National Anthem of Pakistan with Music قومی ترانہ is Haram : Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer

meetnavpk

Councller (250+ posts)
Aisee bewaja behaas main jab muslaman pehlay parahay hoay thaay tu tatareeoon nay in ka bumbaa baja diaya thaa, ab yeah kaam doobara hoo gaa.
 

shah5ap

Senator (1k+ posts)
AUR BHI GHAM HEN ZAMANAY MAY MUHABAT K SEWA.
Agar eek baat k 99 manfi aur 1 mosbat pehloo niklay tu wo 1 follow karo.
 

Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ya woh logh hain jo her daor main soyee k mankay main sai farishtey guzar rahe hotey hain ... Iesa (AS) ne kaha tha hum macher chantey rahtey hoo aur samochey onth nigal jatey ho ... poora mulk sood, be-hayai, jhoot, lalach, nashey aur tammah main dooba hua hai aur ya marasiyoon pay fatwe laga rahey hain ... islami nizam laoo tou sahi ... deen apney gher pay jin chennels pay atey hoo wahan nafiz tou karwaoo ... yahan tou kesi ko zaroori call karoo tou agey gaana baj raha hota tou kaal ko kya karain phone bhe bandh kara dain ...
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
it isn't SONG 'deV's' SONGSITS RUDDY DAMN NATIONAL ANTHEM
NATIONAL ANTHEM MN MUSIC 'KIS KO SEDUCE KRTA HE':P
 
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cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: National Anthem of Pakistan with Music قومی ترانہ is Haram :Wahabi Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer

You need to expand your knowledge before posting videos about Islam related scholars..There is no such thing as wahab. Ibtisam is from Ahlus hadith and they are part of Ahlus Sunnah Wal jammat. And if Music is Haram then our national anthem with music is too inshAllah
caLL THEM WAHABI,NAJDI,SALAFI,THEY ALL ARE SAME:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab
 

Zoaib

Minister (2k+ posts)
Well it's a scholarly opinion and he has a right to it, just like any other scholar does. There are differing views on music by different scholars, so to each his own. But I was happy to see Ibtisaam Elahi Sahab with IK and PTI leadership in the Multan Jalsa (before Lahore Jalsa), means he's not one of those who cannot rise above these differences for a national cause.

P.S. I agree the title should not contain labels such as "wahabi". A scholar is a scholar no matter which school of thought he believes in.
 
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Khallas

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Personally I don't like my national anthem with musics, its already so soul touching without music (bigsmile).
 

Unicorn

Banned
It is clearly written that music is not allowed and most of the scholars agree upon including Zakir Naik. I have no idea why this is an issue for debate.
 

Beatle

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: National Anthem of Pakistan with Music قومی ترانہ is Haram :Wahabi Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer

You need to expand your knowledge before posting videos about Islam related scholars..There is no such thing as wahab. Ibtisam is from Ahlus hadith and they are part of Ahlus Sunnah Wal jammat. And if Music is Haram then our national anthem with music is too inshAllah

In this context, photograph is declared haram too by these mullahs. But they happily accept currency with photos. They do not attend any Jalsa unless they make sure that cameramen are there to capture them in-action.
What a double standards!!!!!
 

Zindabad4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
if you see all the sudia kings and prince they all with french cut... and they don't follow the PROPHET (P.B.U.H) sunnat like to have bread but the kings for the islamic holiest place have their and represent the kingdom without breat.... these for moulvies can't say the single word against them... yah sab munafiq haiii
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: National Anthem of Pakistan with Music قومی ترانہ is Haram :Wahabi Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer

You need to expand your knowledge before posting videos about Islam related scholars..There is no such thing as wahab. Ibtisam is from Ahlus hadith and they are part of Ahlus Sunnah Wal jammat. And if Music is Haram then our national anthem with music is too inshAllah

koi shai bhi bizzaat haraam nahin hai balkeh agar koi shai haraam ki gaye hai to us ka koi na koi maqsad hai aur us ko halaato wajuhaat ki roshni main haraam kiya gaya hai.

isi tarah agar aik aadmi quran pad raha hai aur kisi ne music bajaana shuru kar diya to yeh baat quran ko sunane main diqat peda kar de gi aur sochne samajhne par bhi asar andaaz ho gi is liye aisa istemal sirf music ka hi nahi balkeh har shor sharaabe ka najaaiz hi ho ga.

lihaaza agar music main hurmat ki ilat payee jaye to haraam warna nahin.

rahee wahabi sunni ki behs to is ke liye sunni fitaawa ki kutab mojood hen jin main muhammad bin abdul wahab par bahot se fatwae lagaye ge. khud un ke bhai aur waalid ko bhi un se ikhtilaaf tha. baat sirf itni hai keh agar koi achhi baat karta hai to achhi hai aur agar buri kare to buri bas achhe aur bure ke liye pemaane ka ilm zaroori hai aur us pemaane ko istemaal karne ka bhi.


is video main agarche ibtesaam ilahi zaheer sb ne music haraam nahin kaha magar us ko ghalat samjha aur isi liye us ko drust karne ki taraf tawajo dilayee. is se yeh akhaz karn mushkil nahin ke woh kehna kia chahte hen magar kehne se guraiz kar rehe hen.
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is clearly written that music is not allowed and most of the scholars agree upon including Zakir Naik. I have no idea why this is an issue for debate.

dear imaam unicorn, since when you have converted to islam to issu fatwas with such certainty? :lol::lol:(clap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4PUw6stfw&feature=related

Dr. Sayyid Jafar Al-Qazwini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAaf1Unn-9o

dr tahir qadri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLUDRaWbas8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshbaZqjDm4&feature=fvwrel
 
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Unicorn

Banned
dear imaam unicorn, since when you have converted to islam to issu fatwas with such certainty? :lol::lol:(clap)

Am I incorrect when I said most of the scholars agree upon Including Zakir Naik?. This issue is posted in thread practically every month in some cases quite extensively and I have read very clear quotes on this. I did not issue a Fatwa but I think I am qualified to do so(bigsmile)
 

Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
First of all music is not haram in Islam at all,,,,,,,remember when girls of Madina sung some welocme songs with Daf to Welcome their Great Guest and our Great Prophet Muhammad pbuh. . in National Anthem or war songs music plays a very important role to motivate us for defendig our land. Moulvi dont know these things specially this one is alredy a famous lier..khatam,shadi , janaza, aur khutba jumma on loud speakers (earlier speakers were also haram by mullahs) is not only the purpose of a muslim.his life should impress others and attract non muslims towards islam.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Am I incorrect when I said most of the scholars agree upon Including Zakir Naik?. This issue is posted in thread practically every month in some cases quite extensively and I have read very clear quotes on this. I did not issue a Fatwa but I think I am qualified to do so(bigsmile)

majority of muslims in india and paksitan are brelavies and the 2nd are deobandies. brelavies do not forbid music and they use in in ajmer on khawaja ghareeb nawaaz tomb in qawaalies and naats.

deobandies allow it also but only under guidance of a shaikh. Shias too allow music but the only people utterly disallow it are leballed wabahies, salafies, ahle hadis. They are not many in numbers. music is soofi tradition as well and most of the muslims ar of soofi tradition eg both brelavi and deobandi follow tareeqat silsilas.

music and songs are all allowed by main stream but only for a set purpose as per circumstances and situations eg nothing is wrong if wife and husband sing to each other romantic songs.

every molvi quotes mirza asadullah ghalib and others.

anyhow you can carry on issuing fatwas but this is a two way traffic and a dangerous business so be careful.
 

Unicorn

Banned
majority of muslims in india and paksitan are brelavies and the 2nd are deobandies. brelavies do not forbid music and they use in in ajmer on khawaja ghareeb nawaaz tomb in qawaalies and naats.

deobandies allow it also but only under guidance of a shaikh. Shias too allow music but the only people utterly disallow it are leballed wabahies, salafies, ahle hadis. They are not many in numbers. music is soofi tradition as well and most of the muslims ar of soofi tradition eg both brelavi and deobandi follow tareeqat silsilas.

music and songs are all allowed by main stream but only for a set purpose as per circumstances and situations eg nothing is wrong if wife and husband sing to each other romantic songs.

every molvi quotes mirza asadullah ghalib and others.

anyhow you can carry on issuing fatwas but this is a two way traffic and a dangerous business so be careful.

I don't know about sects, sure you can say certain sect also drinks whiskey that does not changes the clear text regarding this several quotes.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I don't know about sects, sure you can say certain sect also drinks whiskey that does not changes the clear text regarding this several quotes.

dear Unicorn, we do not have sects based on ideology of drinking whiskey, this does not mean all muslim do not drink whiskey some do. Just because some people commit crimes in india does not mean india is based on ideology of people should commit crimes.

Just because certain texts exist are no proof that music is forbidden in islam. There are rules whereby laws are derived in islam and those rules do not allow acceptance of certain reports or their certain interpretations. I have explained them in my other posts.

islam is not at all about majority or minority but a guidance as to what is proper and beneficial for mankind.
 

sama.aamir1

Councller (250+ posts)
dar asal pakistani wo quam hai jo ghar beth kar deen banati hai.. yahan jo marzi munh utha kar jo marzi keh deta hai qaumi tarane ka Islam se kia taluq
 

janaan

Councller (250+ posts)
By the way what is music????? Hormonize nodes,,,,,,,,vocals..........rhythmical waves....first let us define music and then proceed with haraam and halaal
 

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