Islami Shareah in Swat

laiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Siasat.pk kay tamam respected members sey guzarish hai kay kia islami shariat ka swat mien nifaz eik achi baat hai ya apko koi tahaffuzat hain? iskay saath yeh bhi bataien kay kia MQM nay isko support na ker kay aqulmundi ka muzahira kia hai ya nhi? plz comment
 

lahori

Senator (1k+ posts)
Buhat achi baat hai ....80's mein jab wahan sharia thi, tu average qatal 7-8 tha aur jaisey hi shariah khatam ki iska ratio 700-800 murder ho gia. Yeh aik choti si misaal hai.

The second thing is that If you are a muslim how can you even go against shariah law?

Another point is that 90% of the people of that area want Shariah law, It is their demand and who the hell are we to say NO to them!!

my two cents.

Thanks
 

Adeel

Founder
Good points raised there lahori.

If you follow Islam, you should not have a problem with shariah law. If you are not really a muslim, you can make tons of excuses against it.
 

laiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
:) kia islami jamhooria pakistan ka mojooda aaien quran or sunnat kay mutabiq nhi? kia yeh waqi islami shareah hai ya taliban ki shareah? plz izhar-e-khayal karien, thanks :)
 

Adeel

Founder
We are supposed to have the Shariah law implemented all over "Islamic Republic Of Pakistan". Pakistan was created in the name of Islam.
 

laiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Adeel said:
We are supposed to have the Shariah law implemented all over "Islamic Republic Of Pakistan". Pakistan was created in the name of Islam.

dear adeel i repeat: kia islami jamhooria pakistan ka mojooda aaien quran or sunnat kay mutabiq nhi? plz reply
 

laiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Dr. Sheerien Mazari of pakistan tehreek e insaaf capitalTalk kay 15th April kay program mien kehti hain kay yeh koi parallel system nhi hai sirf nomenclature change howa hai, or jo talibaan chahtay thay woh poora unko nhi mila......

ppl plz comments

thanks
 

laiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Adeel said:
Let me ask you this.

Do we have Shariah law implemented in Pakistan? No!

Dear Adeel
my answer is YES, 1973 ka constitution jo tamam political parties including islamic parties ka mutafiqqa aaien hai, i repeat "mutaffiqa" aaien hai Quran or Sunnat kay mutabiq banaya gia hai, is leah hamay apnay constitution ka ehtram kerna chahyeh...nizam e adal regulation eik alag cheez hai, nizam e adal aman qaim kernay kay leah hai or nizam e adal regulation kisi bhi tareeqay say 1973 kay constitution say mutasadim nhi hota...lekin kia hamay talibanization chahyeh??? ya talibanization nizam chahyeh???

apnay ulta mujh say sawal ker dia kay kia shariah law pakistan mien implemented hai??? sawal yahan implementation ka nhi hai, is baat ko samajhnay ka hai kay swat mien jo howa woh sahi hai ya nhi or kia woh mojooda aaien sey matasaadim hai ya nhi???

thanks :)
 

abdulhaseeb23

MPA (400+ posts)
ais cheez mein koi shaq nahi ke ke humara constitution quran aur hadith ke mutabiq hai

lekin ais per amal kitna horaha tha yeh sab ko pata hai agar sahi se aml ho jae ain per tu koi party mqm ppp pmln and etc koi election bhi nahi ladh sake gi kitne log hai jo drink kerte lekin phir bhi wo mna hai yeh aik bari misal hai ke humara constitution tu quran aur hadith ke mutabiq hai per ais per amal kitna hota hai aur abhi mere khayal se behas ki gunjaish bhi nahi rehti q ke parliment ne aese manzoor kia hai

rahi baat mqm ki woh khete hain ke dande aur bandooq ke zoor per shariat nahi nafiz hone denge aur khud karachi mein huqumat bandooq ke zoor per kerte hai, shops se bhate lete hain, qurbani ki khalein loot te hain, aur tu aur abb tu ramzan mein zabardasti fitra aur zakat bhi lete hain aur yeh mein ne kissi se suna nahi hai yeh sab kuch khud mere sath hoa hai, tu kia yeh constitution hai koi mujhe baata de ke kitna amal hota hai contituion per. aur ek larki ko korre marnee par ainho ne itni bari rally nikali youm-e-siyah manaya, aur jamrood mein jo masjid mein dhamaka hoa aus per q nahi youm-e-siyah manaya, aur Dr. Aafia siddiqui per bhi tu zulm ho raha hai tub mqm kahan hai,

aur borri band lash ka jo culture ain logon ne nikala tha karachi mein kia woh pakistan ka constitution hai,

darasal baat haqiqat yeh hai ke west ko yeh pasand nahi hai ais liye woh altaf hussain aur mqm ko use ker rahe hain ais shariah ke khilaf. aur jub swat ki public ko yeh manzoor hai tu phir mqm kon hoti hai ais per tanqeed kerne walee abhi agar karachi mein koi cheez ain ko pasand ho aur huqumat inkaar ker dai tu yeh karachi ka aur karachi ki awam ka haal swat se bhi batar ker denn gai
 

laiq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
abdulhaseeb23 said:
ais cheez mein koi shaq nahi ke ke humara constitution quran aur hadith ke mutabiq hai

lekin ais per amal kitna horaha tha yeh sab ko pata hai agar sahi se aml ho jae ain per tu koi party mqm ppp pmln and etc koi election bhi nahi ladh sake gi kitne log hai jo drink kerte lekin phir bhi wo mna hai yeh aik bari misal hai ke humara constitution tu quran aur hadith ke mutabiq hai per ais per amal kitna hota hai aur abhi mere khayal se behas ki gunjaish bhi nahi rehti q ke parliment ne aese manzoor kia hai

rahi baat mqm ki woh khete hain ke dande aur bandooq ke zoor per shariat nahi nafiz hone denge aur khud karachi mein huqumat bandooq ke zoor per kerte hai, shops se bhate lete hain, qurbani ki khalein loot te hain, aur tu aur abb tu ramzan mein zabardasti fitra aur zakat bhi lete hain aur yeh mein ne kissi se suna nahi hai yeh sab kuch khud mere sath hoa hai, tu kia yeh constitution hai koi mujhe baata de ke kitna amal hota hai contituion per. aur ek larki ko korre marnee par ainho ne itni bari rally nikali youm-e-siyah manaya, aur jamrood mein jo masjid mein dhamaka hoa aus per q nahi youm-e-siyah manaya, aur Dr. Aafia siddiqui per bhi tu zulm ho raha hai tub mqm kahan hai,

aur borri band lash ka jo culture ain logon ne nikala tha karachi mein kia woh pakistan ka constitution hai,

darasal baat haqiqat yeh hai ke west ko yeh pasand nahi hai ais liye woh altaf hussain aur mqm ko use ker rahe hain ais shariah ke khilaf. aur jub swat ki public ko yeh manzoor hai tu phir mqm kon hoti hai ais per tanqeed kerne walee abhi agar karachi mein koi cheez ain ko pasand ho aur huqumat inkaar ker dai tu yeh karachi ka aur karachi ki awam ka haal swat se bhi batar ker denn gai

dear abdul haseeb
very good comments sir. thanks a lot. apkay comments bhot respectfull hain :) plz ppl isi tarah apnay khayalat ka izhaar karien
thanks abdul haseeb :)
 

huss39

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
altaf hussain is a bigot. He is sitting in London and doing politics of a munafiq. Can any muslim be a muslim denying sharia. All these people opposing sharia law are ignorant. Pakistan was created as an islamic country with thousands people sacrifying their lives. It is a pity, sharia is not enforced in whole Pakistan. Beauty of sharia justice is quick and cheap.
Look at the justice in Pakistan. NRO has given all the dakus and murderers pardon. Can anybody imagine this happening in sharia law.
Only people afraid of sharia laws are crooks, westernised elite who have drained the economy of Pakistan for self and their families.
Sharia law does not suit munafiqs of MQM that is why altaf hussain is crying to please his American masters.
 

patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
Meray khiyal meN es ko Islami shareah nahiN molvi ki shareah kehna chahye.Es say shaid amman qaim ho jAey magar taraqqi ko bhool jaeN.
Kaha jata hai k Pakistan ka dastoor kitaab aur hadees kay mutabiq hai.
Yehi wajah hai k aaj tak es par ammal nahiN hua.Agar siraf kitaab(quran) kay mutabiq hota tau shaid ammal karna asaan hota,lekin hadees ki kitaabeN tau har kisi ki apni apni heN es liye shareah ka nizaam Pakistan meN pur amman taur par nafiz nahiN hoga.
I agree that MQM is just 'his masters voice'.
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem,

Mr. Patriot aap please Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz ko follow kerna chor do aur khalis Islam ko follow kero. Islam naam hai Quran kaa aur os ki interpetation Hadeeth hai yaani Allah k Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) ka oswa e hasana. Islam christianity nahi hai k na Injeel mehfooz rahee na hee Hazret Isa (alaihi salaam) ka oswa e hasana. Islam Qayamat tuk k liye aaaya hai aur qayamat tuk rahega aur Islam k dono basic source Quran aur Hadeeth Inshaallah Qayamat tuk mehfooz rahiengey aur mehfooz hien. Jahan tuk baat hai k hadeeth ki her aik ki apni apni kitaab hai. Yeh buhat bari jihalat ki baat hai jo aap ne kahi hai. You can not prove. Jahan tuk mukhtalif sects ka taaluk hai tu sects bantey hee jub hein jub log Quran aur Sahee hadeeth ko follow kerney k bajai apney apney nazriyaat ko bagher Ilm (knowledge) k phelaatey hien aur amal kertey hien.

Munkireen e Hadeeth ka group aaj ka nahi balkey yeh group pichley 200 saloon se sergarem hai aur logo ko Quran aur Hadeeth se hataaney per sergarem hai. Meger chon k Alla taalaa ne is deen ki hifazat ka zimma uthaaya hai is liye yeh apney maqsad mien kamyaab nahi hongey...

Quran se hee aisey beshumaar dalaail diye jaasaktey hien jo Hadeeth ki hujiyet k liye kaafi hien...

Baki raha mr. patiot ka yeh kehna k Hadeeth ki waja se shriyet ka por aman tor pe nifaaz nahi hosaka.... mien samajhta hon k patriot ager hadeeth pe amal nahi kerna chahtey tu na kerien meger hadeeth ko saarey masaail ki waja bayan na kerien aur Allah se derien.... Allah k Rasool sallal laahu alaihi wasallam k dor se le ker takreeben 700-800 saal ya is se bhi ziyada quran aur hadeeth musalmaano k mutafiqqa qanoon raha aur isi k zariye se faisley howey aur aaj bhi Alhamdulillah Saudi Arab jese mulk mien quran aur hadeeth ki bunyad per faisley hotey hien... Saudi Arab dunya k chund puraman mulkon mien se aik hai.... phir kiya waja hai k Hadeeth onkey liye rukawat tu nahi balkey Hadeeth hee derasal Quran ki sahee aur jaamey tashree kertee hai....aur derhakeeket Hadeeth bhi Wahee (revelation) hai jis terha Quran Wahee hai... jahan tuk Dhaif (weak) narrations ka taaluk hai tu Alhamdulillah Ulema e Hadeeth ne apnee kaawisho se inki na sirf nishaandahee kerdee hai balky aik aisa ilm (asmaa wa rijaal) ka is ummet k paas hai jisey insaani taarikh ne kabhi nahi dekha os ilm k zariye se dhaif aur sahee ahadeeth ko alag kiya jaasakta hai... Is k ilawa Saheeh Bukhaari aur Sahee Muslim pe pori ummet e muslima ka ijmaa hai k in kutub mien koi dhaif hadeeth nahi... is k baad bhi yeh propaganda kerna k Hadeeth ki waja se masaail hien derasal buhat bari jihaalat hai aur deen pe amal na kerney ka jhoota bahana....

Firqa peresti Quran aur Hadeeth per amal na kerney ki waja se hai yehee bunyaadi baat hai... Ager yeh ummet Quran aur Hadeeth pe sahee maano mien amal kerey tu koi waja nahi k hum muttahid na hon... meger hum sub ne apney apney peer imaam aur ulema ka intikhaab kerliya hai aur hum Quran aur Hadeeth k bajai inki baaton pe amal kertey hien aur Quran aur Hadeeth ki teref dekhtey bhi nahi...

Allah hum sub ko Quran aur Hadeeth e sahee maano mien chalney ki taufeeq ataa farmaye...

Aameen.
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
Very well said Abdul Haseeb. You are absolutely right that the constituition is Islamic but unfortunately no one is following it in all over the Pakistan.
1- Jamat-e-Islami was playing the role of front liner for America during the Afghan War against Russia and letting Heroine and KK culture to be allowed in Pakistan. They got millions of dollars from USA and sell Pakistan's interests in that war. We are still paying the penalty of that war. This was a violation of Islamic Constituition of Pakistan.
2- PPP and PML(N) did full corruption during their tenures of govts. It was a total violation of Islamic Constituition of Pakistan. They killed many Karachi youth during 1990s without any judicial trials, that was a violation of Islamic Constituition of Pakistan.
3- Maulana Fazl -ur- Rehaman got precious agricultural land in Dera Ismail Khan from Pak Army just to support Musharaf. It was also total violation of Islamic Constituition of Pakistan.
4- Imran Khan took part in the election in 2002 by giving a false statement to the election commision that his personal character has no flaws, although he was a father of an illegitimate child from a non muslim girl friend. It was also a violation of the constituition. He won the election and took the oath on Islamic Constituition of Pakistan.
5- Zardari, Shah Mahmood Quraishi, and Salman Taseer are alcohol drinkers at the public and hold the offices of an estate where the constituition is Islamic. It is also a total violation of Islamic Constituition of Pakistan.
6- Chaudhary Brothers got bank loans wiped out without paying a penny back. This is also a violation of Islamic Constituition of Pakistan.

So why only single out MQM. You are putting allegations on MQM on their few thousands so-called Bhatta Khori and bori band Laash culture.
Bro, first point out the big monsters who looted kharbon and sold Pakistan's interests to Americans and then come to the petty crimes what MQM is doing (BTW, this is you are accusing not me).
You just dream if MQM does not exist and Pakistanis will be following their Islamic constituition. So be happy with your dreams. At least you will have good personal and mental health with the help of your dreams.
 

I n s a f

New Member
HAM SAB MUSALMAAN HAIN SHARIAT SAB CHAHTAY HAIN JO SHARIAT KI MUKHALFAT KERTA HAY WO APNA IMAAN BACHAI ALLAH HAM SABKO SIRAATE MUSTAQEEM PER CHALAI AAMEEEN...
 

abdulhaseeb23

MPA (400+ posts)
dear mr. pakpatriot1,,

aapne mqm ke tahfuz ke beera uthaya hoa hai yeh mujhe pata hai ais lie app ne pechle forum mein bhi mqm ka tahafuz kia.

jahan tak doosri parties ki baat hain shayad app ne mera post pori tarah nahi padha mein ne bayan kia hai ke agar constituion per amal karen gai tu koi bhi party jis me meine nam mqm pmln ppp aur etc ka zikar kia app mqm ke tahafuz mein itne magan hojate ho ke sahi se padh nahi paate for your information etc mein sab aa jatee hain chahye woh phir imran khan hoo ya jamat-e-islami, q ke ais forum per mqm ki baat ho rahi hai aisliye meine apne comments unn per diya agar kabhi ppp jamat aur pmln etc ki baat hoi tu mein uss per comment doon ga q k abhi sirf mqm ne ais per ikhtilaaf kia hai aisliye meine mqm ki baat ki.

aur app ko ek suggestion doo apni id pakpatriot1 se change kerke MQMPatriot1 kerloo aur han app jitna bhi mqm ka tahfuz kerloo magar jhoot ko chupa nahi sakte, q k jhoot jhoot hai, aur sach sach, jhoot ko kitna bhi chahe bacha nahi sakte aur sach ko jitna bhi chahe chupa nahi saktee .so please don't try to save your so-called mqm

aur ek aur baat yeh forum suggestion dena ka hai bahas kerne ka nahi q ke app ne mujh per comment kia aisliye mein ne app ko jawab dia tu apne rai doo nuteral hoo ke, kisi party ki taraf hoker nahi

aur agar bahas hi karni hai tou koi naya forum shroo karoo

thanks kal milenge inshallah

apna khayal rakhna ALLAH HAFIZ
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem,

Mr.na-paak-patriot... please MQM ko kitna defend keroge... tum kiya chahtey ho k hum din ko raat aur raat ko din kahien.. I am myself victim of MQM's gundagardi, how can you expect from me to say that MQM is a peaceful organization???? as far as other parties are concern everybody knows that they are corrupt and likewise it is also clear that all aligations against them are not true, which one is true and which is not Allah knows... but MQM's matter is different we Karachi ties are victim of MQM's atrocities.

If I am wrong I would advice you to please come to Karachi next Eidul Fiter and Eidul Adha and open one shop in any of business area. I hope next year you will not defending MQM if you are not mutaasib... but if you are mutaasib I am afraid even after paying bhatta to MQM and giving your Qurbani khaal to them you will say "kiya hogaya police waley bhi tu rishwat lejaatey hien, ager yeh log nahi lejaingey tu koi aur lejaiga" Allah bachaaye taasub se... aameen.

such bolo.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The foundation of our country Pakistan was a base from which we could have impleneted the laws and govern our lives according to the teaching of Quran and Sharia. After all,our reason to struggle for Pakistan was to seek independent from Majority Hinu populus India where we thought our culture and our religion was in danger of being swept away by majority Hindus and their own laws whether Secular or Religious in Nature.It is extreme unfortune as a nation that we lost that sight due to our weak and corrupt leaders.There has been a very few positive milestones we accomplished as a nation to implement the universal Islamic laws which we dear so close to our lives. We, as a nation failed miserably to set example for our new generation to follow.
Now, we are stranded in a situation where we are dictated by others, mostly non muslim nations,if we try to implement or even show some desire to follow up on our goals.

And there is no shortage of those within us, who will critisize us, will make mockery of those laws which have even slight resembelence to being interpreted as Islamic laws.They know for fact that no one can implement 100% sharia laws in this society , yet they will critisize any effort to get something even close to the Islamic Sharia Laws. They will call it Barbaric, stone aged Laws and will not deter resisting such moves. So, we will not get the pure Islamic Laws,and they will never stop critisizing anything closer to Islamic Sharia. we will remain in catch 20/ 20 till the time is ripe for the nation to take stand.
 

patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
such bolo said:
Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem,

Mr. Patriot aap please Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz ko follow kerna chor do aur khalis Islam ko follow kero. Islam naam hai Quran kaa aur os ki interpetation Hadeeth hai yaani Allah k Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) ka oswa e hasana. Islam christianity nahi hai k na Injeel mehfooz rahee na hee Hazret Isa (alaihi salaam) ka oswa e hasana. Islam Qayamat tuk k liye aaaya hai aur qayamat tuk rahega aur Islam k dono basic source Quran aur Hadeeth Inshaallah Qayamat tuk mehfooz rahiengey aur mehfooz hien. Jahan tuk baat hai k hadeeth ki her aik ki apni apni kitaab hai. Yeh buhat bari jihalat ki baat hai jo aap ne kahi hai. You can not prove. Jahan tuk mukhtalif sects ka taaluk hai tu sects bantey hee jub hein jub log Quran aur Sahee hadeeth ko follow kerney k bajai apney apney nazriyaat ko bagher Ilm (knowledge) k phelaatey hien aur amal kertey hien.

Munkireen e Hadeeth ka group aaj ka nahi balkey yeh group pichley 200 saloon se sergarem hai aur logo ko Quran aur Hadeeth se hataaney per sergarem hai. Meger chon k Alla taalaa ne is deen ki hifazat ka zimma uthaaya hai is liye yeh apney maqsad mien kamyaab nahi hongey...

Quran se hee aisey beshumaar dalaail diye jaasaktey hien jo Hadeeth ki hujiyet k liye kaafi hien...

Baki raha mr. patiot ka yeh kehna k Hadeeth ki waja se shriyet ka por aman tor pe nifaaz nahi hosaka.... mien samajhta hon k patriot ager hadeeth pe amal nahi kerna chahtey tu na kerien meger hadeeth ko saarey masaail ki waja bayan na kerien aur Allah se derien.... Allah k Rasool sallal laahu alaihi wasallam k dor se le ker takreeben 700-800 saal ya is se bhi ziyada quran aur hadeeth musalmaano k mutafiqqa qanoon raha aur isi k zariye se faisley howey aur aaj bhi Alhamdulillah Saudi Arab jese mulk mien quran aur hadeeth ki bunyad per faisley hotey hien... Saudi Arab dunya k chund puraman mulkon mien se aik hai.... phir kiya waja hai k Hadeeth onkey liye rukawat tu nahi balkey Hadeeth hee derasal Quran ki sahee aur jaamey tashree kertee hai....aur derhakeeket Hadeeth bhi Wahee (revelation) hai jis terha Quran Wahee hai... jahan tuk Dhaif (weak) narrations ka taaluk hai tu Alhamdulillah Ulema e Hadeeth ne apnee kaawisho se inki na sirf nishaandahee kerdee hai balky aik aisa ilm (asmaa wa rijaal) ka is ummet k paas hai jisey insaani taarikh ne kabhi nahi dekha os ilm k zariye se dhaif aur sahee ahadeeth ko alag kiya jaasakta hai... Is k ilawa Saheeh Bukhaari aur Sahee Muslim pe pori ummet e muslima ka ijmaa hai k in kutub mien koi dhaif hadeeth nahi... is k baad bhi yeh propaganda kerna k Hadeeth ki waja se masaail hien derasal buhat bari jihaalat hai aur deen pe amal na kerney ka jhoota bahana....

Firqa peresti Quran aur Hadeeth per amal na kerney ki waja se hai yehee bunyaadi baat hai... Ager yeh ummet Quran aur Hadeeth pe sahee maano mien amal kerey tu koi waja nahi k hum muttahid na hon... meger hum sub ne apney apney peer imaam aur ulema ka intikhaab kerliya hai aur hum Quran aur Hadeeth k bajai inki baaton pe amal kertey hien aur Quran aur Hadeeth ki teref dekhtey bhi nahi...

Allah hum sub ko Quran aur Hadeeth e sahee maano mien chalney ki taufeeq ataa farmaye...

Aameen.
Bhai meN nay apna khiyal zahir kiya hai Swat meN shareah kay mutaeliq. Quran aur ahadeeth par behes kisi aur mauqa par kar leN gay koi neya thread shuru kar kay :)