Unicorn
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Islamic Economic System versus Capitalism
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Lekin its true! Did you read that crap? Look.. I am not advocating anything different in my article
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...rcial-and-International-Trade-Issues-Resolved
I do not see anything inconsistent with Islamic values. The ideas are practical. Heck, it even forced an employee of the Minnesota Federal Reserve branch to write to me and say the Gold Standard aspect wont work.. because Govts stop following it.. so it wont work.. (huh?) But I stayed consistent i.e. I didnt speak of issues I am not educated enough in.
I see articles like these and it just boils my blood. I was listening to Dr Israr Ahmed. I mean he is a big scholar lekin notice how he conveniently ignores the effect of Commercial credit diluting the fruits of labor of the general public and directing the wealth from the general public to the commercial banks in the west. Where was the creating of money from debt by the Central Bank mentioned which creates the booms and the busts? This selective view of the so-called capitalism in the west to advance their own marxist agendas is simply disgusting. Make my words, these folks who wear the clothes of Pious ppl, are not what you want to believe. They will go after the moniorties 1st, then they will stop counting you as a part of them and then they will come after you!
My religion has been infected. They have desecrated my religion... in the name of religion.
Allah sab ko apni hifazat mein rakhay.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...rcial-and-International-Trade-Issues-Resolved
I do not see anything inconsistent with Islamic values. The ideas are practical. Heck, it even forced an employee of the Minnesota Federal Reserve branch to write to me and say the Gold Standard aspect wont work.. because Govts stop following it.. so it wont work.. (huh?) But I stayed consistent i.e. I didnt speak of issues I am not educated enough in.
I see articles like these and it just boils my blood. I was listening to Dr Israr Ahmed. I mean he is a big scholar lekin notice how he conveniently ignores the effect of Commercial credit diluting the fruits of labor of the general public and directing the wealth from the general public to the commercial banks in the west. Where was the creating of money from debt by the Central Bank mentioned which creates the booms and the busts? This selective view of the so-called capitalism in the west to advance their own marxist agendas is simply disgusting. Make my words, these folks who wear the clothes of Pious ppl, are not what you want to believe. They will go after the moniorties 1st, then they will stop counting you as a part of them and then they will come after you!
My religion has been infected. They have desecrated my religion... in the name of religion.
Allah sab ko apni hifazat mein rakhay.
Mere bhai.. Islam was not implement but it was an automatic order of the society in Medina.. Everyone was practicing Islam in Medina than. It was not pushed down to everyone.
Yahi to masla hai.. Koi upar se lagu karay nizaam, hum kuch na karen. Sab cheez hum par lagu ho. Har cheez riyasat karay. Do you understand the corruption implications for that? The more a state has power, the more corruption there will be. And I assure you, any Aalim that advocates more State Power, look up his financing or Political agenda. Duud ka dahi ho jae ga!
Do not for a second think what RASAUL-Ul-Allah did, can ever be done by any other human! Wo Allah k AAAKHRI NABI thay. Jo NABI k saath reh kar Islaam seekhay, wo haqdaar ko Khaleefa bannay ka!
Khilaafat he thi na jis may Imam Hussain ki Shahadat huwi? Batao!
Aur wo Abbassi Khilafat he thi na jis may Imam Hambal ko kooray mar kar 7 saal ki jail di thi khaleefa nay? I am talking about the event of Mihna.
Those who are ignorant of history will go silently in history..
Yahi to masla hai.. Koi upar se lagu karay nizaam, hum kuch na karen. Sab cheez hum par lagu ho. Har cheez riyasat karay. Do you understand the corruption implications for that? The more a state has power, the more corruption there will be. And I assure you, any Aalim that advocates more State Power, look up his financing or Political agenda. Duud ka dahi ho jae ga!
Do not for a second think what RASAUL-Ul-Allah did, can ever be done by any other human! Wo Allah k AAAKHRI NABI thay. Jo NABI k saath reh kar Islaam seekhay, wo haqdaar ko Khaleefa bannay ka!
Khilaafat he thi na jis may Imam Hussain ki Shahadat huwi? Batao!
Aur wo Abbassi Khilafat he thi na jis may Imam Hambal ko kooray mar kar 7 saal ki jail di thi khaleefa nay? I am talking about the event of Mihna.
Those who are ignorant of history will go silently in history..
1 ummah
Councller (250+ posts)
"hukm sirf Allah ka hai"
ap ka matlab ab islam k mutabik zindagi nai guzari jaskti?
kiya nabi nay jo kiya wo is liyae nahi k hum follow krain?
islam is complete lifestyle,jis k kuch pehlu to individuALLY HR INSAAN puray kr skta hai pr kiuch k liyae society ka islamic princilples ko obay krna zaruri hai, kuch kaam individual level pr kr k result nahi daytay e.g jihad...aj gov level pr jihad nai horaha,to muslm groups bn gae jin ka jihad na rang laya na kashmir,palestine,....azaad huway or jihad ko naam mila terorism!
agr aaj muslim state (we assume all muslim countries as 1 state,as per hukm) ka ruler k order pr muslim army nay kisi b occupied muslim land k liyae jihad kiya hota to kiya hamari army,misiles etc wudnt have saved blood we lost?!
madina me bhi jihad,foreign relation,etc mohammad (s.a.w) nay as head of state nafiz ki
islam nay social,economic,education system foreign policy tk k rules diyae hain bhai jaan
ap ko pta hai is mulk ko anay wali aid ka aik hissa,curiculm development pr lgta hai,funded skools hai!
wat do u think ager hmaray hukmaran nay "eesai or yahood ko dost na bnao" k hukm pr amal kiya hota to ye war against islam ka hlwa khana prta hmay?
khalifa aesay bhi thay jin ki aik dhmki k aagay kafiroon ki jaan nikl jati thi
shall i remind u wat khalifa abdul hameed said wen french offered a deal askin 4 palestine...he said ,ye amant hai,meray hotay tumhay is zamin ka hand span hissa b nahi mil skta,jb me mr jau to bayshak falasteen muft me layjana..
buray isidents u mentioned na hi quraan say na hi sunnah say thay,khalifa apnay aml ka liyae jwab day ho ga,u cant decide on basis of them if islam is wrong or right
or kiya aaj k system k zulm o ziyadatiyaan discuss kr k daikhain?
musalman ka kaam islam ko judge krna nahi implement krna hai,without altering as thats wen we cause disaster,not islam!
u remember about wen Allah ordered angels to punish a lot n the angels asked about a person who was very pious,Allah nay kaha sb say pehlay us ko gharit kro ,q k mera naik hona kafi nahi,mujhay sb ko huq batana hai
a hadith tells us "that after zalimana era there will be khilafat again,on footsteps of nabuwat" inshallah
Unicorn
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Very well stated. We don't have to go history to see the evidence in support of what you said, its all over, today staring us on our face.
Lets look at 1 at a time
Remember MIHNA ?
Issues of Inflation
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?86023-Inflation-Understanding-Mehngai-Our-Core-issue
Issues of Monetary, Fiscal and International trade issues
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...rcial-and-International-Trade-Issues-Resolved
Issue of the BoP
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...91Mighty%92-Dollar-My-Article-at-TheNews-Blog
My solution to force the Govt to listen to the ppl
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ouself-Do-it-for-your-Kids-Do-it-for-Pakistan
Aysa to mein ne kabhi nahi kaha. Rab se qurbat dil se aati hai.. na k kisi gunahgar insaan k zor se. I am talking about Individual vs States rights here.
Pak Fauj hai na.. thats the legal system for Pakistan to implement Jihad. The Fauj should b under the authority of the elected body council. Thats a different thing k Pakistan awam is not voting for knowledgeable ppl with integrity.
Dekho.. ye sab rhetorical statements hain! This doesnt mean anything! I have said many times before ISLAM ab zameen par nahi raha. Utha liya gaya hai hamaray diloun se. What you think today is Islam, is only a ritual of Islam. Aaj pehle tum Urdu,Pasto,Panjabi speaking pehle ho.. phir Muslim. Dont argue.. look around and just admit the reality. Afghans are not Indian muslims. Arabs are not American Muslims. It'll never b 1 Muslim. Aray Imam Hussain ko Shaheed kiya MUSALMANOUN ne na..? Us zamanay k mussalmaan when they saw or heard RASUL-ul-ALLAH SAW with their own ears and eyes. And they still did what they did. Explain me now.. ARE YOU BETTER THAN THOSE MUSLIMS WHO SAW AND HEAR RASUL-UL_ALLAH SAW?
Those were alliances.
Jaanta houn. I am a supporter of one of those initiatives too. Next time when you hear k fundings for schools come from American, remember this, it comes from American Muslims too.
Mere bhai.. every 3rd world country that is pegged to the dollar economy is about to get crushed! CRUSHED. Aagay aagay dekho hota hai kya! You have no idea whats about to hit Pakistan. The crisis that hit Tunisia, Egypt and libya... i felt Pakistan would hit those crisis in 2008~09. When you find yourself in those crisis.. remember you read about it 1st on this forum!
Remember IMAM HUSSAIN RA?
Remember MIHNA ?
HAAN! bilkul! Here's my list
Issues of Inflation
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?86023-Inflation-Understanding-Mehngai-Our-Core-issue
Issues of Monetary, Fiscal and International trade issues
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...rcial-and-International-Trade-Issues-Resolved
Issue of the BoP
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...91Mighty%92-Dollar-My-Article-at-TheNews-Blog
My solution to force the Govt to listen to the ppl
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ouself-Do-it-for-your-Kids-Do-it-for-Pakistan
I find this comment the most offensive! Islam ko interpret karna... Read what Zia-ul-Haq did to Islam. Read what Yazeed did to Islam. They IMPLEMENTED ISLAM! Socho... samjho! ISLAM tumhara bhi utna he hai jitna mera!
1 ummah
Councller (250+ posts)
aap k aakhri piont say start kru..me nay islam ko judge kray ko ghalat kaha,samajhnay ko nahi.........!oviusly jo smjhay bhgair implement krain to wo hota hai jo zia nay kiya!
aik hadith jo me nay mention ki u forgot or just ignored??!!
as u mentioned y pakistan wud b crushed,wohi to i;m telling k root cause kafir nizam,kafiroon say dosti or un ki ghulami!
n wen i said assuming,i meant a situation under islam
kisi aik jga bhi,it can b pakistan ,sirya etc we succeed to est islamic state,to pehla kaam baki states ko merg krna hoga,as muslims r forbidn to have two rulers!
prove kro islam dunya say uth chuka hai,or islam is coming ka prove me nahi ye google he day da ga aap ko,or ask ur family friends, call muslims randomly living in arab,asia,africa ask" do u want to live under islam,u want to live according to shariah??
ask urself!
ager aap haan bolo to islam iissi dunya me hai,issi dunya k liyae utra,qayamt tk rahay ga
ager islam nahi ana to imam mehdi or hazrat eesa nay aa kr capitalist democracy implement krni hai?
app willing ho? thats wat Allah is abserving i wud say! kamil yaqeen!
i think jb shahadat e hussain ka rasulallah ko pta tha to hazrat hussain ko b pta he ho ga,but even then he stood against ruler,then he must not be good, even yazeed remained ruler to q ki nakaam koshish? or jb wo hm say behtr time me islam k liyae jaan qurbaan kr sktay hain to hm,jin ko glad tiding mili hai,jin ko yaqeen hai k ab zawal k baad arooj ana hai,islam k liyae strugle nahi kr sktay?
islam sirf ebadat ki form me reh gaya q k islam authority me nahi raha,idher hm in zalim hukmarano ko ,is kufer nizam ko hata k islam ko nafiz krain uder aap ko islam e islam nazr ae ga INSHALLAH!
Yahan mere willingness aur intentions ka sawal nahi hai. Mera sawal is the missing Islamic Scholars and their lack of work Economic theories hai. However I may add that there are some Muslim groups who have started some extensive work in Financial theories.
Wars are fought just for the sake of winning. They are fought to stand on principles. Thats what Karbala was.
Islam has to be reduced to nothing before Imam Mehdi and Essa AS comes. Thats all I am saying. Do think what you see is Islam. There is a mere ritual of Islam. sort of a lip service.
Here! I want you to watch this
Wars are fought just for the sake of winning. They are fought to stand on principles. Thats what Karbala was.
Islam has to be reduced to nothing before Imam Mehdi and Essa AS comes. Thats all I am saying. Do think what you see is Islam. There is a mere ritual of Islam. sort of a lip service.
Here! I want you to watch this
1 ummah
Councller (250+ posts)
acha i'l tell u about some names u can contact on f.b,they wil help u with islamic eco systm 4 today.
or jb hmay pta hai k aaj islam as a system nahi mojood to ,hm daikh sktay hai us ki absens bhugt rahay hain hm,or hmay ye smjhna chahiyea k hm pr islam k accordin zindagi guzarna farz hai ,to hmay is ko wapis lana hai 4 r better dunya n aakhira!? so reject kufer system demand islam! thats all we r suppos 2 do n thats all we will be questioned about n rewarded 4,inshallah!!
or jb hmay pta hai k aaj islam as a system nahi mojood to ,hm daikh sktay hai us ki absens bhugt rahay hain hm,or hmay ye smjhna chahiyea k hm pr islam k accordin zindagi guzarna farz hai ,to hmay is ko wapis lana hai 4 r better dunya n aakhira!? so reject kufer system demand islam! thats all we r suppos 2 do n thats all we will be questioned about n rewarded 4,inshallah!!
pyare bhai 1 ummah, islam tabhi log laayen ge jab ham un ko bataayen ge keh islam kia hai aur woh kaise kaam kare ga. isi baat ko to ham samajh nahin rehe aur doosrun par khamkhwa ghussa utaar rehe hen.
aap ko pata hai keh quran main mojood hai islami dastoor ka daancha magar har musalmaan mulk ne apna apna dastoor banaaya hua hai, kia waja hai is baat ki? yahee na keh baadshahoon ke mullah ne quran ki ghalat tabeerun se us ke dastoori daanche ko dhaanp diya hai. baad main aane waalun ne us ko phir se dhoondne ki takleef gawaarah hi na ki.
quran ne saaf saf bataaya hai dastoor kia hota hai aur us main kia kia hota hai. tanzeem saazi kese ki jaati hai, muntazimeen ko kaise taainaat kia jaata hai aur kaise badla jaata hai waghera waghera. Yeh baaten aap ko surah 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 24, 33, 58, 65, 72, 73, 74 waghera main milen gi. Quran main hamare nabi ki mukammal jidojohd ka zikr hai.
isis liye baashahoon ko zaroorat padi mullah ki keh agar quran ki woh khud saakhta tafseeren na karte to baadshahat ka wajood hi musalmaanu main mumkin nahin tha.
bhaichare main ghulaami aur aaqa ke tassawwur ka kia kaam is baat ko aap ghor se sochen.
islam aman hi ka doosra naam hai, kia baadshahat ko jaaiz tasleem karte hua duniya main aman mumkin hai? Nahin hai. phir in mullah ko yaa to islam ke ilm se mehroom maanana peda ga yaa ya un logoon ka agent jo islam dushman the aur hen.
aap ke liye bhi yahee zaroori ho ga keh aap pehle logoon ko yeh bataayen keh islam ka dastoor quran kaise hai jis main dastoor nazar nahin aata? quran bazahir aik mazhabi kitaab nazar aata hai deen yaa aaieen nahin.
sir syed aur iqbal ke nazriyaat ki ehmiyat us waqt tak zahir nahin hoti jab tak aise sawaalaat ko saamne na laaya jaaye.
islam ka dastoor quran hai. is ka dastoor hona khud quran main likha hua hai bas dekhne waali aankh ki zaroorat hai.
islam namaaz roze ka naam har giz nahin tha na hai. islam baadshahoon aur mullanu ki saazishoon se mazhab banaaya gaya. isi liye aaj hamari woh halat hai jo ham sab ke saamne hai.
sir syed aur iqbal waghera ka yahee pegham hai keh islam ko dobaara deen ki hesiyat se logoon main roshanaas karao aur yoon ummat ko jagao takeh ham log apni fareeza poora kar saken logoon ko sahee dawate islam dene ka.
umeed hai aap meri baatun ka bura nahin maane ge. yeh sirf bhaiyun ke darmiyaan tabaadlae khayaalaat hai. Allah ham sab ko apna pegham sahee tarah se samajhne ki tofeeq ata farmaye.
aap ko pata hai keh quran main mojood hai islami dastoor ka daancha magar har musalmaan mulk ne apna apna dastoor banaaya hua hai, kia waja hai is baat ki? yahee na keh baadshahoon ke mullah ne quran ki ghalat tabeerun se us ke dastoori daanche ko dhaanp diya hai. baad main aane waalun ne us ko phir se dhoondne ki takleef gawaarah hi na ki.
quran ne saaf saf bataaya hai dastoor kia hota hai aur us main kia kia hota hai. tanzeem saazi kese ki jaati hai, muntazimeen ko kaise taainaat kia jaata hai aur kaise badla jaata hai waghera waghera. Yeh baaten aap ko surah 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 24, 33, 58, 65, 72, 73, 74 waghera main milen gi. Quran main hamare nabi ki mukammal jidojohd ka zikr hai.
isis liye baashahoon ko zaroorat padi mullah ki keh agar quran ki woh khud saakhta tafseeren na karte to baadshahat ka wajood hi musalmaanu main mumkin nahin tha.
bhaichare main ghulaami aur aaqa ke tassawwur ka kia kaam is baat ko aap ghor se sochen.
islam aman hi ka doosra naam hai, kia baadshahat ko jaaiz tasleem karte hua duniya main aman mumkin hai? Nahin hai. phir in mullah ko yaa to islam ke ilm se mehroom maanana peda ga yaa ya un logoon ka agent jo islam dushman the aur hen.
aap ke liye bhi yahee zaroori ho ga keh aap pehle logoon ko yeh bataayen keh islam ka dastoor quran kaise hai jis main dastoor nazar nahin aata? quran bazahir aik mazhabi kitaab nazar aata hai deen yaa aaieen nahin.
sir syed aur iqbal ke nazriyaat ki ehmiyat us waqt tak zahir nahin hoti jab tak aise sawaalaat ko saamne na laaya jaaye.
islam ka dastoor quran hai. is ka dastoor hona khud quran main likha hua hai bas dekhne waali aankh ki zaroorat hai.
islam namaaz roze ka naam har giz nahin tha na hai. islam baadshahoon aur mullanu ki saazishoon se mazhab banaaya gaya. isi liye aaj hamari woh halat hai jo ham sab ke saamne hai.
sir syed aur iqbal waghera ka yahee pegham hai keh islam ko dobaara deen ki hesiyat se logoon main roshanaas karao aur yoon ummat ko jagao takeh ham log apni fareeza poora kar saken logoon ko sahee dawate islam dene ka.
umeed hai aap meri baatun ka bura nahin maane ge. yeh sirf bhaiyun ke darmiyaan tabaadlae khayaalaat hai. Allah ham sab ko apna pegham sahee tarah se samajhne ki tofeeq ata farmaye.
1 ummah
Councller (250+ posts)
jb aap ko pta hai islam ka system logo ko btanay ki zarurat hai to btao na bhai,n dats wat i m trying to do,wat do i talk exept "islam is the solution" i'l try to post summaries of systems in islam,but u know the details need time to b studied n learned! so u got to join halakah!
sb say pehlay log democracy ki dum chor k ye manay k islam farz hai,chahiyae! to un ko system b bta day gey,bohat saalo say hizb yehi kr rahi hai, ager aap jantay hain aesay logo ko jo system samjhna,perhna chahtay hai to do tell me,ap khud b aa sktay hain,
or jo history hai to short n simple jb khilafat kmzoor honay lgi,a) as selection was not on merit but from father to son! b) dominance of wazeers c) independence of walies... phir missionaries nay kaam dikhaya,phir islamic state k areas pr kbzay huway,phir WW k baad jb ye elakay azad huway to as independent state not back to islamic state,n with an agent to rule according to kufer system,NOT ISLAM!!
pyare bhai, aap ki baaten bhi bajaa hen aur maine bhi yahee koshish ki hai keh logoon ko bataoon islam mazhab nahin hai deen hai. doosri baat yeh hai keh jis cheez ko log islami qanoon kehte hen jo keh baadshahoon ke mullah ne ghada hai woh islami qanoon har giz nahin hai aur na qanoon aise banane ka quran main kahin zikr hai.
quran main islam ka dastoor diya gaya hai jis in mullah ne chhupaane ki koshish ki aur yeh koshish aaj bhi jaari hai.
zahir hai ham log insaan hen aur baatun ko samajhne aur un ko loggon tak pohnchaane main waqt lagta hai. is ke ilaawa itne log baat ko sunana bhi gawaara nahin karte kyun ke unke azhaan main yeh daal diya gaya hai keh hamare siwaa sab ki baaten ghalat hen bila parkhe aur ghalat aur sahee ke mayaar par.
behar hal hamara kaam apni taraf se kosh karna hi hai apni apni taaqat ke mutaabiq. aap ki sirf tawajoh is taraf laani thi keh kis baat ko kia ehmiyat haasil hai takeh us ko lehle liya jaaye.
agar ham quran ko dastoor ki tarha motarajjam karen to log quran ko padte hi jan len ge keh yeh mazbi kitaab nahin hai balkeh is ka taaluq maashara qaim karna aur chalaana hai.
jab tak ham quran ko mazbi kitaab ki hesiyat se logoon ke saamne pesh karte rehen ge log uljhan main pade rehen ge. jese keh ham khus aik zamaane tak pade rehe hum ge.
is uljhan se waqt bachaaya jaa sakta hai aur bache waqt ko behtar tareeqe se kharcha ja sakta hai. yani woh baaten maloom karne ke liye jo zaroori hen magar ham maloom nahin hen.
khudaa taala hamari madad farmaaye keh ham khud haq baat tak pohnch saken aur doosrun ko sahee raaste batane main madadgaar saabit hun.
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