Militants thrive on drone attacks......

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The terrorists in Pakistan, and elsewhere, are fortunate in having unsolicited support from a cross-section of society on so many issue in more than one way. The issue on which they are indeed grateful for this support is the campaign against drone strikes. This campaign has been launched on the basis of self-defeating arguments. The first argument, also advanced by the official spokespersons is the legality of drone strikes. The opponents of drone strikes further argue that use of drones in countries like Pakistan violates the sovereignty of the country and that these strikes kill innocent civilians along with the terrorists. They also argue that these strikes breed terrorism and anti-Americanism in Pakistan. This campaign is generally rhetoric, without substance and based on poor logic. Those opposing drone strikes are media anchors, columnists in Urdu print media and politicians who are otherwise not pro-terrorists but who love to play to the galleries.

The very same opponents of drone strikes are rarely seen condemning the suicide bombings, target killing and massacre as a result of IEDs. They forget that the biggest threat to the state sovereignty are terrorists themselves who have killed security officials in numbers far exceeding those killed in drone strikes. They also forget that innocent civilians killed by terrorists are ten times more than those killed by drones.

It seems that the terrorists have won the first round of battle of perceptions. The opponents of drone strikes are indirect sympathizers of terrorists. These sympathizers are foot soldiers in the war against the state and the social order. The most the terrorists need today is a voice against drones as they can fight anything and anyone but they are helpless when they are killed by the drones. The drone strikes may have weakened the ranks of militants, but they apparently thrives on these attacks by exploiting human losses to pressure the society, and ever-ready politicians, to cry hoarse against drones.

According to Foreign Policy, U.S. drone strikes have killed between 1,800 and 3,100 people in Pakistan, along with hundreds more in drone attacks in Yemen and Somalia, as a result of the United States' efforts to combat al-Qaeda and its affiliates over a period of ten years. The rise in strikes since the beginning of the Obama administration, and the growing stridency of questions surrounding the legal, moral, and practical efficacy of the program, have led to a lively debate among the commentariat. This debate is indeed important, but it is also crucial to understand how the drone program has affected the jihadis, and how jihadis have deployed the issue of drones in their propaganda. This is a necessary part of gaining a wider understanding of whether the program is a worthwhile endeavor.

According to CNN Security Blog, the dire impact of CIA drone missile strikes against suspected terrorists in Pakistan certainly did not go unnoticed by Osama bin Laden, prompting the al Qaeda leader to repeatedly warn associates to take appropriate security measures, according to documents seized during the raid on the al Qaeda leader's Pakistan compound last year. In a May 2010 message to his chief of operations, bin Laden highlighted the importance of the exit from Waziristan of al Qaeda leaders, especially the ones that have media exposure. He offered advice to live in Kunar which is more fortified due to its rougher terrain and many mountains, rivers and trees, and it can accommodate hundreds of the operatives without being spotted by the enemy. Bin Laden explained in an April 2011 letter that people should live on the outskirts of cities so they will be less obvious and reduce the security dangers. He even warned his colleagues to get rid of the bag that money might be exchanged in because the bag might have a tracking chip.

This clearly shows that if al Qaeda leadership was afraid of anything, it was drones. These drones had primarily been used for surveillance purposes in Pakistan, but in 2004, the CIA upped the ante by firing the first missile from a drone at a terrorist target in Waziristan. Hundreds of attacks have been launched since then.

The other thing related to the fear of drones was the spy network in the tribal region on whose precise intelligence these drones operated. The fear of infiltrators has created an atmosphere of paranoia within the jihadi movement, and has led many of al-Qaeda's operatives in the Pakistani tribal areas to move to more urban areas like Karachi.

Statistics has shown that drone attacks are not counterproductive as the Americans are being made to believe. These attacks and the killing of top terrorist leaders have indeed crippled the command structure of al Qaeda. Frequent drone strikes in northwest Pakistan have also degraded al-Qaeda's ability to train individuals over long periods of time.

The terrorists have put up a brave face to drone attacks calling these strikes as cowardly. They have exploited these strikes to their advantage through brilliant propaganda and creation of misperceptions. In addition to highlighting civilian casualties and showing pictures of dead children, the al Qaeda sympathizers in the media have used critical analysis of the drone program from individuals in the West to gain sympathy for their plight. Some analysts believe there could be blowback from the drone program which might be encouraged to plan a revenge attack on the United States. Foreign Policy reports that after Faisal Shahzad's Times Square plot failed, he told investigators that one of his primary motivations had been the increased pace of drone strikes in the Pakistani tribal belt. Al-Qaeda leader Ilyas Kashmiri was also reportedly frustrated over the drone strikes in the tribal areas, leading him to plan an attack on the CEO of Lockheed Martin.

The loss of militants’ leadership has pushed them to establish counter-spy networks, as well as beef up their operational security. Al-Qaeda Central's ability to operate in Pakistan has been severely degraded. In spite of successful drone strikes, the militants still show the ability to plan attacks against the United States and still have influence in their local areas of operation. Defeating these groups with drones is unlikely, but the strikes have at the very least created a nuisance for the militants, as well as prevented more invasive military action that might have otherwise occurred. There are still lingering questions on whether or not the drones have played a significant role in radicalizing a new generation of fighters, but understanding how the drones are affecting and changing these groups can provide new perspective on a vexing challenge.

It is time that the impact of drone strikes is properly evaluated and if these strikes are indeed counter-productive, these should be abandoned. But if these strikes do kill the militants, a formidable enemy of the state of Pakistan, then the policy of hypocrisy should be abandoned and this fifth generation warrior of the 4GW should be effectively used.

The Passive Voices: How drone strikes help the terrorists….
 
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atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
ڈرون کی کمیابی کا تناسب کیا ہے؟
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ایک طالب یا القائدہ کا رکن مارنے کے لئے کتنے شہری مارنے پڑتے ہیں؟
 

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ڈرون دی شان اور عقیدت وچ پیش ہے میرا قصیدہ ۔
اوچیاں شاناں والا میرا دلبر ڈرون

میرا سوہنا ڈرون
کوئی دیکھے تیرے آون
تے طالبانی بٹیرے لک لک بیٹھے رون
جیڑے نہتے لوکاں نوں بساں وچوں لالا سن ماردے
کدی گلیاں محلیاں وچ بمب سن او پاڑھدے
تے سکول کڑیاں دےہر پاسے ٹوہن
جد دا توں آسمانی پھرداں اے سوہنا، او نا نظریں آون
شالا تیرا اوڈھن مبارک ہوئے۔
توں وچ آسمانی سلامت وسیں
تیرے ساڈے دشمن انہھے ہو ہو بوہن
جیہڑا کم توں پایا، سوہنیا
اوے تے نا کر سکے ٹینک تے گرنیڈ
ٹل تک زور لایا، ہتھل ہوکے بھہہ گئے پلٹون تے برگیڈ
کیڑیا مکوڑیا ونگر لبھ لبھ ماریں، توں ایسا کھیڈیا کھیڈ
سرحد دی کس پاسیوں اڈھیں، کسے نا پایا بھید
بدلوں اولہے اینج پھریں جیویں جنگل وچ ببر شیر
توں دکھیاریا دا رکھوالا، کر دے ظالماں دی دنیا گھپ ہنیر
 

Lawangeen

Minister (2k+ posts)
okay lets believe that whatever is written is right then what happened to sovereignty of Pakistan? and what about judiciary system? if they have to decide the faith of people without any interrogation then what is the difference between terrorist and U.S which I strongly believe that there is no difference...

When a normal person kill someone govt. put him/her in jail and then execute but when the same crime has been done by someone in uniform then the same govt. award him/her with medals... I don't think we can justify killing in any way...
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
[MENTION=6897]mehwish_ali[/MENTION]

Altaf Qasai never gave any statment about drone attacks....on Pakistan...

I think these drones shold be used in Karachi too.

What do u think...???

90 should be first target to finish killers in Karachi...

I hope Altaf party will support it....
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
الطاف حسین نے تو ڈرونز حملوں کی مخالفت ہی کی ہے تو مجھے علم نہیں کہ آپ کیوں پھر اعتراض کر رہے ہیں۔

آپ بتلائیں کہ ڈرون حملوں کا کیا حل ہونا چاہیے۔

آپ کو سب سے پہلے یہ بات ماننی چاہیے کہ غلطی ہماری اپنی ہے۔ اگر ہم اس خطے کو پاکستانی سرزمین کہیں، لیکن وہاں حکمرانی ہو قاتلوں کی اور دہشتگردوں کی، اور وہ ہماری سرزمین کو اپنے مقاصد کے لیے استعمال کریں تو پھر ہمیں کیا حق رہ جاتا ہے کہ اس سرزمین پر اپنا حق جتائیں؟

کیا آپ کو پتا ہے کہ پاکستان یہ مسئلہ عالمی عدالت میں اگر اٹھاتا ہے تو فورا وہ ہار جائے گا؟ اس خوف کے مارے مذہبی تنظیمیں بھی کبھی عالمی عدالت کا دروازہ کھٹکھٹانے کا مطالبہ نہیں کرتیں۔

عمران خان بھی دو چار مرتبہ احتجاج کرنے کے بعد ریلیاں ختم کر چکا ہے۔

مذہبی جماعتوں کو سمجھنے کی ضرورت ہے کہ اگر ان جہادیوں کو اپنا جہاد کرنا ہے تو وہ افغانستان جا کر جہاد کریں۔

لیکن نہیں، افغانستان سے تو وہ اپنی عورتوں بچوں اور شہریوں کو امریکی طیاروں کے رحم و کرم پر ٌیچھے چھوڑ کر خود فرار ہو گئے تھے۔ اب اگر یہ چاہتے ہیں کہ پاکستانی سرزمین سے اپنا جہاد جاری رکھیں تو پھر کس طرح آپ امریکا کو جواب دینے سے روک پائیں گے؟ امریکہ نے افغانستان میں تو انسانیت کے عالمی ضمیر کے دباؤ کے تحت انکی عورتوں بچوں اور شہریوں کو طیاروں کا نشانہ نہیں بنایا، مگر پاکستان میں وہ ضرور انکے ٹھکانوں پر حملے جاری رکھے گا اور اس میں ہمارے شہری بھی ان دونوں باطل قوتوں کی لڑائی میں شہید ہوتے رہیں گے۔

پریکٹیکل گراؤنڈ پر میں اسکا واحد حل یہ سمجھتی ہوں کہ پاک فوج کو آپریشن کر کے پاک سرزمین کو ان دہشتگردوں سے پاک کر کے پاکستانی قانون کی رٹ بحال کرنی چاہیے۔ جس دن ایسا ہو گیا اُس دن امریکا خود گھنٹے ٹیک دے گا اور وہ کسی بھی ڈرون حملے کا آخری دن ہو گا۔ اس دن پاکستان کی فضائیہ ان ڈرونز کو گرا دے گی۔

اسکے علاوہ اگر کوئی اور پریکٹیکل حل آپ کے پاس ہے تو بیان فرمائیے۔

اگر آپ امریکہ کی رسد کو کاٹنے کی بات کر رہے ہیں تو اسکے بعد ان دہشتگردوں سے امریکہ کی جنگ آپ کی براہ راست امریکہ سے جنگ بن جائے گی۔ میرے خیال میں عمران خان بھی یہ بے وقوفی نہیں کرنا چاہے گا۔

آپ ان دہشتگردوں کی طرح جنگ نہیں لڑ سکتے کیونکہ انکے کاندھوں پر کسی عوام کی فلاح و بہبود اور جان کی سلامتی کی کوئی ذمہ داری نہیں اور یہ فقط تباہ کار فورس ہے جسے عرب ممالک سے فنڈنگ آ رہی ہے۔ مگر امریکہ سے جنگ کی صورت میں ان اٹھارہ کڑوڑ لوگوں کے جان و مال کی ذمہ داری آپکی حکومت کی ذمہ داری ہو گی۔

کیا آپ سعودیہ پر بھروسہ کر سکتے ہیں کہ وہ امریکہ کی ہمارے خلاف جنگ میں ہمارا ساتھ دے گا؟ کیا آپ نے دیکھا نہیں کہ عراق کے خلاف جنگ میں سعودیہ کہاں کھڑا تھا ۔۔۔۔ بلکہ بذات خود افغانستان کے خلاف امریکہ کی جنگ میں سعودیہ کہاں کھڑا تھا؟




 

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
Its been documented through ground research that of Drone strikes which were investigated 74% of vicitms were civilians. Most of the instrances of media reporting have been found to be false when investigated.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/10907-cover-up-of-civilian-drone-deaths-revealed-by-new-evidence
The detailed data from the two unrelated sources covering a total 24 drone strikes from 2008 through 2011 show that civilian casualties accounted for 74 percent of the death toll, whereas the NAF tally for the same 24 strikes showed civilian casualties accounted for only 30 percent of the total.

Imagining hearing them buzzing all day ready to strike anytime. Can you imagine what sort of hate and paranoia and fear that will instill. Go to any Psych ward in KPK and you will find all these cases of PTSD from Tribal ppl. Does it really surprise anyone how the thousands of militants this policy is producing.

In Yemen the exact same thing a happened. Now Militancy is growing steadily after the drone programme.
This is reported extensively.http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/08/30/more-evidence-drones-in-yemen-stoke-anti-americanism/(See the links in the article to articles in NYT,Economist etc)

Same is true for Pakistna except our Army has enforced a complete block out of information. (Google Hayatuallah Wazir ) Journalist were killed ,bought or silenced. For the first two year Pakarmy offical took credit fro dorne stirkes including the one in Bajuar that killed 80 Madrassa Studuents.

Drone regularly target the tribal faction that are pro pakistan army. You have to be brain dead to not see what is the purpose.(Google any of Zalmay Khalilzad articles in NYT; i.e Pakistan has to be made to take owner ship of WOT)

Finally the main fighitng in Afghansitan and majority of NATO deaths are in Helmand,Khost and Kandahar. Those do no border the Tribal areas.
 

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