Of Hazrat Aishas (R.A) age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

[DEFENCE]

Re: Of Aishas age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

Dear friend,
If you don't already know that to reach to truth isn't easy. You have to tread the path full of thornes, insults and wounds. There are certain truths that make us stronger the others make us disillusioned and even more that cut us asunder. Tell me what possible benefit is there to know that if Aisha was eight or eighteen at the time of her Nikah, or the age of her at the time of her consumation? The subject will provide the opponents an oppertunity to come and attack. I don't consider it wise to speak abourt something I have no first hand knowledge. When all use the same sources to prove their opposiing claims, the doors of disharmony open ajar.
Tell me honestly why it's important for any of us to discuss the controvertial matters? Would there be any wisdom in discussing the times existing just in the remote history?
We behave and function according to norms of any existing times, how can we accept or reject the practices of few thousand years back?
Any such discussion will flare up many, antagonize the feelings and give rise to unneccesary confrontations.
Without further elaborations I conclude my explanation, with a hope that you understand my point of view.
Not all kind of truth is good to know.

Come on what is wrong with you. Please dont take it as a offend.
Problem is with those people who flare up, insults each others without knowledge calling others Kafir. Not with those who want to reach the truth. "When we try to reveal the truth then it would be problem for us." Halarious. It is order of God to get to truth. We cannot say to God that we believed in what we learnt from our molvies. Learn the truth and spread it. Not in a manner to insult or fight or to say kaffir to others. but to find the truth. To believe in what is right and to believe something which is wrong. There is some difference in it.

 

[Aleph]

DEFENCE:

What TruthLover is saying makes a lot of sense. Trying to grasp and indulge in topics without even knowing the rudimentary basics of that issue can be harmful. For example, awan4ever posted this article in good faith from Dawn (Nilofer writes for Dawn, doesnt she?).

However, Ms. Nilofer is completely missing the point in her write-up on the matter. This is NOT about the memory of Hisham ibn Urwah. The matter rather has to do with what I wrote over here - a sahih ahad narrative can have the possibility of small errors in a lengthy hadith. This is what happens when people who are not of this field start debating about hadith.

The muhadditheen (experts in this field) know that this topic has nothing to do with Hisham's (rah) memory, but rather it is a matter of corroboration. Like I mentioned, no one can say with certainty what her age was because there are many versions and Imam Bukhari (as per his crtieria) found this version most believable.

i mean forget the matter of Ayesha (AS) age. Do you know that even the birth date and date of death of Rasulullah (SAW) is contested? These are scholarly matters and when you will have lay people or half-baked people discuss such topics (such as myself) then you will end up with wrong conclusions.

Discretion is better than valor, especially in matters of faith.

 

[awan4ever]

Re: Of Aishas age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

So sunnis are now going to accept the truth that some hadiths in their SAHIS are not sahi. Well done accept the truth.

But you are never going to accept the fact that your creed didnt even exist pre-karbala.

Anyway I do NOT want to make this a sectarian thread. So if you have nothing to good to say then dont. This is a matter of very delicate nature so if your sectarian mind is too feeble to get around it try some other threads.

 

[DEFENCE]

DEFENCE:

Incorrect! The inconsistency in a narration is attributed to natural human error and not because a person was a "weak narrator". Even a thiqah (trustworthy) narrator can slip in one word in a lengthy hadith. To explain this with an example, imagine the following:

If there are 5 trustworthy people (persons A, B, C, D and E) and they all hear you say the following: Defence says, "I have green eyes, white skin and black hair" then the following could be what each narrates:

Person A: Defence says, "I have green eyes, white skin and black hair"
Person B: Defence says, "I have green eyes, black skin and white hair"
Person C: Defence says, "I have green eyes, black hair and white skin"
Person D: Defence says, "I have black eyes, white skin and black hair"
Person E: Defence says, "I have green eyes and white skin"

Clearly person A, C and E have narrated correctly. Although, person E has narrated 2/3rds of the content only whereas Person C has narrated the same thing, but in different tarteeb. However, all these 4 are corroborating each other and Person B and D can be identified as having slipped in narrating the color of your skin and eyes respectively.

Now imagine if Person D was the only one present to hear you narrate that. Then all we would have is Person D's version and since this would be a lone narrative from a trustworthy person, we would keep room for human error.

Even if person A was the only one, we would STILL leave room for error because no one else corroborates what he is saying.

Comprende?

For the bold part: No its not just human error. If any untrustworthy narrator comes in the chain of narrators then the hadith become weak (or zaeef whatever you say)

You have quoted all the examples of human errors or tarteebs. but there are also some hadiths in Sihah Sitta that are totally against the Quran in mafhoom. If you need examples I can quote them.

 

[DEFENCE]

DEFENCE:

What TruthLover is saying makes a lot of sense. Trying to grasp and indulge in topics without even knowing the rudimentary basics of that issue can be harmful. For example, awan4ever posted this article in good faith from Dawn (Nilofer writes for Dawn, doesnt she?).

However, Ms. Nilofer is completely missing the point in her write-up on the matter. This is NOT about the memory of Hisham ibn Urwah. The matter rather has to do with what I wrote over here - a sahih ahad narrative can have the possibility of small errors in a lengthy hadith. This is what happens when people who are not of this field start debating about hadith.

The muhadditheen (experts in this field) know that this topic has nothing to do with Hisham's (rah) memory, but rather it is a matter of corroboration. Like I mentioned, no one can say with certainty what her age was because there are many versions and Imam Bukhari (as per his crtieria) found this version most believable.

i mean forget the matter of Ayesha (AS) age. Do you know that even the birth date and date of death of Rasulullah (SAW) is contested? These are scholarly matters and when you will have lay people or half-baked people discuss such topics (such as myself) then you will end up with wrong conclusions.

Discretion is better than valor, especially in matters of faith.

Well If you think we cannot talk about the authenticity of hadith. then ok. but I believe (as u also believe)only Quran is the authentic which we cannot question about.

 

[DEFENCE]

Re: Of Aishas age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

But you are never going to accept the fact that your creed didnt even exist pre-karbala.

Anyway I do NOT want to make this a sectarian thread. So if you have nothing to good to say then dont. This is a matter of very delicate nature so if your sectarian mind is too feeble to get around it try some other threads.

Well the sunnis also did not exist in the time of Hazrat Muhammad(SAWW).

I am not making this thread sectarian, the thread is itself about some controversies. But the problem is your intolerance. You cannot listen to different point of view.

 

[AbdulRehman]

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