Is it real ? Please Answer this question regarding "Miracles" in 1965 war.

[cefspan]

I had heard this , yesterday while randomly reading articles , I came across this one , I am sharing it here , do read the red colored words below and share ur views...........What was it? Miracles? or "Suspicious happenings"?????????
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English Translation of Spiritual Events During 1965 War

(From Book:Alakh Nagri)


1. A Saint of Lahore who never spoke before 1965 war and people called him ‘Chup Shah’. Suddenly started roaming and shouting in the streets, ‘O people, See what miracles God will show, Fear not, victory will be ours’


2. People coming from Sialkot told, ‘We had seen hundreds of white horse riders whom were wearing white dresses. They had swords in their hands, and they were saying that they are going to battlefield’ ’


3. Jang Newspaper received a letter from Madina Munawara, It was written that the day when Lahore was attacked, same night two people from Madina Munawara saw this dream that Holy Prophet (PBUH) is going on a horse. Humbly asked: Holy Prophet (PBUH), where are you going so quickly? Holy Prophet (PBUH) replied, ’Going on Jihad in Pakistan’


4. Famous Hakeem Nayyar Wasti was in Madina Munawara during 1965 war. After coming back to Pakistan, he announced in public that A Lady who lived in Madina from last 18 years and she daily sat near the Holy grill of Roza-e-Rasool (PBUH). She told on 6 September that she saw Holy Prophet (PBUH) worriedly and quickly coming out. His Holy Hair was untied and concerned. She never saw Holy Prophet (PBUH) in such anxiousness and hurry before.


5. Nayyar Wasti Sahib said, A Saint who used to meet him in Roza-e-Rasool (PBUH) every day, disappeared on 6 September. One of his pupil told that He has gone to Pakistan for Jihad.


6. Another Saint told Nayyar Wasti that all the Shuhada (martyrs) were gone to Pakistan by riding the horses in the companionship of Shuhada-e-Badr.


7. Brother of Waqar-un-Nisa College’s Principal was working in PAF Peshawar during 1965 war. He told: A bomb was fallen in a Tank of Petrol but surprisingly it didn’t blast.


8. Indian Army, who was attacking on Sialkot city, stopped by looking vacant battlefield. They thought it was a game by Pakistan Army to encircle them.


9. Barq Sahib told in his statement that many bombs were descended on Sargodha but only two got blast away from the target even though all aircrafts were openly positioned on Sargodha Airport.


10. Qazi Sahib told Mumtaz Mufti during war that Saints are protecting Pakistan in the battlefield otherwise how it can be possible that 21 bombs have been descended in Rawalpindi but only 5 got exploded. On battlefield our 5 hundred soldiers look 5 thousand or 5 Lac to Indians. What can we say but victory will be ours.


11. Indian Soldiers’ statements were also very surprising.
They said: ‘Army with swords gave us enormous losses. Light emanates from their swords’


Prisoners’ of Sialkot asked, ‘Who were those white dress soldiers in Pakistan Army ‘


A prisoner of Khemkaran told, ‘Horse riders in red dresses completely confused the Indian Army’


An Indian Pilot prisoner told, ‘In Multan, three Old Men were catching Indian bombs and throwing them away’


12. Indian Pilots’ Statements:
Indian XEN’s pilot son, who was caught during war due to bail out, told: ‘I don’t know what happened, I heard voices coming from all four sides that Bail out Bail out, even no Pakistani aircraft was tracing me. I got so much confused that I bailed out’


Indian General Kariepa’s son who was a pilot, got caught and told in his statement that I came to destroy River Ravi’s bridge but when I reached to River Ravi, there were six bridges instead of one.


Another imprisoned Pilot told: ‘We came to attack Dwarka, weather was clear, situation was perfect but when we reached Dwarka, a heavy cloud suddenly jumped from nowhere and covered Dwarka’


13. Many Pakistani journalists and writers who visited the different battlefields, told: ‘Wherever Indians surrendered, they did it due to misunderstanding because Pak Army was very small in numbers but Indians felt, Pak Army seemed to look more in numbers’

 

[Malik495]

Qabar ka haal murda janay yaar.. how can we confirm...

 

[niazi]

Accoring to our beloved prophetpbuh deen e Islam is name of sinceraty with Allah,Rasool Allah and Quran,it all happen because of sincere devotion of our people in 1965 war as it is understood miracles and Allahs help will shower true mujahideen till qayamah,jazda badar to peda karo ....,you cant get that emaan by watching vulger scenes because our beloved said "modesty is part of emaan",you cant get emaan by listning music because it is prohibited due to its ability to drive our emotion to wrong directions,jut follow the foot steps of our most beloved teacher ,leader,guide prophet muhammadpbuh and see how world will follow you ,blessings will be showered upon you from Allah .inshaAllah.

 

[chitra]

I had heard this , yesterday while randomly reading articles , I came across this one , I am sharing it here , do read the red colored words below and share ur views...........What was it? Miracles? or "Suspicious happenings"?????????
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English Translation of Spiritual Events During 1965 War

(From Book:Alakh Nagri)


1. A Saint of Lahore who never spoke before 1965 war and people called him ‘Chup Shah’. Suddenly started roaming and shouting in the streets, ‘O people, See what miracles God will show, Fear not, victory will be ours’


2. People coming from Sialkot told, ‘We had seen hundreds of white horse riders whom were wearing white dresses. They had swords in their hands, and they were saying that they are going to battlefield’ ’


3. Jang Newspaper received a letter from Madina Munawara, It was written that the day when Lahore was attacked, same night two people from Madina Munawara saw this dream that Holy Prophet (PBUH) is going on a horse. Humbly asked: Holy Prophet (PBUH), where are you going so quickly? Holy Prophet (PBUH) replied, ’Going on Jihad in Pakistan’


4. Famous Hakeem Nayyar Wasti was in Madina Munawara during 1965 war. After coming back to Pakistan, he announced in public that A Lady who lived in Madina from last 18 years and she daily sat near the Holy grill of Roza-e-Rasool (PBUH). She told on 6 September that she saw Holy Prophet (PBUH) worriedly and quickly coming out. His Holy Hair was untied and concerned. She never saw Holy Prophet (PBUH) in such anxiousness and hurry before.


5. Nayyar Wasti Sahib said, A Saint who used to meet him in Roza-e-Rasool (PBUH) every day, disappeared on 6 September. One of his pupil told that He has gone to Pakistan for Jihad.


6. Another Saint told Nayyar Wasti that all the Shuhada (martyrs) were gone to Pakistan by riding the horses in the companionship of Shuhada-e-Badr.


7. Brother of Waqar-un-Nisa College’s Principal was working in PAF Peshawar during 1965 war. He told: A bomb was fallen in a Tank of Petrol but surprisingly it didn’t blast.


8. Indian Army, who was attacking on Sialkot city, stopped by looking vacant battlefield. They thought it was a game by Pakistan Army to encircle them.


9. Barq Sahib told in his statement that many bombs were descended on Sargodha but only two got blast away from the target even though all aircrafts were openly positioned on Sargodha Airport.


10. Qazi Sahib told Mumtaz Mufti during war that Saints are protecting Pakistan in the battlefield otherwise how it can be possible that 21 bombs have been descended in Rawalpindi but only 5 got exploded. On battlefield our 5 hundred soldiers look 5 thousand or 5 Lac to Indians. What can we say but victory will be ours.


11. Indian Soldiers’ statements were also very surprising.
They said: ‘Army with swords gave us enormous losses. Light emanates from their swords’


Prisoners’ of Sialkot asked, ‘Who were those white dress soldiers in Pakistan Army ‘


A prisoner of Khemkaran told, ‘Horse riders in red dresses completely confused the Indian Army’


An Indian Pilot prisoner told, ‘In Multan, three Old Men were catching Indian bombs and throwing them away’


12. Indian Pilots’ Statements:
Indian XEN’s pilot son, who was caught during war due to bail out, told: ‘I don’t know what happened, I heard voices coming from all four sides that Bail out Bail out, even no Pakistani aircraft was tracing me. I got so much confused that I bailed out’


Indian General Kariepa’s son who was a pilot, got caught and told in his statement that I came to destroy River Ravi’s bridge but when I reached to River Ravi, there were six bridges instead of one.


Another imprisoned Pilot told: ‘We came to attack Dwarka, weather was clear, situation was perfect but when we reached Dwarka, a heavy cloud suddenly jumped from nowhere and covered Dwarka’


13. Many Pakistani journalists and writers who visited the different battlefields, told: ‘Wherever Indians surrendered, they did it due to misunderstanding because Pak Army was very small in numbers but Indians felt, Pak Army seemed to look more in numbers’

Dearest, This all stuff is from the 'sick minded'. If there had been an 'element' of truth in it did we 'lost' East Pakistan that easily when "India" was instrumental in both these wars in 1965 & 1971. Take it just for a read!

 

[Shahid Ahmed]

Dearest, This all stuff is from the 'sick minded'. If there had been an 'element' of truth in it did we 'lost' East Pakistan that easily when "India" was instrumental in both these wars in 1965 & 1971. Take it just for a read!

Is Tarah tou hum bhi keh sakte hain k, Ghazwa Badr mein Musalmanon ko fateh hoi thee or, Ghazwa Uhud mien shikast nahi hoi thee magar bohat ziada nuqsaan hua tha.
ye ALLAH ki marzi hai jis ko chahein fateh dila den jis ko chahen shikast. Musalman ka kam sirf koshish kerna hai.

 

[Temojin]

all true and i know this through anecdotal reference from people who were there in those days as well as some indian soldiers also confessed it which is present in their documents.

Remember it will be ghazwa e hind at the end, not jihad e hind so ghazwa were the battles in which Muhammad pbuh himself participated, rest you can understand.

 

[chitra]

I had heard this , yesterday while randomly reading articles , I came across this one , I am sharing it here , do read the red colored words below and share ur views...........What was it? Miracles? or "Suspicious happenings"?????????
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


English Translation of Spiritual Events During 1965 War

(From Book:Alakh Nagri)


1. A Saint of Lahore who never spoke before 1965 war and people called him ‘Chup Shah’. Suddenly started roaming and shouting in the streets, ‘O people, See what miracles God will show, Fear not, victory will be ours’


2. People coming from Sialkot told, ‘We had seen hundreds of white horse riders whom were wearing white dresses. They had swords in their hands, and they were saying that they are going to battlefield’ ’


3. Jang Newspaper received a letter from Madina Munawara, It was written that the day when Lahore was attacked, same night two people from Madina Munawara saw this dream that Holy Prophet (PBUH) is going on a horse. Humbly asked: Holy Prophet (PBUH), where are you going so quickly? Holy Prophet (PBUH) replied, ’Going on Jihad in Pakistan’


4. Famous Hakeem Nayyar Wasti was in Madina Munawara during 1965 war. After coming back to Pakistan, he announced in public that A Lady who lived in Madina from last 18 years and she daily sat near the Holy grill of Roza-e-Rasool (PBUH). She told on 6 September that she saw Holy Prophet (PBUH) worriedly and quickly coming out. His Holy Hair was untied and concerned. She never saw Holy Prophet (PBUH) in such anxiousness and hurry before.


5. Nayyar Wasti Sahib said, A Saint who used to meet him in Roza-e-Rasool (PBUH) every day, disappeared on 6 September. One of his pupil told that He has gone to Pakistan for Jihad.


6. Another Saint told Nayyar Wasti that all the Shuhada (martyrs) were gone to Pakistan by riding the horses in the companionship of Shuhada-e-Badr.


7. Brother of Waqar-un-Nisa College’s Principal was working in PAF Peshawar during 1965 war. He told: A bomb was fallen in a Tank of Petrol but surprisingly it didn’t blast.


8. Indian Army, who was attacking on Sialkot city, stopped by looking vacant battlefield. They thought it was a game by Pakistan Army to encircle them.


9. Barq Sahib told in his statement that many bombs were descended on Sargodha but only two got blast away from the target even though all aircrafts were openly positioned on Sargodha Airport.


10. Qazi Sahib told Mumtaz Mufti during war that Saints are protecting Pakistan in the battlefield otherwise how it can be possible that 21 bombs have been descended in Rawalpindi but only 5 got exploded. On battlefield our 5 hundred soldiers look 5 thousand or 5 Lac to Indians. What can we say but victory will be ours.


11. Indian Soldiers’ statements were also very surprising.
They said: ‘Army with swords gave us enormous losses. Light emanates from their swords’


Prisoners’ of Sialkot asked, ‘Who were those white dress soldiers in Pakistan Army ‘


A prisoner of Khemkaran told, ‘Horse riders in red dresses completely confused the Indian Army’


An Indian Pilot prisoner told, ‘In Multan, three Old Men were catching Indian bombs and throwing them away’


12. Indian Pilots’ Statements:
Indian XEN’s pilot son, who was caught during war due to bail out, told: ‘I don’t know what happened, I heard voices coming from all four sides that Bail out Bail out, even no Pakistani aircraft was tracing me. I got so much confused that I bailed out’


Indian General Kariepa’s son who was a pilot, got caught and told in his statement that I came to destroy River Ravi’s bridge but when I reached to River Ravi, there were six bridges instead of one.


Another imprisoned Pilot told: ‘We came to attack Dwarka, weather was clear, situation was perfect but when we reached Dwarka, a heavy cloud suddenly jumped from nowhere and covered Dwarka’


13. Many Pakistani journalists and writers who visited the different battlefields, told: ‘Wherever Indians surrendered, they did it due to misunderstanding because Pak Army was very small in numbers but Indians felt, Pak Army seemed to look more in numbers’

I had no intensions to get involved in this 'stupidity' which was even there in 1965 but following salient point forced me to tell you that "DWARKA" is an important Sea-Port of India which our submarine PNS "GHAZI" destroyed in 1965. How come this so called imprisoned Pilot's below statement can be even thought to be a 'fact'. Bhai, both Pilot & DWARKA belonged to India and only some goof can fabricate this story. Height of our foolishism!
"Another imprisoned Pilot told: ‘We came to attack Dwarka, weather was clear, situation was perfect but when we reached Dwarka, a heavy cloud suddenly jumped from nowhere and covered Dwarka’

 

[chitra]

Is Tarah tou hum bhi keh sakte hain k, Ghazwa Badr mein Musalmanon ko fateh hoi thee or, Ghazwa Uhud mien shikast nahi hoi thee magar bohat ziada nuqsaan hua tha.
ye ALLAH ki marzi hai jis ko chahein fateh dila den jis ko chahen shikast. Musalman ka kam sirf koshish kerna hai.

:jazak: what an explanation! With this type of 'brains' we are looking forward for a (new) Mind-set!
S.O.S. to canadian, wadaich, adeel & waseem.

 

[babadeena]

Total Non-sense and rubbish. Let us put the facts to their real perspective:
a) 1965 war or any other wars with India were never "Jehad Fee Sabil Lillah". We wish
to camouflage it with these sacred words, because we have nothing else. Therefore, the
element of "religion" should be taken out from these conflicts.

b) All wars were for political and territorial and personal agendas of few;

c) 1965 war was started by Pakistan, Operation Gibraltor type of things are no more a secret.

d) This is a myth that Pakistan defeated India in 1965. The reality is written in M.B.Khalid
book "Ten years in Presidency". He was Private Secretary to Presidents;
e) The earth was being withdrawn from beneath our feets in 17 days. There was not even
petrol to run the military vehicles.

f) The economic disaster of this "personally-motivated-war-by few (three)" is immense
the ramifications are still felt.

g) Let us stop once and for all to label everyone the word "shaheed".

h) India planned and took the opportunity and exploited it in 1971. a scar on our face
we shall never eliminate.
These are few but little realities. Let us face them and be realistic. Self-imaginary bravery
is stupidity.
Perhaps many will not like my post, but the fact is fact and spade is a spade.

 

[gazoomartian]

cefspan,

I have heard more or less the same things but I was too young in 1965. We were in a small town in East Pakistan, with
No newspaper, no radio, no motor transport (we had bullcart that we loved), no motor bikes, nothing to pollute air except for droppings from cows, bulls, dogs, etc.

So I cant reply to you but read this true story.

During the 65 war, one day I was fishing at a small pond, an Indian (I was told later) aircraft zoom by over us.
A Bengali brother saw it and grabbed a dhela (little solidified rock of dust) and threw at the aircraft saying:
yehan sey jao kut tey ka bacha

subhanAllah, yeh jazba 65 mein aur woh jzba 71 mein. What the idiot Ayub did and what the ghaddar Bhutto did. Laaaaaanat ho in dono per, Ameen

 

[indigo]

Banaspati Intellectual, can, confirm it for you ;)

 

[niazi]

Allah ki madad ka wada badar main bhi pura hua Uhad main bhi Uhad ki defeat was because of( nafarmani ) disobediance of prophetspbuh order not to leave there spot but they did and were defeated,this is an example and moral for all of us if we are disobedient to Allah and rasoolpbuh then just wait for clamity not help.

 

[GEEMA]

Pakistan ko kabhi bhi koi bhi nuqsaaan nahi pouhancha sakta hai, Kisis mein itna dam nahi hai, bas hamein himmat karni hai or ham puri dunya mein hara jhanda lehra sakte hein

 

[zeyafa]

13. Many Pakistani journalists and writers who visited the different battlefields, told: Wherever Indians surrendered, they did it due to misunderstanding because Pak Army was very small in numbers but Indians felt, Pak Army seemed to look more in numbers

Myth.......

 

[niazi]

Total Non-sense and rubbish. Let us put the facts to their real perspective:
a) 1965 war or any other wars with India were never "Jehad Fee Sabil Lillah". We wish
to camouflage it with these sacred words, because we have nothing else. Therefore, the
element of "religion" should be taken out from these conflicts.
(first learn what does jihad means ,1965 war was in our defence ,any war for self defence of Islamic country is jihad and to help such a country is fard on other muslim ummah,war that is for conquest of land is not jihad but if its to spread deen e islam as it was done in prophetpbuh era and in khulafa e rashideens era was jihad )

b) All wars were for political and territorial and personal agendas of few;

c) 1965 war was started by Pakistan, Operation Gibraltor type of things are no more a secret.
(it was started by Indians in Azad jammu first and we retaliated)

d) This is a myth that Pakistan defeated India in 1965. The reality is written in M.B.Khalid
book "Ten years in Presidency". He was Private Secretary to Presidents .
(people like you cant change documented and proved historical events by the whole world just by giving a reference of a book by any tom and dick like you)
e) The earth was being withdrawn from beneath our feets in 17 days. There was not even
petrol to run the military vehicles.(emaan ka petrol was driving whole nation you fool)

f) The economic disaster of this "personally-motivated-war-by few (three)" is immense
the ramifications are still felt.

g) Let us stop once and for all to label everyone the word "shaheed".
(yes its Allah you will decide who is shaheed)

h) India planned and took the opportunity and exploited it in 1971. a scar on our face
we shall never eliminate.(yes it was due to our politicians , and ghaddars of mukti baheeni)
These are few but little realities. Let us face them and be realistic. Self-imaginary bravery
is stupidity.
Perhaps many will not like my post, but the fact is fact and spade is a spade.

may Allah guide us all on right path,ameen.

 

[J10 V Dragon]

is tarah tou hum bhi keh sakte hain k, ghazwa badr mein musalmanon ko fateh hoi thee or, ghazwa uhud mien shikast nahi hoi thee magar bohat ziada nuqsaan hua tha.
Ye allah ki marzi hai jis ko chahein fateh dila den jis ko chahen shikast. Musalman ka kam sirf koshish kerna hai.

well said shahid ahmed

 

[Jack Sparrow]

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[jujuju]

so if you won 65 war, can you give me 1 reference of any work written on 65 war which claims you won it? of course without stressing enuff, dont give me a pakistani source. tum long etna etna jhoot bolte ho, ki kisi din tumhari zaban tumhe jhapad mar degi.

tha pak army should stop lying like this and spreading total lies and misinformation by getting books like this written. arre kuch to sharam karo. etne bade tumhare connexion hote with miracles, why ddint any of your miracles save you in 65 or 71 or kargil. it was a miracle that 90,000 POW's were treated well and released by india in 1972.

may Allah guide us all on right path,ameen.

 

[jujuju]

[MENTION=12754]cefspan[/MENTION] does this book have an english translation? humour ke liye padha jaa sakta hai. should be good fun.

 

[indigo]

so if you won 65 war, can you give me 1 reference of any work written on 65 war which claims you won it? of course without stressing enuff, dont give me a pakistani source. tum long etna etna jhoot bolte ho, ki kisi din tumhari zaban tumhe jhapad mar degi.

tha pak army should stop lying like this and spreading total lies and misinformation by getting books like this written. arre kuch to sharam karo. etne bade tumhare connexion hote with miracles, why ddint any of your miracles save you in 65 or 71 or kargil. it was a miracle that 90,000 POW's were treated well and released by india in 1972.

You are Indian, but you are human,
thats why im telling you,
when someone is unhealth mentally...
you dont say him... that you are mental case...
but you say.... you are fine.. and give him bit of medicine...
You should not worry, in Pakistan it is very common fact in educated class about wars with India...
We believe we never won any war on aggression... but once did well on defence....
not bcoz of army but becoz of people...
Many pakistani writer wrote books on this topic....