Khari Baat - 13th April 2011 - Imran Khan and Gen Rtd Hameed Gul

[usm100]

Offcourse no one should criticize army. They are the holy cow. Cause of them pakistan is at the verge of loosing two provinces. But still we should not criticize them.
About the present government. They came through a deal with army. So why do you even expect them to go against army.
And about Imran yes why he should criticize he should go and sit in there generals laps.

Why should Imran Khan criticize ISI and Pakistan Army. If Army and ISI is interfering in Government matters, Government should resign and bring the facts in front of the Nation.

Privileges saaray enjoy karrahahin hain, corruption karkay Note bhee dabaa kay chaap raahain hain but when it comes to taking the responsibility, answer comes army has done this, ISI has done that, this is how you run the country.

Political Govt should take responsibility and bring ISI and Army under their control other wise go home and give chance to others.

 

[Zameer Uddin]

@ Johny

ISI and army are answerable to Government they cannot move even an inch forward without the Government permission. Prime Minister and Chief Minister are the Chief Executives of the country and provinces respectively if any thing goes wrong Chief Executives are criticized not chowkidars my dear friend.

 

[usm100]

You are puppet to your master Imran. And Imran is puppet to his master the generals. Ahh what a shame. Go and sit in army generals lap. Mubarik ho tum ko and tumhara 2 number Imran ko.

The only help PTI wants from anyone is a FREE AND FAIR election under an independent judiciary, independent media and independent election commission. If this is made possible then we dont need anything else, PTI will sweep. If Army or ISI want to do something then they can stop rigging.

 

[usm100]

IN which part of pakistan does that really apply????
dont be naive to say all that crap you just said. Its the first time in history some one is chalenging the role of army in politics. So insha allah we will see these blood suckers wil pay for what they did

@ Johny

ISI and army are answerable to Government they cannot move even an inch forward without the Government permission. Prime Minister and Chief Minister are the Chief Executives of the country and provinces respectively if any thing goes wrong Chief Executives are criticized not chowkidars my dear friend.

 

[Zameer Uddin]

@ usm 100

If Sharifs, Zardaris and Gillanis can't control army and ISI its better they should go home.

 

[johny]

oh really........ if a government come as a result of compromise then they cant say any thing to them. IK is also compromisng now with ISI. and sadly in Pakistan chowkidars have ruled them directly for a long time. and when they make a lot of mess they hire puppets for their face savings. we thought IK would not do that. but sadly....................we have made our chowkidars so strong that now decide our fate. and one more thing no home can afford to pay chowkidars 80% of their income to chowkidars. but they get it. i dont know if u got it now.

@ Johny

ISI and army are answerable to Government they cannot move even an inch forward without the Government permission. Prime Minister and Chief Minister are the Chief Executives of the country and provinces respectively if any thing goes wrong Chief Executives are criticized not chowkidars my dear friend.

 

[usm100]

All the politicians should go home cause Army does not limit itself to the work they are supposee to do????
Why not Army should be given a lesson so they dont do crapy stuff?
What you think is happening in pakistan now? Its a change where people are talking for the first time against army in the parliament. I love this change and i wish more people can join the wind of change.

@ usm 100

If Sharifs, Zardaris and Gillanis can't control army and ISI its better they should go home.

 

[Just_one]

He said clearly that if proviincial and center governments are controlled by ISI and army, then these governments should resign!

Why are they taking benefits of government if they can't deliver?

If they resign and army takes over, then Imran will be the first person to raise his voice against them. But as long as political governments are there, they have to bear the brunt of responsibility.

ha ha ha,these all things are happening with collaboration of our great generals.imran khan with no hesitation blaming provincial and central government but did not moved his lips about isi and army generals,he know the truth that we all are hostage in hands of these generals,who bent down in front of all foreign forces and very brave in front of all of us.

 

[Just_one]

There would be change if "people" walk the walk rather than just "talkign in parliament". They should resign from governments.

If PMLn government is helpless against ISI, then this government should resign. If no, they are more responsible, as responsibility lies on the elected government.

All the politicians should go home cause Army does not limit itself to the work they are supposee to do????
Why not Army should be given a lesson so they dont do crapy stuff?
What you think is happening in pakistan now? Its a change where people are talking for the first time against army in the parliament. I love this change and i wish more people can join the wind of change.

 

[usm100]

PML N is responsible for ISI manipulating the politicians??? What kind of theory you are coming with?? Does it even makes sense?
The one who does wrong should keep sitting and keep doing the rubbish but the others should resign. Wow that sounds being in sane.

There would be change if "people" walk the walk rather than just "talkign in parliament". They should resign from governments.

If PMLn government is helpless against ISI, then this government should resign. If no, they are more responsible, as responsibility lies on the elected government.

 

[usm100]

Ahh masoom farishta Imran lol. He is matlabi.. mouka parast and a big lier. So have the guts to speak the truth. He kept lying and he will keep doing it.

He said clearly that if proviincial and center governments are controlled by ISI and army, then these governments should resign!

Why are they taking benefits of government if they can't deliver?

If they resign and army takes over, then Imran will be the first person to raise his voice against them. But as long as political governments are there, they have to bear the brunt of responsibility.

 

[johny]

you still dont understand his hypocaracy. yes he always say cleary. Like he said clearly for PMLQ, like he said for MQM, Like he said for Musharaf. and yes if provencial govet steps down then IK will stand with N against army.....Like IK did when army kicked out civilian govt, after got exposed on Kargil issue. Riet every one should belive IK specially after fresh contract of IK with ISI

He said clearly that if proviincial and center governments are controlled by ISI and army, then these governments should resign!

Why are they taking benefits of government if they can't deliver?

If they resign and army takes over, then Imran will be the first person to raise his voice against them. But as long as political governments are there, they have to bear the brunt of responsibility.

 

[usm100]

Imran is just being greedy for power. He want to do anything to get into power. No matter if its wrong or right. No matter if its using emotions or by telling lies. Everything seems to be ok with him now.
Sicko

you still dont understand his hypocaracy. yes he always say cleary. Like he said clearly for PMLQ, like he said for MQM, Like he said for Musharaf. and yes if provencial govet steps down then IK will stand with N against army.....Like IK did when army kicked out civilian govt, after got exposed on Kargil issue. Riet every one should belive IK specially after fresh contract of IK with ISI

 

[Just_one]

So po,politicians are children that they get manipulated?

If ISI is doing wrong, then whose responsibility is to stop them? In case of Raymond Devis issue, it was the responsibility of the Provincial governmetn and Center government. If they did not discharge their responsibility because of ISI, then they should resign as a protest and expose the real culprits. But if they keep taking the benefits of power and crying foul at the same time, it means nothing. The paramount responsibility lies on the elected politicians as long as their is a political government.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Leave the government if you can't perform your duties. It's not "punishment", PMLN and PPP don't desrve to rule if they can't discharge their duties. This would apply to anybody, even Imran Khan.

PML N is responsible for ISI manipulating the politicians??? What kind of theory you are coming with?? Does it even makes sense?
The one who does wrong should keep sitting and keep doing the rubbish but the others should resign. Wow that sounds being in sane.

 

[Just_one]

The liar are the PMLN goons and their incompetent leaders.

Ahh masoom farishta Imran lol. He is matlabi.. mouka parast and a big lier. So have the guts to speak the truth. He kept lying and he will keep doing it.

 

[Just_one]

There is no alliance of PTI with any of the parties you mentioned.

And yes, PMLN should resign if agencies are a hurdle to their duties as a government. This is their ETHICAL OBLIGATION. it doesn't matter what Imran does or doesn't.

And you know what, Imran opposed Musharraf for SEVEN YEARS of his rule. He criticized Musharraf and the army directly when they launched military operations in tribal areas. He criticized Musharraf and the army directly when tehy were allowing drone strikes. Army was in control then, so they were directly criticized. But now there are elected governments. PMLN and PPP are enjoying power. They have duties as well. With power comes responsibility. Now if they claim that there are hurdles in discharging their duties, then they shoudl resign and stop enjoying power.

Ask yourself - what is the purpose of a government? To serve people, to protect their rights. IF you can't do so, then you should resign, isn't it? Or is government just for enjoying protocols and luxurious lifestyle?

you still dont understand his hypocaracy. yes he always say cleary. Like he said clearly for PMLQ, like he said for MQM, Like he said for Musharaf. and yes if provencial govet steps down then IK will stand with N against army.....Like IK did when army kicked out civilian govt, after got exposed on Kargil issue. Riet every one should belive IK specially after fresh contract of IK with ISI

 

[johny]

ok I think you were not following all of my posts. my point is there was a hope in IK but with all his contacts with ISI and already obeying the orders. even if he gets the government he is distracted from the purpose and will be just a puppet PM controlled by army, like the present government.
he welcomed Musharaf government but went against him after musharaf refused to give him 100 seats. it seemed that now IK is against army rule.but with his recent contacts he proved us wrong.
the problem is that our army is very strong, they control every one. for example, R Davis case, Army controlled all the issue, it was a serious security issue so the security agencies ordered the governments to let them handle the issue. R Davis was released as expected by army. but both governments kept quite.yep our army is strong and every one is helpless against them. Every one including Judges, supreme court take actions against all critical misshandlings. and every one belive it was the major issue. but our judges are helpless, they cant just go to streets again. IK responded with a rally but was ordered to keep quite, so he never say any thing on their role in the issue against army or ISI. and never came out with a voice against R Davis again. Now he is planing to sit in pashawer against Drone attacks not R Davis. this is the similar stance as that of your army. so every one gov, oposition and judges are sadly contrlled by army. no way out.

There is no alliance of PTI with any of the parties you mentioned.

And yes, PMLN should resign if agencies are a hurdle to their duties as a government. This is their ETHICAL OBLIGATION. it doesn't matter what Imran does or doesn't.

And you know what, Imran opposed Musharraf for SEVEN YEARS of his rule. He criticized Musharraf and the army directly when they launched military operations in tribal areas. He criticized Musharraf and the army directly when tehy were allowing drone strikes. Army was in control then, so they were directly criticized. But now there are elected governments. PMLN and PPP are enjoying power. They have duties as well. With power comes responsibility. Now if they claim that there are hurdles in discharging their duties, then they shoudl resign and stop enjoying power.

Ask yourself - what is the purpose of a government? To serve people, to protect their rights. IF you can't do so, then you should resign, isn't it? Or is government just for enjoying protocols and luxurious lifestyle?

 

[Just_one]

You say everybody is controlled by the ISI, then these governments who are enjoying power are useless, and they should resign. They are simply eating up public funds for their security and other benefits.

Secondly, I doubt you ever saw Imran as a hope, considering you are paddling PMLN's propaganda.

There is no evidence that IK is getting dictates from ISI.

You speak about the lie Musharraf uttered as if it is a known fact? The 100 seats claim by Musharraf - do you believe Musharraf, who has lied on numerous occasions? Imran has denied this allegation and I believe Imran more than I believe Musharraf.

About drone strikes and Raymond Devis, the issue is not separable. You should listen to Imran's statements. From day one he has been saying that Raymond Devis is a tip on the iceberg. While Raymond Devis has killed Pakistanis in Lahore and that's why there was a lot of fuss, scores of Pakistanis are killed in drone strikes and no one talks about them since they live in remote parts of Pakistan.

The issue is that of sovereignty - it includes Raymond Devis and drone strikes. Listen to Imran's Monday's interview with Lucqman, where he said clearly that the dharna will be on issues of Raymond Devis and how many Raymonds are in Pakistan and drone strikes.

So Imran is playing no one's game.

And all the gloom about establishment and ISI that you are uttering, I blame it on propagandists of PMLN.

As I sincerely believe that a credible and competent leadership can put the army and the establishment in its rightful place without causing conflict. Army is form our own, many of our family members are in the army. They are not unlinked to Pakistan. Not everybody is a power thirsty monster in the army. If a credible leadership starts putting the country on the right track, the army, the establishment and the people of Pakistan all will be benefited.

Thus I sincerely believe that Imran is the only leader currently who can lead Pakistan into a positive direction, as I believe that the main issue with Pakistan is incompetent politicians who blame establishment, not the establishment itself. A credible government will reign in all institutions.

However, If Imran doesn't deliver, I will talk about him in the same manner I criticize Nawas and Zardari now. It's better to try an untested person with a much better reputation than those tested corrupts.

But I believe he will deliver and that belief is not without reason.

ok I think you were not following all of my posts. my point is there was a hope in IK but with all his contacts with ISI and already obeying the orders. even if he gets the government he is distracted from the purpose and will be just a puppet PM controlled by army, like the present government.
he welcomed Musharaf government but went against him after musharaf refused to give him 100 seats. it seemed that now IK is against army rule.but with his recent contacts he proved us wrong.
the problem is that our army is very strong, they control every one. for example, R Davis case, Army controlled all the issue, it was a serious security issue so the security agencies ordered the governments to let them handle the issue. R Davis was released as expected by army. but both governments kept quite.yep our army is strong and every one is helpless against them. Every one including Judges, supreme court take actions against all critical misshandlings. and every one belive it was the major issue. but our judges are helpless, they cant just go to streets again. IK responded with a rally but was ordered to keep quite, so he never say any thing on their role in the issue against army or ISI. and never came out with a voice against R Davis again. Now he is planing to sit in pashawer against Drone attacks not R Davis. this is the similar stance as that of your army. so every one gov, oposition and judges are sadly contrlled by army. no way out.

 

[usm100]

Ethicaly Imran should also stop doing politics cause he has not been able to form a party in 15 years.
Ethicaly Imran should stop lying to the people and tell them he obeys his masters from ISI.
Ethicaly Imran should now show the greed for power. the lies and using peoples emotions for his own good.
Ethicaly a person living in 300 kanal house doess not have a right to even speak of poor.

There is no alliance of PTI with any of the parties you mentioned.

And yes, PMLN should resign if agencies are a hurdle to their duties as a government. This is their ETHICAL OBLIGATION. it doesn't matter what Imran does or doesn't.

And you know what, Imran opposed Musharraf for SEVEN YEARS of his rule. He criticized Musharraf and the army directly when they launched military operations in tribal areas. He criticized Musharraf and the army directly when tehy were allowing drone strikes. Army was in control then, so they were directly criticized. But now there are elected governments. PMLN and PPP are enjoying power. They have duties as well. With power comes responsibility. Now if they claim that there are hurdles in discharging their duties, then they shoudl resign and stop enjoying power.

Ask yourself - what is the purpose of a government? To serve people, to protect their rights. IF you can't do so, then you should resign, isn't it? Or is government just for enjoying protocols and luxurious lifestyle?

 

[usm100]

What credibility does this guy has. Just the lies he come up with. If he has the guts why he still have not denied meeting ISI general??
You are part of arslan team, Good luck to you and your new masters. the generals

You say everybody is controlled by the ISI, then these governments who are enjoying power are useless, and they should resign. They are simply eating up public funds for their security and other benefits.

Secondly, I doubt you ever saw Imran as a hope, considering you are paddling PMLN's propaganda.

There is no evidence that IK is getting dictates from ISI.

You speak about the lie Musharraf uttered as if it is a known fact? The 100 seats claim by Musharraf - do you believe Musharraf, who has lied on numerous occasions? Imran has denied this allegation and I believe Imran more than I believe Musharraf.

About drone strikes and Raymond Devis, the issue is not separable. You should listen to Imran's statements. From day one he has been saying that Raymond Devis is a tip on the iceberg. While Raymond Devis has killed Pakistanis in Lahore and that's why there was a lot of fuss, scores of Pakistanis are killed in drone strikes and no one talks about them since they live in remote parts of Pakistan.

The issue is that of sovereignty - it includes Raymond Devis and drone strikes. Listen to Imran's Monday's interview with Lucqman, where he said clearly that the dharna will be on issues of Raymond Devis and how many Raymonds are in Pakistan and drone strikes.

So Imran is playing no one's game.

And all the gloom about establishment and ISI that you are uttering, I blame it on propagandists of PMLN.

As I sincerely believe that a credible and competent leadership can put the army and the establishment in its rightful place without causing conflict. Army is form our own, many of our family members are in the army. They are not unlinked to Pakistan. Not everybody is a power thirsty monster in the army. If a credible leadership starts putting the country on the right track, the army, the establishment and the people of Pakistan all will be benefited.

Thus I sincerely believe that Imran is the only leader currently who can lead Pakistan into a positive direction, as I believe that the main issue with Pakistan is incompetent politicians who blame establishment, not the establishment itself. A credible government will reign in all institutions.

However, If Imran doesn't deliver, I will talk about him in the same manner I criticize Nawas and Zardari now. It's better to try an untested person with a much better reputation than those tested corrupts.

But I believe he will deliver and that belief is not without reason.