Kehnay Mein Kia Harj Hai 23rd November 2010 - Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman, Dr. Javed Ahmed, Ejaz-ul-Haq

[Kehnay Mein Kia Harj Hai]

Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman, Dr. Javed Ahmed, Ejaz-ul-Haq President PML-Z and Babar Sattar Advocate in ...

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[skhasan]

A very good doscussion. We need to consider the issue in the true spirit of ISLAM instead of taking the lives of people who r maliciously chargedto take their personal revenge. Why we ignore the prevailing rampant corrution in our society which is Topped by POLICE and lower Courts.

Hasan

 

[habib22]

every where in the world the judges some time make wrong decisions but gove never change the Law, these Liberl extremist only following the POP Benedict who is himself is Controversial,

 

[skhasan]

It is not the question of one or two wrong judgement. This law is being used as a tool to settle personal enimity by the crooks. The least thing
which should be done is to remove the lacuna and the same punishment to a person who lodges false complaint. Pope or no Pope as a responsible society
we should consider this issue rationaly,

 

[Abdul Allah]

It is not the question of one or two wrong judgement. This law is being used as a tool to settle personal enimity by the crooks. The least thing
which should be done is to remove the lacuna and the same punishment to a person who lodges false complaint. Pope or no Pope as a responsible society
we should consider this issue rationaly,

Misuse of the law should be stopped
or
Law should be canceled?
Think rationally and logically on that

 

[pak143]

Misuse of the law should be stopped
or
Law should be canceled?
Think rationally and logically on that

A strong logic Which can't be denied but at same time dont Forget that whenever there is a case pending in court, some extremist elements target and kill alleged person without waiting the verdict of th court and they are far away from rational thinking and they even pressurize lawyers and judges so dear friend in our country we have got two extremes, liberals and Taliban like thinkers which is very unfortunate.. By the way we should think that why there was no blasphemy case reported before this law???

 

[Abdul Allah]

A strong logic Which can't be denied but at same time dont Forget that whenever there is a case pending in court, some extremist elements target and kill alleged person without waiting the verdict of th court and they are far away from rational thinking and they even pressurize lawyers and judges so dear friend in our country we have got two extremes, liberals and Taliban like thinkers which is very unfortunate.. By the way we should think that why there was no blasphemy case reported before this law???

Question remains there
Ok let me try to explain with example.

What is the punishment of treason as per Law?. death right na?
now if mob kill that person while the case in court
Will you said the Law is wrong?

and you said
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By the way we should think that why there was no blasphemy case reported before this law?
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Well if you read yourself what you write then I may not need to answer but any way.

let me try to explain again with example.
Let say to day Govt pass a Law that Smoking in public places is a crime(I remember it was done for some time) then before that law how you can expect someone to report Smoking in public?

 

[Kafanposh]

 

[Username]

Mufti Muneeb sab jab argue na sakay logically Ghamdi sab k saath to ilzaam tarashi per utar aye.

 

[skhasan]

Does any Mufti/Maulana or .....????do care about the TAUHEEN e INSAANYAT in Pakistan ... Is it not to be adressed.

Hasan

 

[samy99]

Tkanks mr.malak good discussion.First of all i say that Mr.Salman taseer saved one life, god bless him,hopefully Mr.Zardari will pardon that Aasia bibi.Mr.Munib was just doing aain bain shain when Mr.ghamdi gave his version about this incident.Does this nation want to create another Dr.Afia like incident in Pakistan and pakistan become the target of the whole world.I dont understand why this racist,discriminatory and draconian law is not repealed where so many innocent lives have suffered so much because of this blasphemy law.No one in the country is benefitting from this law except those religious fanatics who have no knowledge of islam.I fully agree with mr.ghamdi and khalid zaheer.Police will write FIR right away on this kind of incident because police is scared from these fanatics otherwise person goes to police and they dont write the FIR any other case.

 

[Abdul Allah]

.I dont understand why this racist,discriminatory and draconian law is not repealed where so many innocent lives have suffered so much because of this blasphemy law

Please For God sake.
Misuse should be stopped correct.
If Asia bibi is innocent should be released etc..
But saying that So many innocent have suffered so repeal the law. is it logical?
There are other laws that are being used as a weapon against others. like false allegation of theft(common in villages) false allegation of murder etc.. using Your logic Samy every law should be repealed

 

[pak143]

Ghamidi sb is a great asset of Pakistan, he is bringing young generation closer to islam with his logical and academic discussion (and other mullas are pushing them away from Islam through iillogical attitude) but alas these junooni elements have forced Mr. Ghamidi to leave Pakistan after giving him serious life threats..NISAR MAIN TERI GALION PE AE WATAN KE JAHAN.. CHALI HAI RASM KE KOI NA SAR UTHA KAR CHALE.. Ghamidi Sb we love u and we r with u!!!

 

[samy99]

abdul allah, i agree with you, any wrongful allegation is cruelty against humanity.Dont get mixed up with other laws,this law is not islamic and mostly used in the past as a personel grudge,it has been proved. I got your point br but lets have some human feelings and compassion.This law was not only used against the minoritites but also against muslims too.Theft and murder cases are totally different cases.No need to to over react about this racist law,even ejaz ul haq said it need amendment.you said misuse should be stopped but then who will stop it?

 

[Abdul Allah]

abdul allah, i agree with you, any wrongful allegation is cruelty against humanity.Dont get mixed up with other laws,this law is not islamic and mostly used in the past as a personel grudge,it has been proved. I got your point br but lets have some human feelings and compassion.This law was not only used against the minoritites but also against muslims too.Theft and murder cases are totally different cases.No need to to over react about this racist law,even ejaz ul haq said it need amendment.you said misuse should be stopped but then who will stop it?

Samy.
Amendment is not repealing the law itself. yes they should make amendments so that it can not be used as a weapon to settle personal scores etc...
But how you said it is not Islamic?
Quran/Hadith are two basic sources of Islamic Laws.
I have posted Two Ahadith.
One is
Sahi Muslim
It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like)....... (Book #019, Hadith #4436)

and other is

Sahi Abud Dawood
(1) Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. (Book #38, Hadith #4348)

If you think with care
Then no it is not Inhuman law.

 

[samy99]

Abdullah,Mr.ghamdi and Mr.zaheer khalid who are scholars and openly said just couple of days ago that blasphemy law is not islamic,there is no hadith or Quran says anything about it ,you must see ghamdi's views also today on nasim zehra's programme.This law is misused and abused mostly on personel grudge thats why i am so against it.How can a muslim say anything against our prophet unless he is out of his mind but muslims are also targeted.I have the same respect for our prophet as you do but please dont take it wrong.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Abdullah,Mr.ghamdi and Mr.zaheer khalid who are scholars and openly said just couple of days ago that blasphemy law is not islamic,there is no hadith or Quran says anything about it ,you must see ghamdi's views also today on nasim zehra's programme.This law is misused and abused mostly on personel grudge thats why i am so against it.How can a muslim say anything against our prophet unless he is out of his mind but muslims are also targeted.I have the same respect for our prophet as you do but please dont take it wrong.

Mr. Ghamdi and Mr. Zaheer ..........
I do not want to go in detail that how wrong Mr. Gahmadi is in his style of research on many many points. will need a long discussion.

1) I have posted 3,4 Hadith already that DIRECTLY address this issue as above and still you believe Quran/Hadith did not say anything about this.
2) will you please tell me if some one abuse our prophet SW did it not produce Fasad-fil-Araz?

Yes the law should be AMEND so that no one use it as a tool for personal use. and I believe if in past had they punished those who falsely accuse someone then we might not even be discussing this.