Kal Tak - 22nd Nov 2010 - Shahbaz Bhatti, Tahira Abdullah, Dr. Attiq ur Rehman - **Blasphemy Law**

[Bret Hawk]

بسم اللہ الرحمن الرحیم
السلام و علیکم

This is so unfortunate that Ulma of this country behaves like worst creature like Dr. Israr quoted the Hadeeth that Hadeeth is fullfilled and Peer Muhammad Afzal Qadri is one of this example. How he quoted the Verse of Quran.

Let me show you all what are those verses

Since when the gross blasphemers and rejecters of the finality & absoluteness of the Prophet of Islam pbuh have become the hypocritical voices for the Namoos e Risalat act in Pakistan? Do Munafiq Qadiyanis, like you, really have any thing to do with the domain of Islam? Sorry sir youre not welcome to even discuss on the issues and laws of Muslims, period. And by the way what would be your reaction if I start to abuse your mentally retarded self professed lunatic Prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyan? Would I be able to get the pardon from the clergy of your cult as well as per the notions of mercy and kind heartedness as you are falsely relating it to the subject matter of the abusers of a real gigantic Apostle of Islam pbuh? Waiting for your kind reply anxiously!

 

[Abdul Allah]

redaxe
and
Yes you are right that "Toheen" should be defined clearly.

 

[atensari]

redaxe:

Finally you got the opportunity to promote Qadiyaniat a man made philosophy. As usual proving yourself a true follower of a Liar you are habitually presenting one side picture in wrong context.

Have you heard the other Hadeeth which says Ulamas of My (SAW) nation are like Prophets of Bani-Israel. For your convenience both are posted already.

Dont forget Ghulam Ahmad was also an Alim until he touched by Sattan and made a wrong claim. He is on the top of the list of Worst Creature under the sky followed by Fake Khulafas of Jamat Ahmadia and Ahmadi Kazaabeen.

 

[redaxe]

As i said no personal opinion please but any way
You said those who hurt Rasool Allah also used bad language etc...
well i have said that.
if someone abuse you. you might not re-act but when someone abuse your mother/father then....?

and if you read post by (I think) "sach bolo" he/she qoute Hadith from Abu daood that answer your question(I hope)

السلام و علکیم


If some one abuse my Father or Mother I ll surely react but How? I ll do a social bycott with him, I ll not kill nor hurt anybody against it and same is the case when Some one Abuse our Beloved holy prophet(pbuh).

Actually we muslim become emotional and definitely love of Prophet(pbuh) is our religious duty But remember we have to obey God's words over our emotional feelings.

Tell me if Quran says "Do not Kill anybody unless he killed someone or created anarchy in society"(Surah Maida 33/32) Then should I Reject the saying of Quran over that Hadeeth as we all know that Quran is word of Allah and we are also sure that Allah almighty himself taken responsibility of Safety of Quran. But Ahadeeth may be fabricated and there are chances of errors and omission as they were collected at least 200 years after Prophet(pbuh).

Secondly, I already said that I am not against 295 or 295A every religion's spiritual leaders has to be given respect, even if you don't believe him to be a Prophet or a Saint.

جزاکم اللہ
والسلام

 

[Abdul Allah]

السلام و علکیم


If some one abuse my Father or Mother I ll surely react but How? I ll do a social bycott with him, I ll not kill nor hurt anybody against it and same is the case when Some one Abuse our Beloved holy prophet(pbuh).

Actually we muslim become emotional and definitely love of Prophet(pbuh) is our religious duty But remember we have to obey God's words over our emotional feelings.

Tell me if Quran says "Do not Kill anybody unless he killed someone or created anarchy in society"(Surah Maida 33/32) Then should I Reject the saying of Quran over that Hadeeth as we all know that Quran is word of Allah and we are also sure that Allah almighty himself taken responsibility of Safety of Quran. But Ahadeeth may be fabricated and there are chances of errors and omission as they were collected at least 200 years after Prophet(pbuh).

Secondly, I already said that I am not against 295 or 295A every religion's spiritual leaders has to be given respect, even if you don't believe him to be a Prophet or a Saint.

جزاکم اللہ
والسلام

and will you please define "creating anarchy/mischief in the society". I hope by this you will get your answer.

and
"Ahadeeth may be fabricated" Yes but proving a hadiht as Fabricated is solid science behind it. so to say Hadith is fabricated one need a solid argument.

and a personal question
are you Qadiyani as someone said above?

 

[such bolo]

"Do not Kill anybody unless he killed someone or created anarchy in society"(Surah Maida 33/32)

Mocking Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasalam) or any other prophet is not creating anarchy in society????

and how someone is giong to be socially boyotted??? it means you are allowing people to say what ever they want against our beloved prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) or other prophets and you just need to socially boycott that person... maashaAllah...this is how Pervaiziat is rediculous.

 

[Abdul Allah]

السلام و علکیم


If some one abuse my Father or Mother I ll surely react but How? I ll do a social bycott with him, I ll not kill nor hurt anybody against it and same is the case when Some one Abuse our Beloved holy prophet(pbuh).

Actually we muslim become emotional and definitely love of Prophet(pbuh) is our religious duty But remember we have to obey God's words over our emotional feelings.

Tell me if Quran says "Do not Kill anybody unless he killed someone or created anarchy in society"(Surah Maida 33/32) Then should I Reject the saying of Quran over that Hadeeth as we all know that Quran is word of Allah and we are also sure that Allah almighty himself taken responsibility of Safety of Quran. But Ahadeeth may be fabricated and there are chances of errors and omission as they were collected at least 200 years after Prophet(pbuh).

Secondly, I already said that I am not against 295 or 295A every religion's spiritual leaders has to be given respect, even if you don't believe him to be a Prophet or a Saint.

جزاکم اللہ
والسلام

and one more thing you said if someone abuse your parents you will not kill him. Well surely you wont and that is right. but you will react but you may not even react if someone abuse you.

and you must be aware of words of Abu Bakar RA that a person was abusing him infront of him someone said should i kill him Abu Bakar RA said no it can not be done for any one other than Rahool Allah SW.

 

[redaxe]

and one more thing you said if someone abuse your parents you will not kill him. Well surely you wont and that is right. but you will react but you may not even react if someone abuse you.

and you must be aware of words of Abu Bakar RA that a person was abusing him infront of him someone said should i kill him Abu Bakar RA said no it can not be done for any one other than Rahool Allah SW.

اسلام و علکیم

Since Start I am trying to bring you all toward Quran The Word of Allah Almighty all almost all of you ignoring it over the "Saying of Past Saint" Which may be fabricated.

I may agree with you all if you say that you Reject verses of Quran over such saying you hear i don't know from which source.

جزاکم اللہ
والسلام

 

[salaam]

scrap these blasphemy laws.

 

[such bolo]

1) you are not against 295 and 295A because these were introduced by Whites and you are against ahadeeth because they are sayings and actions of our Prophet (salall laahu alaihi wasallam) and were collected by one of the best people of their time....

2) FYI Ahadeeth are also the reveleation, no hadeeth can be against Quran (it might be your intellectual defeciency if you can not understand quran or hadeeth). Can Rasolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) say anything against Quran??? Infact he had the responsibility to read quran and teach quran....Where are the teachings of Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)? These teachings are preserved through Hadeeth...

Al Quran

Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. (2) Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.(3)

(Sorrah Najam)


He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book (this Qur'n, Islmic laws and Islmic jurisprudence) and Al-Hikmah (As-Sunnah: legal ways, orders, acts of worship, of Prophet Muhammad SAW). And verily, they had been before in mainfest error; (2)

(Sorah e Jumma)

His (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) teachings were well preserved (by heart and in writing) by Sahaba and then were transfered onward, it is the false propaganda that preservation started after 200 years of Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). It is proved that Kholfa e Rashdeen run their goverment according to Quran and teachings of Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).

3) Mr. redex Hadeeth e Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is not something new for this Ummah...people used to follow Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) 1400 year back till now... but the philosphy you have brought by not accepting Hadeeth and relying just on Quran is really new for the Ummah. No scholar has ever declared that only Quran is enough and we dont need to follow the sayings and actions and silent agreements (Hadeeth) of Peophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)...

I am sure whatever you are saying is based on broken knowledge given to you by some Fitnaperver, who are very active now a days.

I would advice you to please contact Real Ulema/scholars those claim to be follower of Quran and Sunnah and are not blind followers.

[FONT=PDMS_IslamicFont]البتہ تمہارے لیے رسول الله میں اچھا نمونہ ہے جو الله اور قیامت کی امید رکھتا ہے اور الله کو بہت یاد کرتا ہے[/FONT]
(Sorrah e Ahzab)

You must try to get the knowledge with intention to follow the Quran and Sunnah inshaAllah your heart will be opened by Allah Subhanauta'alah.

wassalam.

 

[Abdul Allah]

اسلام و علکیم

Since Start I am trying to bring you all toward Quran The Word of Allah Almighty all almost all of you ignoring it over the "Saying of Past Saint" Which may be fabricated.

I may agree with you all if you say that you Reject verses of Quran over such saying you hear i don't know from which source.

جزاکم اللہ
والسلام

Oh Come on.
1) Hadith are not SAYING OF PAST SAINTS.

2) Will you please tell me can you practice Islam without Hadith?

3) i have asked you a question according to the Ayath you present. that "creating mischief in the land" explain it . and tell me how you remove the matter under discussion from this?

4) I have asked you a question you did not ans

5) No one is ignoring Quran. "creating mischief in the land" think on it and you will get answer only if you are willing to think

 

[atensari]

redaxe:

I understand you are shocked to know the fact about Mirza, as the knowledge of Iblees astray him similar accident happed with Mirza, once known and honored as a Aalim, all of the sudden he made a false claim and became partner of Iblees.

This is very obvious for you ppl to support Kuffars not only on the blasphemy law you ppl are with Kuffers to promote Democracy and Secularism instead establishing Quran and Sunnat.

 

[closedstreet]

All political parties should think above the political interests. There is strong need to amend this law as it is modified by a dictator and made it very aggressive and vulnerable in a manner that it is abusing since it inducted. Molana is wrong that in Europe, law is for Christ. There is general law for all prophets. Being a civilized and educational society, we should consider all with open minded.

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