Of Hazrat Aishas (R.A) age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

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awan4ever

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IT is said that Hazrat Aisha was six years old when her nikah was performed with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Makkah, and nine years old when she moved in to live with her husband in Madina after Hijra.



This piece of misinformation has led to the wrong view that child marriage has the sanction of Islam. It must be noted that establishing the authenticity of hadiths, the narrators’ circumstances and the conditions at that time have to be correlated with historical facts. There is only one hadith by Hisham which suggests the age of Hazrat Aisha as being nine when she came to live with her husband.


Many authentic hadiths also show that Hisham’s narration is incongruous with several historical facts about the Prophet’s life, on which there is consensus. With reference to scholars such as Umar Ahmed Usmani, Hakim Niaz Ahmed and Habibur Rehman Kandhulvi, I would like to present some arguments in favour of the fact that Hazrat Aisha was at least 18 years old when her nikah was performed and at least 21 when she moved into the Prophet’s house to live with him.


According to Umar Ahmed Usmani, in Surah Al-Nisa, it is said that the guardian of the orphans should keep testing them, until they reach the age of marriage, before returning their property (4:6). From this scholars have concluded that the Quran sets a minimum age of marriage which is at least puberty. Since the approval of the girl has a legal standing, she cannot be a minor.


Hisham bin Urwah is the main narrator of this hadith. His life is divided into two periods: in 131A.H. the Madani period ended, and the Iraqi period started, when Hisham was 71 years old. Hafiz Zehbi has spoken about Hisham’s loss of memory in his later period. His students in Madina, Imam Malik and Imam Abu Hanifah, do not mention this hadith. Imam Malik and the people of Madina criticised him for his Iraqi hadiths.
All the narrators of this hadith are Iraqis who had heard it from Hisham. Allama Kandhulvi says that the words spoken in connection with Hazrat Aisha’s age were tissa ashara, meaning 19, when Hisham only heard (or remembered), tissa, meaning nine. Maulana Usmani thinks this change was purposely and maliciously made later.


Historian Ibn Ishaq in his Sirat Rasul Allah has given a list of the people who accepted Islam in the first year of the proclamation of Islam, in which Hazrat Aisha’s name is mentioned as Abu Bakr’s “little daughter Aisha”. If we accept Hisham’s calculations, she was not even born at that time.
Some time after the death of the Prophet’s first wife, Hazrat Khadija, Khawla suggested to the Prophet that he get married again, to a bikrun, referring to Hazrat Aisha (Musnad Ahmed). In Arabic bikrun is used for an unmarried girl who has crossed the age of puberty and is of marriageable age. The word cannot be used for a six-year-old girl.


Some scholars think that Hazrat Aisha was married off so early because in Arabia girls mature at an early age. But this was not a common custom of the Arabs at that time. According to Allama Kandhulvi, there is no such case on record either before or after Islam. Neither has this ever been promoted as a Sunnah of the Prophet. The Prophet married off his daughters Fatima at 21 and Ruquiyya at 23. Besides, Hazrat Abu Bakr, Aisha’s father, married off his eldest daughter Asma at the age of 26.


Hazrat Aisha narrates that she was present on the battlefield at the Battle of Badar (Muslim). This leads one to conclude that Hazrat Aisha moved into the Prophet’s house in 1 A.H. But a nine-year-old could not have been taken on a rough and risky military mission.


In 2 A.H, the Prophet refused to take boys of less than 15 years of age to the battle of Uhud. Would he have allowed a 10-year-old girl to accompany him? But Anas reported that he saw Aisha and Umme Sulaim carrying goatskins full of water and serving it to the soldiers (Bukhari). Umme Sulaim and Umme Ammara, the other women present at Uhud, were both strong, mature women whose duties were the lifting of the dead and injured, treating their wounds, carrying water in heavy goatskins, supplying ammunition and even taking up the sword.


Hazrat Aisha used the kunniat, the title derived from the name of a child, of Umme Abdullah after her nephew and adopted son.

If she was six when her nikah was performed, she would have been only eight years his senior, hardly making him eligible for adoption. Also, a little girl could not have given up on ever having her own child and used an adopted child’s name for her kunniat.


Hazrat Aisha’s nephew Urwah once remarked that he was not surprised about her amazing knowledge of Islamic law, poetry and history because she was the wife of the Prophet and the daughter of Abu Bakr. If she was eight when her father migrated, when did she learn poetry and history from him?


There is consensus that Hazrat Aisha was 10 years younger than her elder sister Asma, whose age at the time of the hijrah, or migration to Madina, was about 28. It can be concluded that Hazrat Aisha was about 18 years old at migration. On her moving to the Prophet’s house, she was a young woman at 21. Hisham is the single narrator of the hadith whose authenticity is challenged, for it does not correlate with the many historical facts of the time.


The writer is a scholar of the Quran and writes on contemporary issues.
[email protected]
 
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Jack Sparrow

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DEFENCE

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So sunnis are now going to accept the truth that some hadiths in their SAHIS are not sahi. Well done accept the truth.
 

TruPakistani

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Great work bro.

Those who truly believe never doubt it and can never think of doubting anything related to the Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم.
Those who are munafiq, they will keep creating such confusions amongst Muslims who don't have knowledge.
 

awan4ever

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Great work bro.

Those who truly believe never doubt it and can never think of doubting anything related to the Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم.
Those who are munafiq, they will keep creating such confusions amongst Muslims who don't have knowledge.


Doubts are legitimate because of the presence of contradictory hadith in the top hadith books. It is very necessary to help people understand that fallacies can still be present in these books as they are not work of God. It is also necessary to purge such contradictory information from the respected books so that some generations down the line this whole fallacy will die a natural death.
 

rahail

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Absolutely right! Hisham's narrated ahadith are generally not regarded authentic even though a sect in Islam loves to quote him oftenly.

And Americans being such pricks love to attack Islam from this side... They are our worst enemy.. through and through... I love to hate Americans everyday for their attitude towards Islam..
 

biofilm

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My personal thinking is that we must not open a pendoran box. If there is a possiblity of error in Ahadiths then what to believe. For me, it is ok to believe that in 7th century it was normal to marry a 6 year old and consumate when circumstances allowed. It is much more respectable to believe that in the course of human history we have changed our customs according to evolution in mental approach towards certain things. For example, it was perfectly normal to have slaves at the time of Muhammadpbuh even Quran permits to have sex with them. But today we have come to a stage of our history where we dont keep slaves. Should be also argue the authencity of this if that makes us look good. I know that Muslims feel bad when people raise the question of marriage of a 6 years old but one can easily argue that it was perfectly fine at that time and today many many muslims dont take child brides. some do which accroding to our current understanding they should not. So, in summary I think it is ok to see this thing in a cultural context rather finding fallacies in the Ahadiths.
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http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/17/of-aishas-age-at-marriage.html


IT is said that Hazrat Aisha was six years old when her nikah was performed with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Makkah, and nine years old when she moved in to live with her husband in Madina after Hijra.



This piece of misinformation has led to the wrong view that child marriage has the sanction of Islam. It must be noted that establishing the authenticity of hadiths, the narrators’ circumstances and the conditions at that time have to be correlated with historical facts. There is only one hadith by Hisham which suggests the age of Hazrat Aisha as being nine when she came to live with her husband.


Many authentic hadiths also show that Hisham’s narration is incongruous with several historical facts about the Prophet’s life, on which there is consensus. With reference to scholars such as Umar Ahmed Usmani, Hakim Niaz Ahmed and Habibur Rehman Kandhulvi, I would like to present some arguments in favour of the fact that Hazrat Aisha was at least 18 years old when her nikah was performed and at least 21 when she moved into the Prophet’s house to live with him.


According to Umar Ahmed Usmani, in Surah Al-Nisa, it is said that the guardian of the orphans should keep testing them, until they reach the age of marriage, before returning their property (4:6). From this scholars have concluded that the Quran sets a minimum age of marriage which is at least puberty. Since the approval of the girl has a legal standing, she cannot be a minor.


Hisham bin Urwah is the main narrator of this hadith. His life is divided into two periods: in 131A.H. the Madani period ended, and the Iraqi period started, when Hisham was 71 years old. Hafiz Zehbi has spoken about Hisham’s loss of memory in his later period. His students in Madina, Imam Malik and Imam Abu Hanifah, do not mention this hadith. Imam Malik and the people of Madina criticised him for his Iraqi hadiths.
All the narrators of this hadith are Iraqis who had heard it from Hisham. Allama Kandhulvi says that the words spoken in connection with Hazrat Aisha’s age were tissa ashara, meaning 19, when Hisham only heard (or remembered), tissa, meaning nine. Maulana Usmani thinks this change was purposely and maliciously made later.


Historian Ibn Ishaq in his Sirat Rasul Allah has given a list of the people who accepted Islam in the first year of the proclamation of Islam, in which Hazrat Aisha’s name is mentioned as Abu Bakr’s “little daughter Aisha”. If we accept Hisham’s calculations, she was not even born at that time.
Some time after the death of the Prophet’s first wife, Hazrat Khadija, Khawla suggested to the Prophet that he get married again, to a bikrun, referring to Hazrat Aisha (Musnad Ahmed). In Arabic bikrun is used for an unmarried girl who has crossed the age of puberty and is of marriageable age. The word cannot be used for a six-year-old girl.


Some scholars think that Hazrat Aisha was married off so early because in Arabia girls mature at an early age. But this was not a common custom of the Arabs at that time. According to Allama Kandhulvi, there is no such case on record either before or after Islam. Neither has this ever been promoted as a Sunnah of the Prophet. The Prophet married off his daughters Fatima at 21 and Ruquiyya at 23. Besides, Hazrat Abu Bakr, Aisha’s father, married off his eldest daughter Asma at the age of 26.


Hazrat Aisha narrates that she was present on the battlefield at the Battle of Badar (Muslim). This leads one to conclude that Hazrat Aisha moved into the Prophet’s house in 1 A.H. But a nine-year-old could not have been taken on a rough and risky military mission.


In 2 A.H, the Prophet refused to take boys of less than 15 years of age to the battle of Uhud. Would he have allowed a 10-year-old girl to accompany him? But Anas reported that he saw Aisha and Umme Sulaim carrying goatskins full of water and serving it to the soldiers (Bukhari). Umme Sulaim and Umme Ammara, the other women present at Uhud, were both strong, mature women whose duties were the lifting of the dead and injured, treating their wounds, carrying water in heavy goatskins, supplying ammunition and even taking up the sword.


Hazrat Aisha used the kunniat, the title derived from the name of a child, of Umme Abdullah after her nephew and adopted son.

If she was six when her nikah was performed, she would have been only eight years his senior, hardly making him eligible for adoption. Also, a little girl could not have given up on ever having her own child and used an adopted child’s name for her kunniat.


Hazrat Aisha’s nephew Urwah once remarked that he was not surprised about her amazing knowledge of Islamic law, poetry and history because she was the wife of the Prophet and the daughter of Abu Bakr. If she was eight when her father migrated, when did she learn poetry and history from him?


There is consensus that Hazrat Aisha was 10 years younger than her elder sister Asma, whose age at the time of the hijrah, or migration to Madina, was about 28. It can be concluded that Hazrat Aisha was about 18 years old at migration. On her moving to the Prophet’s house, she was a young woman at 21. Hisham is the single narrator of the hadith whose authenticity is challenged, for it does not correlate with the many historical facts of the time.


The writer is a scholar of the Quran and writes on contemporary issues.
[email protected]
 

IRPak

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oh God whats wrong with you people keeping your eyes close will not help getting rid of danger dont be a pigeon who think that is the best way to overcome the danger cause we all know that its not... Be a lion in your approach and stand your ground firm, and face the enemies of islam and be prepared to answer them if you want to be the one who saved the one and only authentic religion left in this world.. God bless you
It's wise not to enter in such debates!
 

Aleph

MPA (400+ posts)
DEFENCE: Very nice to see a closet shi'i trying to take stabs at the Sunni creed. The least you can do is be forthright and let your ugly face come out in the open? What do you care, in any event, what Sayyidah Ayesha (RA) age was? Do you want me to tell you what your creed has to say about her? Or should I save you the embarrassment?

This coming from a person whose most authentic book of ahadith Al-Kafi by Kulayni (which consists of more than 16,000 'ahadith') consists of more that 9,000+ fabircated ahadith according to Mullah Baquir Al-Majlisi (one of the biggest muhadditheen of the shi'ah). So Mullah Baquir knew more than the 12th 'hidden' imam who declared Kulayni's work as Hadha kafi li-shi'atina (This book is enough for our shi'ah)? It was your 12th Imam himself who named this book Al-Kafi. So the fallible Majlisi knows more than the infalliable 5-year old Imam Mahdi? Please don't get us Sunnis started...

As for the sihah sitta (the six canonical books of the Sunni) and Jami' Sahih al-Bukhari about Hazrat Ayesha (RA) age, then please note that when a hadith is mentioned as "sahih" it means the chain of narrators (the sanad) is sahih (rigorously authenticated). It doesn't mean that the actual text of the hadith (the matn) is fully guaranteed against inconsistencies. So the hadith of Bukhari relating the age of Hazrat Ayesha as 9 years old during consumption of marriage is sahih in terms of the chains of narrators (the argument of attacking Hisham bin Urwah's memory is not even an issue here). Since this hadith is ahaad (meaning, it is a lone narration not corroborated by other narratives on this topic) then the figure of 9 years can at best a close approximation. This why sahih ahadith are of 2 kinds: (1) sahih ahaad; (2) sahih mutawaatir.

It is only the sahih mutawaatir ahadith that are THE strongest and beyond a shadow of doubt because that hadith is reported by so many other independent chain of narrators that its text (matn) is assured against corruption. For example, the hadith of Rasulullah (SAW) that states, "Whoever tells a lie against me intentionally, then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire." This hadith has been reported by so many independent chain of narrators that its surity as certain as the verses of the Qur'an.

By the way, the verses of the Qur'an are also sahih mutawaatir. Meaning, all these verses were memorized word-for-word by the sahabah who taught it to their students, who taught it to theirs etc. That is how the textual integrity is maintained against corruption/interpolation.
 

Scorpion

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IT is said that Hazrat Aisha was six years old when her nikah was performed with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Makkah, and nine years old when she moved in to live with her husband in Madina after Hijra.



This piece of misinformation has led to the wrong view that child marriage has the sanction of Islam. It must be noted that establishing the authenticity of hadiths, the narrators’ circumstances and the conditions at that time have to be correlated with historical facts. There is only one hadith by Hisham which suggests the age of Hazrat Aisha as being nine when she came to live with her husband.


Many authentic hadiths also show that Hisham’s narration is incongruous with several historical facts about the Prophet’s life, on which there is consensus. With reference to scholars such as Umar Ahmed Usmani, Hakim Niaz Ahmed and Habibur Rehman Kandhulvi, I would like to present some arguments in favour of the fact that Hazrat Aisha was at least 18 years old when her nikah was performed and at least 21 when she moved into the Prophet’s house to live with him.


According to Umar Ahmed Usmani, in Surah Al-Nisa, it is said that the guardian of the orphans should keep testing them, until they reach the age of marriage, before returning their property (4:6). From this scholars have concluded that the Quran sets a minimum age of marriage which is at least puberty. Since the approval of the girl has a legal standing, she cannot be a minor.


Hisham bin Urwah is the main narrator of this hadith. His life is divided into two periods: in 131A.H. the Madani period ended, and the Iraqi period started, when Hisham was 71 years old. Hafiz Zehbi has spoken about Hisham’s loss of memory in his later period. His students in Madina, Imam Malik and Imam Abu Hanifah, do not mention this hadith. Imam Malik and the people of Madina criticised him for his Iraqi hadiths.
All the narrators of this hadith are Iraqis who had heard it from Hisham. Allama Kandhulvi says that the words spoken in connection with Hazrat Aisha’s age were tissa ashara, meaning 19, when Hisham only heard (or remembered), tissa, meaning nine. Maulana Usmani thinks this change was purposely and maliciously made later.


Historian Ibn Ishaq in his Sirat Rasul Allah has given a list of the people who accepted Islam in the first year of the proclamation of Islam, in which Hazrat Aisha’s name is mentioned as Abu Bakr’s “little daughter Aisha”. If we accept Hisham’s calculations, she was not even born at that time.
Some time after the death of the Prophet’s first wife, Hazrat Khadija, Khawla suggested to the Prophet that he get married again, to a bikrun, referring to Hazrat Aisha (Musnad Ahmed). In Arabic bikrun is used for an unmarried girl who has crossed the age of puberty and is of marriageable age. The word cannot be used for a six-year-old girl.


Some scholars think that Hazrat Aisha was married off so early because in Arabia girls mature at an early age. But this was not a common custom of the Arabs at that time. According to Allama Kandhulvi, there is no such case on record either before or after Islam. Neither has this ever been promoted as a Sunnah of the Prophet. The Prophet married off his daughters Fatima at 21 and Ruquiyya at 23. Besides, Hazrat Abu Bakr, Aisha’s father, married off his eldest daughter Asma at the age of 26.


Hazrat Aisha narrates that she was present on the battlefield at the Battle of Badar (Muslim). This leads one to conclude that Hazrat Aisha moved into the Prophet’s house in 1 A.H. But a nine-year-old could not have been taken on a rough and risky military mission.


In 2 A.H, the Prophet refused to take boys of less than 15 years of age to the battle of Uhud. Would he have allowed a 10-year-old girl to accompany him? But Anas reported that he saw Aisha and Umme Sulaim carrying goatskins full of water and serving it to the soldiers (Bukhari). Umme Sulaim and Umme Ammara, the other women present at Uhud, were both strong, mature women whose duties were the lifting of the dead and injured, treating their wounds, carrying water in heavy goatskins, supplying ammunition and even taking up the sword.


Hazrat Aisha used the kunniat, the title derived from the name of a child, of Umme Abdullah after her nephew and adopted son.

If she was six when her nikah was performed, she would have been only eight years his senior, hardly making him eligible for adoption. Also, a little girl could not have given up on ever having her own child and used an adopted child’s name for her kunniat.


Hazrat Aisha’s nephew Urwah once remarked that he was not surprised about her amazing knowledge of Islamic law, poetry and history because she was the wife of the Prophet and the daughter of Abu Bakr. If she was eight when her father migrated, when did she learn poetry and history from him?


There is consensus that Hazrat Aisha was 10 years younger than her elder sister Asma, whose age at the time of the hijrah, or migration to Madina, was about 28. It can be concluded that Hazrat Aisha was about 18 years old at migration. On her moving to the Prophet’s house, she was a young woman at 21. Hisham is the single narrator of the hadith whose authenticity is challenged, for it does not correlate with the many historical facts of the time.


The writer is a scholar of the Quran and writes on contemporary issues.
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Who is this so called writer Nilofar ahmed who call her self as Scholar of Quran . . . .

Now these Munafiqs in order to please the west will give the next argument that Hazarat Aisha (RA) had her ID card also made at eighteen nauzubillah . . . . Even today in the villages, the girls and even boys are not kept for so long to get married . . . . And you are saying at eighteen . . . .

It was the normal norm at that time and even today that the girls and boys in the villages and the deserts are married early . . . . and the reason is simple that in the natural environment, one reaches puberty very early . . . . and that is the order of Shariah that the moment a boy or girl reaches puberty . . . . Get them married . . . .

Therefore those who some how feel shameful of the sunnahs of Holy Prophet (SAW), my warning is simple . . . . Leave Islam and waste the time of Kuffars . . . . And any one who want to spread such lies, only to pleaese the West, He is a Munafiq . . . .

And surprisingly, the writer has not been able to present any historical proofs and instead have made stories giving logics that are even not applicable today . . . . To me, every action of Holy Prophet (SAW) is acceptable, weather Holy Prophet (SAW) married Hazart Aisha (RA) at the age of nine, eighteen or twenty one . . . . But the problem for the Munafiqs on this forum is that, if the actions of the Holy Prophet (SAW) are in agreement with their western views than its OK otherwise start critsizing the Hadees . . . . They don t know the basics of Arabic and than they dare to give explanation regarding the Quran and the Hadees . . . .

Its same like not knowing English, and than start critsizing Charles Dickens for writing absurd stories . . . .


And please be aware of these Jamiah e Azhar type, Husni Mubarak funded Scholars . . . .
 

Aleph

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Of Aishas age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

By the way, I forgot to mention, none of the ages of Sayyidah Ayesha found in the hadith works can be taken as the final word. There are ahadith that relate her age as 6, 9, 11, and 14 (I am not aware of any hadith mentioning 18). So no one can tell for certain her age at the time of her marriage to Sayyiduna Rasulullah (SAW). In any case, all these ahadith on the ages are not marfu' (meaning, these ahadith are NOT narrated as heard from Rasulullah SAW).

Similarly, there is a hadith in Bukhari about the date when Rasullullah (SAW) passed away on the 12th of Rabi' Al-Awwal, which is also not marfu'. Obviously, Rasulullah (SAW) could not have narrated his own date of death! And although this hadith is sahih, the muhadditheen have argued whether Rasulullah (SAW) passed away on the 12th Rabi' Al-Awwal at all or not. Since this sahih hadith is ahaad (a lone sahih narrative) the possibility of an error in its text can exist. So the ulama, such as Ibn Hajr Al-'Asqalani, argued that what we know for certain (mutawaatir) are:

1- that Rasulullah (SAW) passed away on a Monday;
2- and that his last address on the day of 'Arafah (9th Dhul Hijjah) was on a Friday.

So through calculation (permutations and combinations) 12th Rabi' Al-Awwal COULD NOT have fallen on a Monday (you can do it yourself if you wish). Ibn Hajr Al-Asqalani goes on to mention that 2nd Rabi' Al-Awwal does fall on a Monday and it could be that "2" was misprinted as "12" when Bukhari's Jami Al-Sahih was collected.

These are serious debates that involves a lot of reading and knowing the sciences. I have only tried to summarize (in the layest of terms) so that you all can understand this in a nutshell.
 

Truthlover

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Of Aishas age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

Why truthlover! This will reveal the truth to all, to people like me:(. Many people will get to Sirate Mustaqeem

Dear friend,
If you don't already know that to reach to truth isn't easy. You have to tread the path full of thornes, insults and wounds. There are certain truths that make us stronger the others make us disillusioned and even more that cut us asunder. Tell me what possible benefit is there to know that if Aisha was eight or eighteen at the time of her Nikah, or the age of her at the time of her consumation? The subject will provide the opponents an oppertunity to come and attack. I don't consider it wise to speak abourt something I have no first hand knowledge. When all use the same sources to prove their opposiing claims, the doors of disharmony open ajar.
Tell me honestly why it's important for any of us to discuss the controvertial matters? Would there be any wisdom in discussing the times existing just in the remote history?
We behave and function according to norms of any existing times, how can we accept or reject the practices of few thousand years back?
Any such discussion will flare up many, antagonize the feelings and give rise to unneccesary confrontations.
Without further elaborations I conclude my explanation, with a hope that you understand my point of view.
Not all kind of truth is good to know.
 

Aleph

MPA (400+ posts)
Oops, Errata in one of my posts:

I said, "So the hadith of Bukhari relating the age of Hazrat Ayesha as 9 years old during consumption of marriage"

That should read as CONSUMMATION.
 

Aleph

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Of Aishas age at marriage (Please spread this to answer critics)

Well said, Truthlover! The wisest thing I have read on this forum in the last 2 years that I have been following this forum.

I only decided to break my silence when I saw some jaw-dropping stuff that I could contribute to. I have to profess, Muslimah's video on ta'wiz was moved me into action. It's a pity that what I wrote to her in response could not be published because that thread was already closed.
 

Aleph

MPA (400+ posts)
DEFENCE:

Incorrect! The inconsistency in a narration is attributed to natural human error and not because a person was a "weak narrator". Even a thiqah (trustworthy) narrator can slip in one word in a lengthy hadith. To explain this with an example, imagine the following:

If there are 5 trustworthy people (persons A, B, C, D and E) and they all hear you say the following: Defence says, "I have green eyes, white skin and black hair" then the following could be what each narrates:

Person A: Defence says, "I have green eyes, white skin and black hair"
Person B: Defence says, "I have green eyes, black skin and white hair"
Person C: Defence says, "I have green eyes, black hair and white skin"
Person D: Defence says, "I have black eyes, white skin and black hair"
Person E: Defence says, "I have green eyes and white skin"

Clearly person A, C and E have narrated correctly. Although, person E has narrated 2/3rds of the content only whereas Person C has narrated the same thing, but in different tarteeb. However, all these 4 are corroborating each other and Person B and D can be identified as having slipped in narrating the color of your skin and eyes respectively.

Now imagine if Person D was the only one present to hear you narrate that. Then all we would have is Person D's version and since this would be a lone narrative from a trustworthy person, we would keep room for human error.

Even if person A was the only one, we would STILL leave room for error because no one else corroborates what he is saying.

Comprende?
 
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Aleph

MPA (400+ posts)
By the way, I edited my post several times because of some errors in what i wrote (human error :)). I have made all the corrections and the last version is now given above.

Apologies if you read the old posts and saw so many revisions!
 
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