_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
bahi kisi ko force tou nahin kia sunnay kay liye.
bahi aap hi bata daen kay kis ko sunna chahiye,jo expose na hua ho.
bahi aap hi bata daen kay kis ko sunna chahiye,jo expose na hua ho.
Javed Ahmed Ghamdi's views about Parvez sahib . Must listen
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indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
There are two types of Jahil one is unparh jahil, who is very dangerous.... the other is parha likha jahil who is even more dangerous... I call them Abu Jahil..... And I suspect its symptoms in you...
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Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Bhai main kisi ko refer nahi karta ke woh kis ko sunnay .. Main as a muslim ghamdi ko fitna samajhta hoon .. aise bohut se hain bhai jo expose nahi huay .. aise bohut se hain jin par kisi ne ahtaraaz nahi kia ..
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
meri bhi ghamdi ke followers ke bare main aisi hi feelings hain
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
aap unko sunnay begehr hi un ko fitna samjhtay hain??? ye kisi kay kehnay per. bahi yahan tou allama iqbal aur sir sayed khan say lay ker quaide-azam per bhi aetraaz kia hay logon nay . tou kia wo bhi fitna they.
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
bhai main is Laan.ti Shaitan ghamdi ko bohut baar sun chuka hoon .. jo banda Hadees ka inkari ho .. jo banda Daroos e Paak ka inkari ho us Khabee.s ko sun kar apna time waste karne ka kia faida ... ghamdi jaisi fitnon ko hamara Electronic media promote karta hai ...
Ghamdi se bolo kisi aisi public ghathering main jai jahan is k followers k ilawa aam public ho phir aap is ghamdi ka hashar dekh lena ..
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
aap pehlay unhain sunain ,phir koi baat karain
aap ki baton say tou lagta hay kay aap nay un ko kabhi suna hi nahin,
aap ki baton say tou lagta hay kay aap nay un ko kabhi suna hi nahin,
Sohraab
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ab main kia kar sakta hoon jo aap ko aisa lagta hai ke main ne ghamdi ko kabhi nahi suna
Dear Aleph, if you read your own reply you will see you have accepted what I wrote. Please read your writing yourself a few times over if you have to. Also study what I wrote very carefully.
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Dear pakistan, you are right I have not yet answered the question raised by ghamdi sb because I wanted to bring in the foundation for it before I began. Already you can see how our brethren are busy insulting people without having anything useful to say in the debate. People are so entrenched in their nonsense that they are as good as brain dead. It is one thing not knowing something but quite another to refuse to learn.
Why arabic was chosen to reveal the quranic message for this age? It was because no other language was as developed as the arabic language. The question is, what is so special about arabic language?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvj7vRuNA7w&feature=related
prof of arabic yasir with hassan nisar explaining some meanings of some words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39vmE4zE-4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S55_WLrApBY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwbIFZSLpA&feature=related
Once a person understands how arabic root based system works, I will explain why the same root has different meanings and that is where ghamdi sb is still not at level with parwez sb.
regards adn all the best.
My question to all anti parwez elements ie mullahs and their followers, can you tell me why in arabic the very same root has so may different meanings? Anyone who can answer this question, only that person could be right in criticising parwez sb in his knowledge of arabic and interpretation of the quran.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...am-and-muslims&p=802682&viewfull=1#post802682
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-amp-tribalism&p=657523&viewfull=1#post657523
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ya-Maqbool-Jan&p=711922&viewfull=1#post711922
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?105874-Beneficiaries-of-Secularism
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...am-and-muslims&p=802682&viewfull=1#post802682
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-amp-tribalism&p=657523&viewfull=1#post657523
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ya-Maqbool-Jan&p=711922&viewfull=1#post711922
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?105874-Beneficiaries-of-Secularism
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NonStopLeo
Minister (2k+ posts)
Listen to Tariq Jameel or Any Certified Mufti...
NonStopLeo
Minister (2k+ posts)
I have listened this guy & found him controversial and stopped listening. I think he is not an Islamic Scholar..Just Neem Mulla, Kharea Emaan.
Listen to any molvi sb of your choice you will see them in more and more confusion. This is why muslim ummah as a whole is in trouble. So long as our people and our leaders learn no sense quran and hadith are not going to help and they have not for a long time now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiMQ2DQFxTs&feature=youtu.be
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Do you know what word imaan means? Please enlighten us.
NonStopLeo
Minister (2k+ posts)
dont listen to Molvi....Go to Cetified Mufti
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
I learnt in Arabic language course that some words in Arabic language has more than 100 different meanings ,i don't know either it is correct or not ??
You are right dear pakistan that there are certain roots which have so many meanings but my point is why it is only possible in arabic and not in any other language. I have explained this in my other posts but I want these people to explain this if they know anything worth about islam and quran.
My point is not that sir syed is right in everything he said about the quran or that farahi was right in everything he said about the quran or iqbal was right in everything he said about the quran or parwez was right in everything he said about the quran or anyone else right about whatever he says about the quran. I never found anyone right 100% about the quran. However, there were people and there are people who are right about the quran to some extent. None is wrong 100% either. Not even those who are critical of the quran.
People here forget that they were not born with phds in their hands, they started out on learning after birth and only learned so much and that is the point these ignorant fools must realise.
Why should one expect anyone to be like God when it comes to knowledge? Are we Gods that we must know everything there is to be known? If this is not the case then we are going to go through a lot of hard work and a lot of trial and error before getting anywhere near where we want to be. Life is so complicated that we cannot afford to sit around and keep condemning each other instead of learning from each other. It is to our advantage if anyone has got anything right at all that we learn from him and move on to next thing.
Sir syed did work on rationality of islam and that is why his work is important and I challenge any mullah to prove him wrong on that.
Farahi did work on coherence of the quranic text and that is why his work is important. Again no mullah can dare challenge his idea.
iqbal worked out islam is not a religion for individuals but a constitution based way of life for human society, again mullahs could not challenge his idea.
It was iqbal who rejected shariah of mullahs not parwez. The reason is obvious that once he realised the fact that islam was derailed by muslim kings, mullah and bankers from its track then it is they who hired mullahs to make laws in the name of islam to suit themselves. This is not a lie rather open up old fiqh books of both shiaa and sunnies and over the centuries and see how they have been making laws and changing them with time and changing circumstances and situations to give advantage to rulers and themselves at the expense of muslim masses.
Parwez did a great deal of work on the quran but along the ideas of sir syed, farahi and iqbal etc. As I said none of the foundational rules used by parwez can be defeated by any mullahs of any age. This is an open challenge for all to try.
Here is the problem. If any mullah tries to prove islam is irrational he shoots himself in the foot ie defeats himself because proof and proving is a rational thing. You give up rationality you get stuck ie you cannot prove anything after that. It is like you burn the boat you cannot cross the river.
Does it make sense that God who claims to be wise gives us a book that makes us stupid? Moreover in it he tells us to be sensible so many times. So mullahs need to think a lot before they challenge parwez, iqbal, farahi and sir syed etc. Mullahs are actually afraid of education of masses that is why they want all to remain ignorant and simple minded like babies so that they could easily control them.
So you can see the real problem with people who are mentally slaves of mullahs because they never think and raise their level of thinking. This is why ummah is in the state that it is. People need to become free for thinking and follow evidence and accept what is right or wrong on that basis. Thta is the only way we can get freedom from sectarianism.
I think the problem rests with our understanding of the quran. So long as we take it as a holy book of a religion the problem of sects cannot go away. The reason is, belief based system are inherently divisive because beliefs cannot be evidence based or believing is all a matter of blind faith. When one basis his claims on nothing verifiable and reasoning is thrown out the outcome cannot be other than confusion.
This is why basic points of discussion are aqal and naqal ie making sense of things through careful observations. It is because some scholar derailed muslims by telling each other using aqal against an alleged divine revelation is unacceptable or that revelation is superior to intelligence. This brought about a serious confusion in muslim minds.
People did not stop and think that role of sense is to judge concepts and objects for their truth or falsehood, or for their right or wrong, or for their benefits or harms etc.
So brain has its own purpose and revelation has its own purpose and they are both different and none is against the other. Both come from same source and complement each other.
The brain is active agent whereas revelation is just a piece of information. It is up to brain to make sense of revelation in light of real world realities. This is the proper way of looking at things if we want to get out of our confusion.
People who cannot understand this are having problems themselves and they cause problems for others as well and this is at the root of sectarianism that we see all around us.
The basic truth is how would a muslim know the quran is word of God but not the bible or how would a christian know the bible is word of God but the quran is not? This shows how silly some people are who are against using brain ie reasoning and evidence. The only way to decide matters one way or the other is brain. You judge the available information in form of testimonies and evidences pointed out in the given statements and see how they make sense. So the ultimate decision rests with brain.
It is for this reason people who promote faith based ideas are talking nonsense and are responsible for causing divisions between people for their own ends.
In islam there is no basis for sectarian divide in the quran, anyone who promotes negative divisions amongst muslims of any sort is not doing any service to islam. Even the prophet was told to stay away from people who want to divide each other and cause troubles. All prophets were sent to unite humanity under one rule. Those who became divided, they had their own senseless reasons nothing to do with divine revelations.
This is why understanding the quran is of vital importance than blindly following mullahs who are at the root of all this harm and destruction.
The quran is all about the set out goal called islam=peace. Allah does not accept any belief or action of anyone unless it promotes islam=peace. So those who promote anything other than islam=peace are ignorant and arrogant and trouble makers for mankind. This is why whatever they say or do against islam is unacceptable to God and should be unacceptable to humanity as well. Humanity must rejects such elements from within it as cause problems for it instead of helping it solve its problems.
This is why regardless what anyone claims one is trouble maker unless one works for peace of human community. This is the over all message of the quran.
Any silly interpretation of the quran which leads to divisions therefore is false and people should not act on it instead they should learn what is wrong with it so that they could become aware of harm and destruction it can cause if followed. The quran encourages us to plan our course of actions by keeping the end results of those actions in sight so that we could see where we will end up if we acted on that plan. Thta is how we will know whether our plan is good for us or bad for us. This is how the quran teaches us to be wise.
So anyone who tries to justify anything on sectarian basis is doing the wrong thing. If we have any sense then we should be able to see it clearly but if we do not have the sense we need then the first and foremost things to do for us is to learn sense and not follow each other blindly into the ditch like sheep.
What is there outside the sense other than nonsense? Our loyalty should be to God and humanity. So long as we have this as basis, we cannot go wrong in understanding the quran and the real world.
regards and all the best
Shero
Banned
Tariq Jameel is a Islamic Scholar ? lol.. have you ever listened to him? hes a Preacher not scholar .. and what is certified Mufti ? by the way Mullah omar is also Mufti although he never wrote mufti with his name , can we call him authentic ?
Shero
Banned
meet this idiot , hes here to award certificate whose Scholar and whose not .. what a jerk ..what is your qualification to call someone scholar or non scholar ? o ya i remember anyone is scholar until his views matches your views right ?
