religion.
as i said before religion has done more harm than good

Who are running country Secular or Religious. Who are damaging country though corruption, nepotism, scams and money laundering.
 

mrright

Banned
you are making things more complicated, we just need to get rid of this religious crap.
make it a secular state so v can focus on bigger and better things.
Manto raised a very valid point which went unanswered. He said there is no "definition" of blasphemy in the blasphemy law of 295c.

If someone is a non-Muslim, and says that Prophet Muhammad is not is the prophet of God, and
prefers his own religious figure over him, would this be blasphemy?

What if a Christian tries to preach his religion by advocating that we should believe in Jesus Christ being the son of God and not believe what Prophet Muhammad and Qur'an said about him? Would that be blashpmey?


If so, you are taking someone's right to profess his beliefs, yet Muslims enjoy this right. This is called discrimination and religious persecution.


And furthermore, this law is specifically discriminatory against religious minorities.


A Muslim can hypothetically attack Baba Guru Nanak - the founder and main figure of Sikhism - and get away with it. No law will persecute this Muslim! But if a Sikh says something about Prophet Muhammad, he will be punished to death!


Is this justice?


Furthermore, Ahmediyas are also citizens of Pakistan. They also have their main religious figure in Mirza Qadiyani. Well, Mirza Qadiyani is repeatedly insulted in Pakistan on TV channels and other avenues. Is there a law to protect their religious sensitives in Pakistan?


Is this justice?


This article 295c IS unjust and needs to be repealed.


Or


The main figures of ALL the religions should be included in this law. Then minorities will be on equal footing.


If you don't agree with either, do you support discrimination and oppression of minorities and, furthermore, injustice?
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
nahh v should just get rid of all this religious crap so v can focus on other stuff to build this country.

All focus is on Swiss bank accounts, more $ from America, appointing corrupt friends on key posts, backing up fake degree holders and fooling masses on religion.
 

mrright

Banned
exactly so lets focus on one thing at a time
1) removal of religious crap , all of them from the law
2) enforcement of law (punish each and everyone who breaks law including corrupt politicians) shoot them on site
3) better management of money (v spend too much on our army, forgods sake v r a nuclear power no one is going to invade us)
4) utilizing all our resources (billions of dollars worth of coal is just sitting there)
and so on and on but one at a time

All focus is on Swiss bank accounts, more $ from America, appointing corrupt friends on key posts, backing up fake degree holders and fooling masses on religion.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
exactly so lets focus on one thing at a time
1) removal of religious crap , all of them from the law
2) enforcement of law (punish each and everyone who breaks law including corrupt politicians) shoot them on site
3) better management of money (v spend too much on our army, forgods sake v r a nuclear power no one is going to invade us)
4) utilizing all our resources (billions of dollars worth of coal is just sitting there)
and so on and on but one at a time

Did Zardari care your priorities? You are just a ballot paper.:lol:
 

Winnige

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan is become a jungle, people are becomes animals, like qadri and his supporters, what a country of fools
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
The mullah is just using islam for there own benefit. They dont give a damn to anything else. Different sect mullah have made our society a menace. Islam is a very beutiful religion. The best in the world. Who teaches peace , not just with muslims but to live in peace with everyone in the world. Lets not get into these mullah hand. They will make us a fool by taking advantage.
The next thing coming up for pakistanis is most of these mullah will ask for a vote on the name of our prophet (pbuh) and the next thing we will see is moulana diesel becoming a Prime minister. Ina lila hi wa ina ilaihi ragioon.
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Did Zardari care your priorities? You are just a ballot paper.:lol:
The mullah is just using islam for there own benefit. They dont give a damn to anything else. Different sect mullah have made our society a menace. Islam is a very beutiful religion. The best in the world. Who teaches peace , not just with muslims but to live in peace with everyone in the world. Lets not get into these mullah hand. They will make us a fool by taking advantage.
The next thing coming up for pakistanis is most of these mullah will ask for a vote on the name of our prophet (pbuh) and the next thing we will see is moulana diesel becoming a Prime minister. Ina lila hi wa ina ilaihi ragioon.​
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
These mullah are the biggest munafiq of all. I used to think Jamat i islami had doctors and engineers as there supporters. I am not sure what has got into them?
The argument of Jamaats guy to come to there protest because we are a muslim. Come on what the crap, next thing you will say if you are a muslim vote for us?? are you sick or mentally retard.
I hate you all mullah and we will take good care of our prophet (pbuh) name. No one can say or do anything wrong against our prophet ( pbuh) But please dont play with our emotions for your own benefit.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
The mullah is just using islam for there own benefit. They dont give a damn to anything else. Different sect mullah have made our society a menace. Islam is a very beutiful religion. The best in the world. Who teaches peace , not just with muslims but to live in peace with everyone in the world. Lets not get into these mullah hand. They will make us a fool by taking advantage.
The next thing coming up for pakistanis is most of these mullah will ask for a vote on the name of our prophet (pbuh) and the next thing we will see is moulana diesel becoming a Prime minister. Ina lila hi wa ina ilaihi ragioon.

Similarly the seculars using Roti Kapra Makan. Different regional, linguist and provincial parties have made country a war zone.

Beauty of Islam will not reveal until it will be followed in all aspects of lives, only slogans are not enough.

In coming election seculars will again cheat you on Roti Kapra and Makan, you will stupidly believe them. Shame
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Similarly the seculars using Roti Kapra Makan. Different regional, linguist and provincial parties have made country a war zone.

Beauty of Islam will not reveal until it will be followed in all aspects of lives, only slogans are not enough.

In coming election seculars will again cheat you on Roti Kapra and Makan, you will stupidly believe them. Shame
So what are you suggesting we should listen to these mullah and start fighting with our own muslim brothers of different sect??? Or start fighting with the seculars and kill them all???
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Who ever is wrong is WRONG. have the guts to say it. All the parties take advantage of pakistanis wether they are secular or these mullah. But there is a difference... these mullah take the name of our religion and use it for there own self. Thats what make them more hypocrat in my eyes. I dont want to allow any one to use our religions name and make it look bad. We are more than capable to take care of our religion and our prophet (pbuh) name. We dont need bloody mullah.
 

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