Pakistan virtually loses out on Indian dam

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ISLAMABAD: Thanks to the incompetence of Pakistani governments so-called water experts, Pakistan has, for all practical purposes, lost the case against India on the controversial 330MW Kishenganga Hydropower project even before the formal commencement of the legal battle in the court of arbitration as India has already completed 40 percent construction work on the project, reveals the latest monthly report of the project exclusively available with The News.

The report belies the statement of water and power ministrys official before the Senate Committee on Water on Wednesday, in which he had said that India had only completed 23.5 percent work on the project. The monthly report, however, unveils that 29 percent work on the Spillway left bank, 36 percent on the Head Race Tunnel and 48 percent on the Surge Shaft has been completed. If the report is to be believed, the ministry has seriously misguided the Senate Committee. The News repeatedly tried to contact the ministry spokesman but he did not respond.

The report also unveils that three countries the UK, Italy and Germany are supporting India in the construction of the controversial Kishenganga project while Pakistan has failed to garner such support from major countries in its legal battle. The report says that for the execution of the project, M/s Kishenganga Consortium with HCC Ltd, is acting as a lead partner, while M/s Halcow Group Ltd, UK, is a partner and M/s SELI SJZA Italy, M/s BHEL, M/s DSD NOELL Gmbll Germany & M/s PES engineers Pvt. Ltd are subcontractors.

India has already reduced the timeframe to complete the Kishenganga project by 2014 while Pakistan has set a new target to execute the Neelum-Jhelum project by 2016. India is using the advanced Tunnel Boring Machine to complete its project as per the new timeline while Pakistan has even failed to acquire the technology thus far. However, sources claim that Pakistan will be able to get the TBM by January 2012 and make it operational by next June or July to expedite work on the project. But by that time, India will have completed 80% of its project, said an insider.

All members of the Court of Arbitration (CoA) constituted to resolve the dispute over the Kishenganga Hydropower project in the light of the Indus Waters Treaty had earlier visited Pakistan and India from June 15 to assess how much work had been completed on the Neelum-Jehlum Hydropower and Kishenganga projects, top official at the Ministry of Water and Power told The News.

Neelum-Jhelum is a very important project being built by Pakistan on the Neelum River in the AJK, explained a water ministry source. The country that completes the project first will have water priority rights of the Neelum River. If the Court of Arbitration assesses that the N-J project lags behind the Kishenganga project, Pakistan will not only lose water priority rights but also the legal battle with India. On the other hand, if the CoA finds that the Indian project is far behind the N-J project in terms of construction work, India will lose the battle and water priority rights.

Pakistan has already moved the Court of Arbitration in Hague to stop India from constructing the Kishenganga Dam, arguing that India was negating the Indus Waters Treaty 1960 by diverting the water through the 22-km tunnel to generate 330MW of electricity.

Pakistan deposited its memorandum with the CoA at the end of May 2011 and under the procedure, India will get six months to submit its reply. The Kishenganga project is likely to be completed by 2014 whereas the Neelum-Jhelum project is to be completed by 2016. It is feared that by the time the CoA starts hearing the case, India will already have completed 90 percent of the project, top sources confided to The News. It is pertinent to point out that Pakistans team on this critical issue had been led by Kamal Majidullah, the former adviser on water and agriculture, and considered a close friend of the president.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=7243&Cat=13&dt=7/7/2011
 

Unicorn

Banned
They lost the case because they didn't have a case to begin with. India is acting in accordance with the water treaty.
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Keep in mind the FUTURE WARS will be fought on water issue.
And its fact that the water flows toward PAKISTAN from PAKISTANI HELD kashmir by INDIA.
UN is not acting according to its own RESOLUTION on KASHMIR.
So all we have to do is try to CONVINCE the world to act according to ground reality.
If they dont.
Than
These all occupied dams needs ONE HIT.
ONE SMART ATOMIC BOMB per DAM.
Not a big DEAL.
CHEERS my INDI fellows.
 

saeed khan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Few days before India said it was a mistake to stop table talks with Pakistan after Bombay attack so we should start talks again.
After this our politicians welcomed it and are happy to start talks again.
But who suffered loss because of Bombay attacks? it is Pakistan, because after this drama India stopped any type of discussion with Pakistan and in those five years build many illegal dams and we kept quite.
Now after completion of illegal dams again to keep Pakistan quite India wants peace talks with Pakistan.
In my childhood I heard from my elders about a banya "baghal main chhuri mune main ram ram". Now I have seen it practically.
 

Scorpion

Banned
They lost the case because they didn't have a case to begin with. India is acting in accordance with the water treaty.

They didnt lost the case because of India acting in accordance with the treaty . . . . They lost because they were incompetents . . . .

Any way waste more of your Dollars on such projects . . . . I ll love to see the videos of Bursting Dams in the next war which will going to be fought on the issue of Water . . . . Weapon used will be the Durandel which can penetrate 80 feets of concrete . . . . By that time even this incompetent lot will be no more . . . . .

Bye Bye . . . . Lets meet in the next war . . . .
 

bravo

Banned
They didnt lost the case because of India acting in accordance with the treaty . . . . They lost because they were incompetents . . . .

Any way waste more of your Dollars on such projects . . . . I ll love to see the videos of Bursting Dams in the next war which will going to be fought on the issue of Water . . . . Weapon used will be the Durandel which can penetrate 80 feets of concrete . . . . By that time even this incompetent lot will be no more . . . . .

Bye Bye . . . . Lets meet in the next war . . . .

India should scrap indus water treaty..its 2 country treaty and its scrapable !!india is not getting enough water from rivers which flow from our land!!

We let the treaty exist in event of 4 wars!!but now since we are 1.2 billions and we want our water!!so treaty should be scrapped or renegotiated with new clauses in favor of india!!
 

Unicorn

Banned
They didnt lost the case because of India acting in accordance with the treaty . . . . They lost because they were incompetents . . . .

Any way waste more of your Dollars on such projects . . . . I ll love to see the videos of Bursting Dams in the next war which will going to be fought on the issue of Water . . . . Weapon used will be the Durandel which can penetrate 80 feets of concrete . . . . By that time even this incompetent lot will be no more . . . . .

Bye Bye . . . . Lets meet in the next war . . . .

If that happens than it will be proven that we are equally incompetent.
 

ealtaf

Minister (2k+ posts)
Keep in mind the FUTURE WARS will be fought on water issue.
And its fact that the water flows toward PAKISTAN from PAKISTANI HELD kashmir by INDIA.
UN is not acting according to its own RESOLUTION on KASHMIR.
So all we have to do is try to CONVINCE the world to act according to ground reality.
If they dont.
Than
These all occupied dams needs ONE HIT.
ONE SMART ATOMIC BOMB per DAM.
Not a big DEAL.
CHEERS my INDI fellows.

And TO MY INDIAN FRIENDS: We will surely gona do this.
 

ealtaf

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is clear that India is pursuing a strategy of stopping Pakistan water supplies by making alot of dams in Indian occupied Kashmir. This strategy will severely harm mutual relations of both countries and will ignite hatred in Pakistan against India. This will eventually end up in drought in Pakistan and hunger for people of Pakistan. In that situation a full scale war is inevitable between two bordering countries. Pakistan will simply go for final options that are atomic attack on India and India will retaliate in same fashion. At that time earth will see over 1 billion of human population will vanish. Making these dams is an act of aggression and war against Pakistan. Why Indian politicians and decision makers are so foolish that they are taking these kind of decisions. This will not help them in any way, future wars will not be like wars in 1700's or 1800's, why are they become blind in hatred and greed. It is a question of survival of more than 1.5 billion humans. Please Stop this aggression for the sake of humanity...
 

bravo

Banned
It is clear that India is pursuing a strategy of stopping Pakistan water supplies by making alot of dams in Indian occupied Kashmir. This strategy will severely harm mutual relations of both countries and will ignite hatred in Pakistan against India. This will eventually end up in drought in Pakistan and hunger for people of Pakistan. In that situation a full scale war is inevitable between two bordering countries. Pakistan will simply go for final options that are atomic attack on India and India will retaliate in same fashion. At that time earth will see over 1 billion of human population will vanish. Making these dams is an act of aggression and war against Pakistan. Why Indian politicians and decision makers are so foolish that they are taking these kind of decisions. This will not help them in any way, future wars will not be like wars in 1700's or 1800's, why are they become blind in hatred and greed. It is a question of survival of more than 1.5 billion humans. Please Stop this aggression for the sake of humanity...

building dam for hydel power doesnt mean to take water !!all the dams are being built as per guide lines of IWT!!
Even the article says so :whoever builds the dam first is allowed to use certain % of water!!IWT has flexible norms and pakistan surely got more than balanced deal in its favor!!

india has 1.2 billion mouth to feed and provide energy!!Pakistan should stop cribbing and build its own dams like kalabagh and stop wasting water which flows into arabian sea!!

According to water conservation report that Pakistan wasted 30-40% water !!Build your dams and generate electricity!!
india has never blocked rivers(even during war times) and nor does it want to deprive poor people of pakistan!!


Stop thinking like a loser and maniac that :dam wont be used to block water...it may be only used for consumption by local inhabitants of kashmir (which is allowed as per treaty)

Those who thinks :pakistan can nuke dams ; are dreaming.if you nuke dams,we will remove pakistan from map of world !!Remember that india has hydrogen bumb.india will only lose 30% of big city but pakistan cant survive indian nuke attacks;india has been buidling nukes since 1965 and current stock of indian bombs is sufficient enough to nuke every parts of pakistan and china!!

India has been spending enough money on ballistic missile defense; assuming 90% of hit ratio,any single nuke hit in any any parts of india,pakistan will be out of worlds map :) with 90% hit ratio; at max india will get 10 nukes out of your 100 fission nukes stocks;but that day pakistan name will become history in this world with merely 4-5 indian hydrogen bombs.

i hope; rational people stop ranting about use of nuclear usage bombs
!go and save your *** from taliban and learn to earn your own money than begging from every country !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5g_XbY34oI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKOrG1US6AA

Babur and hatf cruise missiles which were first produced in chinese labs with the tow hawk cruise fallen in afganistan-pakistan border areas in 1998 ;cant even fly faster than 1 mach ;will be easily intercepted by akash missiles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laR3yp2Rr1A&feature=related
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
And TO MY INDIAN FRIENDS: We will surely gona do this.

It is clear that India is pursuing a strategy of stopping Pakistan water supplies by making alot of dams in Indian occupied Kashmir. This strategy will severely harm mutual relations of both countries and will ignite hatred in Pakistan against India. This will eventually end up in drought in Pakistan and hunger for people of Pakistan. In that situation a full scale war is inevitable between two bordering countries. Pakistan will simply go for final options that are atomic attack on India and India will retaliate in same fashion. At that time earth will see over 1 billion of human population will vanish. Making these dams is an act of aggression and war against Pakistan. Why Indian politicians and decision makers are so foolish that they are taking these kind of decisions. This will not help them in any way, future wars will not be like wars in 1700's or 1800's, why are they become blind in hatred and greed. It is a question of survival of more than 1.5 billion humans. Please Stop this aggression for the sake of humanity...
Why this sudden mellowing down of views in a span of 15 minutes? It actually is good on your part, but the point is India is not violating the Indus water treaty so no act of aggression.
Read the treaty in detail and talk to experts on the subject instead of indulging in blind accusations.
 

BrotherKantu

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India thought America is here for ever and She will keep sitting in his lap and America will keep doing her Chuch Chuch. In this whole Chess game of super powers, India will be the biggest looser. And just like America, looser can't be chooser.
 

ealtaf

Minister (2k+ posts)
building dam for hydel power doesnt mean to take water !!all the dams are being built as per guide lines of IWT!!
Even the article says so :whoever builds the dam first is allowed to use certain % of water!!IWT has flexible norms and pakistan surely got more than balanced deal in its favor!!

india has 1.2 billion mouth to feed and provide energy!!Pakistan should stop cribbing and build its own dams like kalabagh and stop wasting water which flows into arabian sea!!

According to water conservation report that Pakistan wasted 30-40% water !!Build your dams and generate electricity!!
india has never blocked rivers(even during war times) and nor does it want to deprive poor people of pakistan!!


Stop thinking like a loser and maniac that :dam wont be used to block water...it may be only used for consumption by local inhabitants of kashmir (which is allowed as per treaty)

Those who thinks :pakistan can nuke dams ; are dreaming.if you nuke dams,we will remove pakistan from map of world !!Remember that india has hydrogen bumb.india will only lose 30% of big city but pakistan cant survive indian nuke attacks;india has been buidling nukes since 1965 and current stock of indian bombs is sufficient enough to nuke every parts of pakistan and china!!

India has been spending enough money on ballistic missile defense; assuming 90% of hit ratio,any single nuke hit in any any parts of india,pakistan will be out of worlds map :) with 90% hit ratio; at max india will get 10 nukes out of your 100 fission nukes stocks;but that day pakistan name will become history in this world with merely 4-5 indian hydrogen bombs.

i hope; rational people stop ranting about use of nuclear usage bombs
!go and save your *** from taliban and learn to earn your own money than begging from every country !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5g_XbY34oI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKOrG1US6AA

Babur and hatf cruise missiles which were first produced in chinese labs with the tow hawk cruise fallen in afganistan-pakistan border areas in 1998 ;cant even fly faster than 1 mach ;will be easily intercepted by akash missiles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laR3yp2Rr1A&feature=related

Keep on following your fascist agenda, the birth child of narrow Indian fascist mind that is mingling with politics of subcontinent. Surely you gonna loose big time and remember enmity with Pakistan is bad, you will see a big change in next 2 years.
 

Scorpion

Banned
India should scrap indus water treaty..its 2 country treaty and its scrapable !!india is not getting enough water from rivers which flow from our land!!

We let the treaty exist in event of 4 wars!!but now since we are 1.2 billions and we want our water!!so treaty should be scrapped or renegotiated with new clauses in favor of india!!

Dear,

You scrap the treaty and I give you a Nuclear Kiss . . . . Loyal elements in ISI are already waiting for a justification to launch a war against you . . . . .
It would be another mistake like the May 3rd 1998 explosions in Pukhran . . . . It give us the justification to teach you Indians a lesson . . . . And who can forget May 28th . . . .

Bye Bye . . . . Lets meet in the next war . . . .
 

change

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
We Pakistanies are in the habit of tripping our guilts on others. The thing is every country looks after its own interests. Pakistan and Pakistanies should look after their own interests. But unfortunately our history suggests that Pakistanies never looked after their own interests rather they saved the interests of others. That means Pakistanies always worked for others and not for their country, this is why i say we've more Ghadars than petriots. Consider the following facts with regard to IWT:

Indust Water Treaty {IWT**:
First; by virtue of this treaty Pakistan accorded India exclusive right to use water of Three Eastern Rivers [Sutlej, Beas & Ravi]. Ironic that Pakistani negotiators acted in favour of India. It looks that they were negotiating this treaty on behalf of India instead Pakistan. They deliberately ignored the fact that India had a plan to use rights under this treaty as a weapon to dry up Pakistan. [The question is should we blame India or ourselves given the fact that Pakistan signed this treaty voluntareely, so whose fault is this?]

Secondly; What was the need of this treaty, why Pakistan rushed for it? If at all Pakistan wanted a treaty, India should have not given exclusive right to use eastern rivers rather both countries should have given equal rights to use all Six rivers [three eastern & three weastern]. Why our negotiators did not emphasis on equal rights on all six rivers? Pakistani logic for this treaty was that 'india would stop their water', so we should bound India not to do that by this treaty. This logic is not justified under International Water Laws. Under International Water Laws upper riparian state cannot stop water flowing to lower riparian state. So legally speaking India could not stop water flow to Pakistan. [India is a upper riparian state and Pakistan is a lower riparian state coz water flows from India to Pakistan].

Signing IWT was a blunder. Pakistan lost the protection of International Water Laws because after signing this treaty the rights and duties of both parties can only be determined in accordance with the provisions of this treaty. Why Pakistani International Law and Policy experts ignored this legal issue?

Third; after signing treaty, why Pakistan remained negligent to monitor Indian activities with regarding to this treaty. History of indian violations of the treaty is not new, why Pakistanies were hiburnating for such a long time? The first time Pakistanies complained against indian violation it was with regard to Buglihar Dam and it was too late as well [Pakistan lost on it]. Why Pakistanies kept their eyes shut when India was doing all these violations in the begining? When Pakistanies say that India is our enemy then how they can be so ignorant of their enemy's adverse activities against them? They keep sleeping and then all of sudden wake up and start moaning 'oh india is doing this, india is doing that'. [Lazy buggers].

Fourth; Under international treaty laws Pakistan can revoke this treaty or at least renegotiate it, if Pakistan succeeds to make a strong case. My question is why Pakistan is still keeping alive an apparent unfair treaty? Either Pakistan is not interested to maintian its rights or there is no truth in the allegations against India. [Pakistanies are protecting indian interests by not initiating this process?]

Fifth: War; It sounds really irresponsible to proclaim a war agaisnt India on water. I wonder Pakistan is not ready for a legal battle to renegotiate the treaty with India but Pakistan is ready for a military action against India. Those Pakistanies who're eager to have a war with india are enemies of Pakistan because Pakistan is not in a position to have an arm conflict with any country at this time. [i've no doubt that pakistan has the ability to fight with india, but this is not the solution, if they think war is the solution then why they signed Indus Water Treaty?].

Anyway, the bottomline is we Pakistanies are our own worse enemies. When we do something, we just look for the temporarily solution, we dont foresee future affects of our present actions. We deserve whatever is and will happen to us in future. We've no right to complaint to India because India looks after its own interests, if we cannot look after our own interests it's not India's fault its our own fault, so why do we blame India?