A.Ali.T
Minister (2k+ posts)
That means you don't stand for anything, you are willing to fall for anything. This shows your character.
My Opinion,anyone doubting to vote PTI is doubting about being pakistani.
That means you don't stand for anything, you are willing to fall for anything. This shows your character.
GraanG2
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hahaha...I support Imran khan for his stand on so many issues and if he joins Muna fiq league ,then there is no point of supporting him....If u think that part of my character is not good,you have the right to say so...I believe in freedom of speech and expression.So I respect ur views...Cheers.
A.Ali.T
Minister (2k+ posts)
You did not make yourself clear in your previous post, that's why I got you wrong. If you are saying that you will leave PTI if IK makes an alliance with PMLN, then I respect your decision.
GraanG2
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yeah thats what I meant to say...And thanks for understanding.
Muhammad Ikhlaq Siddiqui
Minister (2k+ posts)
IK is a good man but I must say.... Everybody has his right to vote anybody... nobody can say that if u vote him or him u r paki otherwise u r not !!!!!!
ashfaq_321
Citizen
Mr. Adnan, Would you like bringing to my attention what kind of state is Pakistan? (A democratic one, Islamic , Communist or a different one) And whatever the shitwhole this state is in today, who is responsible for this? If someone is trying to make a change and bring success, why are you people so arrogant abt it? Lets not talk about this, its a long discussion.
Just tell me one thing, which other Political party is better then PTI and why?
adnan_younus
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
APML as it promotes nationalism and has the vision of crushing religious intolerance in the society.... has a plan to change the text books ful of lies and hatred.. madresas reform to promote religion in its true spirit not some gali ke maulvi ka view and above all.. musharraf as a leader and his past performance...
what i dont like abt PTI is; it has a confused leader who knows what he opposes but has no idea what he proposes and how....
and im dead agaiinst imran saying stop operation against tribal warlords and he never hits on intolerance like he hits on US..
and abt what u asked....
Pakistan is a munafiq jamhooryat at present which even worse than any form of worst dictatorship.... just like a munafiq muslim is worse than a non muslim...
what i dont like abt PTI is; it has a confused leader who knows what he opposes but has no idea what he proposes and how....
and im dead agaiinst imran saying stop operation against tribal warlords and he never hits on intolerance like he hits on US..
and abt what u asked....
Pakistan is a munafiq jamhooryat at present which even worse than any form of worst dictatorship.... just like a munafiq muslim is worse than a non muslim...
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Raja Pakistani
Banned
Meray pyaray bhai, kash keh aap aik aisay pakistani hotay jis k kisi plot pet PML (N) k ghundoon nain kubza kia howa hay(Hasb-iHaal Programmme mein video clip k saath maojood hay), ya kash aap aisay Pakistani hotay jis k kisi piyaray ka (Khuda na khasta MQM ya ANP ya PPP k kisi ghunday k hathoon Karachi mein qatal ho jata tu phir mein poochta keh kon si party achi hay. Yar Tehreek-i-Insaaf nain tumhain ya tumharay aur hum sub k mulk ko konsa nuqsan diya hay jo hum issay vote dainain ko tayar nahi....................I think we should give this party a chance, if it brought any positive change then we will go for it otherwise we can vote for any other party whose governance would be comparatively better..what do you say brother???
ashfaq_321
Citizen
Adnan, you know what, I kind of like your way of expression now. And if we all can communicate in this manner, then we can understand each other instead of cursing and swearing.
Now I would like to react on your points.
Firstly the text books. I havent heard Imran or anyone else in leadership of PTI stating anything regarding adding hatred in text book. But in general if you are refering to text books (school books). I think they need a change now. My nephew is studing same books which I had at school. After studing in western world myself, I noticed that our school course is not upto the standards of a developed or even developing nations. We study about 10 differnt kinds of books till we turn 18 or 20. Cocurricular activities are promoted in privite schooling but in government schools, they are completly missing. So we definately need a change in schooling system.
As far as Musharraf is concerned, beleive me I respect that man. because in foreign countries people respected us alot more during his times compare to now. Also as a matter of fact, when I was back home last time, I have seen some very good infrastructure work done during time of Musharraf. But please dont tell me that Musharraf was promoting Islam in anysense. And if Musharraf is Patriot then why is he sitting abroad and not fighting for his rights like a man and true muslim in Pakistan?
Khan is not confused my friend, he is just not tricky and lier. He tries to be straigh forward.
Regarding tribal areas and US. I lived in US for a while and met people from differnt states. Beleive me, I had time of my life with those people. There are some very nice people in US and they have nothing agains Pakistan. Its just politics. But Khan is absolutly rite about US army leaving Pakistan etc. Even people in US want them to leave. As far as tribal areas are concerned, I have no idea which part of Pakistan are you from. But from my point of view, the ideas of Khan are not bad. Whatever kind of people they are. They are still Pakistani people. If you want to punish some warlord, you should punish him/her according to law. Not by killing innocent kids and women etc. We also have bomb blasts and target killing going on in Karachi, what would you suggest that government sould start throwing bombs with Planes and send army in parts of Karachi where these activities are taking place?
Now if someone is Munafiq or Muslim that we should leave upto Allah.
One question, as Musharaff doesnt seem to be joining next election. Who would you support after him? Because the people who actually were part of his party already left him and are currently acting as a part of current government.
Thanks.
adnan_younus
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
agree in principle; firstly musharraf isnt promoting islam.. his view for government is what quaid-e-azams views were... security and economic well being of the people and understanding the tolerance level of a society and adherng to it... religion is a personal thing whether some one wants to have a beard or not or a woman wants to wear hijab or not or some one wants to pray 5 times or not....... state is not responsible for this....
i beleive imran also supports these views but eitehr he doesnt say it openly or is scared of the intolerant people.... he condemned qadri but not as openly as musharraf did.... and when his dharnas have sipah-e-sahaba flags .. thats where i differ....
APML vision is to correct the image of intolerance in pakistan and deal with iron fist with people like that killer qadri and recently freed lashkar-e-jhangvi leader...
and Musharraf is taking part in next elections in alliance with PTI presumably .....
if it werent APML it wud have been imran khan for sure..... my first vote was for PTI in 1996 elections.. but after watching musharraf and imran talk.. my vote wil always be for musharraf
i beleive imran also supports these views but eitehr he doesnt say it openly or is scared of the intolerant people.... he condemned qadri but not as openly as musharraf did.... and when his dharnas have sipah-e-sahaba flags .. thats where i differ....
APML vision is to correct the image of intolerance in pakistan and deal with iron fist with people like that killer qadri and recently freed lashkar-e-jhangvi leader...
and Musharraf is taking part in next elections in alliance with PTI presumably .....
if it werent APML it wud have been imran khan for sure..... my first vote was for PTI in 1996 elections.. but after watching musharraf and imran talk.. my vote wil always be for musharraf
shaheer
Minister (2k+ posts)
[MENTION=16019]humdaan[/MENTION].aap jaisay logon ki waja se zardari,shareef,chaudharies,mulla,altaf abhi tak ayashi kr rahay hyn,aur mulk ko loot kr satya naas kr dya ha,lakin aaap hyn k abhi bhi in k sath stick(chimtay) huay hyn...koi single reason batao k pti ko vote nahe karna chahiye????aur ek single reason batao k ppp,nawaz league,cycle league ya mqm ko vote karna chahiye????if u r a true pakistani.
haan agar imran nahe jatata to us ko kia faraq paray ga?imran ne kon c loot mar karnay klye,daulat sametnay klye jeetna ha.lakin faraq paray ga to pakistani awam ko,mulk ko,hum kahan pohnch gae hyn andaza he nahe ha kisi ko.3years myn itna qarza le lya is govt ne jitna 1947 se 2008 tak lya tha..baqi mulk k halaat to khair har koi janta ha,bus woh he nahe manta jo kisi na kisi tarah loot mar k mazay le raha ha..
haan agar imran nahe jatata to us ko kia faraq paray ga?imran ne kon c loot mar karnay klye,daulat sametnay klye jeetna ha.lakin faraq paray ga to pakistani awam ko,mulk ko,hum kahan pohnch gae hyn andaza he nahe ha kisi ko.3years myn itna qarza le lya is govt ne jitna 1947 se 2008 tak lya tha..baqi mulk k halaat to khair har koi janta ha,bus woh he nahe manta jo kisi na kisi tarah loot mar k mazay le raha ha..
ashfaq_321
Citizen
Firstly, I dont live in Lahore. Secondly, Lahore is not propertly or Nawaz Sharif or any one else. Its Part of Pakistan. Thirdly, you are immature, stay out of positive discussion please.
ashfaq_321
Citizen
CHEERS... AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL Understand and realize the importance of PTI. Take care.
SaadKnight
Senator (1k+ posts)
atifsharif
MPA (400+ posts)
i answered to .. Mchaudhary .... idher bhi paste kar deta hoon par lain kiyoon poor topic hay .. :)
G zaroor .... Mchaudhary ... kal ko aap kagain ge ke jo insaan chaudhary nahi hay woh insaan hi nahi hay ..... ???? brother we all are pakistanies, we all love pakistan we always think work and sacrify for pakistan ..... har bande ki soch alag hay main jo dekhta hoon NS main woh aap nahi dekh sakte shaid aap b dekhte hoon lekin aap ka sochne ka andaz mere sochne ke andaz se mukhtalif ho sakta hay aur same 2 Ik .... ... aur yehi sooch hame divide karti hay different parties main .. different groups main ....
is liye kisi aik party ya kisi aik shakhsiat ki hamayat se kisi ki hubul watni ko joor dena not fair .... ager aap logoon ki yeh sooch hay to really very sorry you will have to change your thinking ...... karachi main halat kharab hain isi soch ki waja se .. koi kisi ko bardasht nahi karta ... aap yehi nafrat ke beej ager pakistan ke kisi aur hise main dalne ki kooshish karain ge to ham kabhi kamyab nahi hone dain ge ...
G zaroor .... Mchaudhary ... kal ko aap kagain ge ke jo insaan chaudhary nahi hay woh insaan hi nahi hay ..... ???? brother we all are pakistanies, we all love pakistan we always think work and sacrify for pakistan ..... har bande ki soch alag hay main jo dekhta hoon NS main woh aap nahi dekh sakte shaid aap b dekhte hoon lekin aap ka sochne ka andaz mere sochne ke andaz se mukhtalif ho sakta hay aur same 2 Ik .... ... aur yehi sooch hame divide karti hay different parties main .. different groups main ....
is liye kisi aik party ya kisi aik shakhsiat ki hamayat se kisi ki hubul watni ko joor dena not fair .... ager aap logoon ki yeh sooch hay to really very sorry you will have to change your thinking ...... karachi main halat kharab hain isi soch ki waja se .. koi kisi ko bardasht nahi karta ... aap yehi nafrat ke beej ager pakistan ke kisi aur hise main dalne ki kooshish karain ge to ham kabhi kamyab nahi hone dain ge ...
SaadKnight
Senator (1k+ posts)
ashfaq_321
Citizen
Atif, a simple question. If not PTI, which party should we vote for and why?:)
atifsharif
MPA (400+ posts)
brother .. i think .... in this situation vote for PTI means ... strong PPP ...... meri khawahish hay ke IK NS JI AUR dosri anti establishment parties mil ke election larain. is mulk ke halat tab hi behtar hoon ge jab is mulk ki establishment ke against awam faisla de gi .... waise main aap ko force nahi kar sakta na aap muje kar sakte hain ........ main ne apni raye di hay mumkin hay sab ikhtalaf karain lekin kisi positive daleel se ikhtalaf karain aur mera dar dil se nikal dain to i will vote for PTI 2 ... lekin be practicle ... no jock
ashfaq_321
Citizen
Dear Atif, thanks for your comment. I take this topic very seriously and dont like making jokes about it.
Understand one thing, At his moment there are alot of parties in government. Its very difficult to run a country if there is not a real majority in parliement. I like the idea of having opposition but I dont want NS or anyone else like him being in opposition.
Man, for one moment just take PTI out of picture, dont take me as a supporter of PTI. Tell me, which party is reliable? The leadership of all parties are currupt. They are living in palaces which people of our motherland are sleeping on roads. We are getting aid from western world while our leaders have **** load of money sitting in western countries. If our leaders bring all their money back to the country and they invest this in Pakistan, I can assure you this can solve problem of poverty. Once leaders will start investing in Pakistan, all non resident Pakistanis will also feel confident invest in Pakistan.
Almost all political leaders except PTI are not willing to invest in Pakistan. So, I dont see a reason why we (Pakistani people) should let them rule us.
If we even drop the topic of they stealing blood and money of Pakistan nation, still they got their chances. Not once but several times. Everytime they came into power, they have always done their best to ruin this country. PTI is one party, which has not harmed our country or people of this country. If you disagree with something I said please let me know.
