Imran Bhai: "We never had any extremism in Pakistan till we joined the American War on terror".
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Imran Khan - We never had any extremism in Pakistan
- Thread starter Shahid Ali
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Mr. Khans claims that there was no extremism in Pakistan prior to 2001 is absolutely fictitious, incidents of violence be it sectarian or ethnic were a common occurrence. The perpetual state of denial undermines the efforts of our brave soldiers who are fighting OUR WAR!!!
Chaudhry_1960
Minister (2k+ posts)
Imran Khan doesn't know sh**t. The true leader is Nawaz Sharif who controlled the MQM terrorism in Karachi in 1992 and put them all in jails and also got rid of them in police encounters. That's the only way to get rid of the extremist factor, deal with them with iron-fist. Because of 1992 operation started by the great leader Nawaz Sharif, MQM is a lot better party today.
Chaudhry_1960 said:
imran khan was refering extreemism we are faceing today, not sectarian because this was alway there. you have said MQM is a lot better party today but they own this statment of [altaf] kali mata, still u call better,
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choudry you are not choudry of Gujrat?? are u??
adslpxp2
MPA (400+ posts)
You are saying in 1992 Nawaz sharif eliminated MQM criminals through police operation and today MQM has become party of Angels. My question to you Chaudhry_1960 is, did Nawaz eliminate the head of the MQM Angels AKA (Altaf Husain). How can you say MQM is a lot better today when Holy of the Holies is still running the show from London.
Shahid Ali
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Extremism was sown in our society by Gen Zia with the help of USA and Saudi Arab in 80s. Initial victims of this extremism were moderate Pushtoon brothers, then Shias, Parsis (almost all left Pakistan), Christians + other minorities and now it has spread all over. So now everybody is feeling the heat. Earlier it was affecting a particular segment of population so there was no hue and cry.
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http://www.amnesty.ca/Refugee/Concerns_Shias.php
Amnesty International Concerns with respect to Shias in Pakistan
The following information comes from direct communication with the South Asia Team of researchers at the International Secretariat of Amnesty International, and from their recent report "PAKISTAN: Insufficient protection of religious minorities", Amnesty International, May 2001
Sectarian violence between Shia (who make up some 15% of Pakistan's 156 million people) and Sunni groups -- a threat to peace, security and stability of the people and the country -- has cost hundreds of lives in recent years, mostly Shia. It is a legacy which the present government has inherited from successive earlier governments which either failed to decisively tackle the problem, either due to indecision or fear of backlash, or tried to use religious groups for their own political ends and so fed sectarian violence. After several weeks of relative calm after the military takevover in 1999, sectarian killings resumed and have since then remained at a consistently high level.
The pattern most often observed involves prominent members of one of the religious communities or organizations being shot dead by gunmen riding by on motorbikes; subsequently, especially around the time of the burial and other ceremonies for the deceased revenge killings take place, carried out by violent mobs which lead to further revenge killings. At this stage civilians of either community are frequently killed as attacks turn indiscriminate.
The state appears to be have been unable or unwilling to prevent religiously motivated violence. During sectarian clashes, police frequently stand by or only appear on the scene when people have been injured or killed and property destroyed. Following the shooting of Maulana Yusuf Ludhianvi, a well-known Sunni scholar at the Binori Town seminary, along with his driver near his home in Karachi on 18 May 2000, the city was virtually under the control of Islamist groups and public life almost came to a standstill. Despite the ban on political meetings imposed in March 2000, police and the paramilitary Rangers, withdrew and allowed demonstrators a free hand, resulting in immense loss of property and dozens of people being injured. ''The strike, the killing and the events thereafter point to one thing clearly: the law enforcement agencies have completely failed to become pro-active. The terrorists or criminals, call them what you may, can strike at will and get away with it.''
The state appears also to have been unable or unwilling to ensure legal redress after violent sectarian incidents. The fact that police only rarely arrest those responsible for sectarian killings is partly due to police training deficiencies but also to the fact that witnesses are afraid to come forward and testify in the absence of adequate witness protection programs. Following the targeted killing in Karachi of four Shia men, a doctor and his three patients, in May 2000, police arrested scores of suspects but all were released within a day as no witnesses came forward to testify. Fears of retaliation are well-founded as key witnesses of sectarian crimes as well as lawyers, prosecutors and judges have been murdered in revenge acts by the community of the accused. Consequently, cases of high profile sectarian killings remain pending for years as judges, lawyers and witnesses fear for their lives.
After prevaricating for some time, the government in late 2000 took some action to stop sectarian violence. In December 2000, the Punjab Inspector General of Police said that a special task force would be established to tackle sectarian violence and terrorism. A month later during a meeting with Islamic groups in Islamabad, Interior Minister Moinuddin Haider announced the setting up of Ulema Committees tasked to promote sectarian peace and intercede in case of tension. Observers have pointed out that such committees have failed in the past to promote peace because clerics, often responsible for sectarian violence, had been included in them. At the same time Haider announced a survey to register all mosques in the country to prevent further forcible occupation by other religious groups, a context in which violence had often flared up.
Recent direct communication with the South Asia Team of researchers at the International Secretariat of Amnesty International confirms that there are no changes to the situation in the above-quoted report, and that attacks on Shia continue to happen and there is no improvement in the structures created to stop them.
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[videocoqlrtv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DER-CRPjzQI[/videocoqlrtv]
http://www.amnesty.ca/Refugee/Concerns_Shias.php
Amnesty International Concerns with respect to Shias in Pakistan
The following information comes from direct communication with the South Asia Team of researchers at the International Secretariat of Amnesty International, and from their recent report "PAKISTAN: Insufficient protection of religious minorities", Amnesty International, May 2001
Sectarian violence between Shia (who make up some 15% of Pakistan's 156 million people) and Sunni groups -- a threat to peace, security and stability of the people and the country -- has cost hundreds of lives in recent years, mostly Shia. It is a legacy which the present government has inherited from successive earlier governments which either failed to decisively tackle the problem, either due to indecision or fear of backlash, or tried to use religious groups for their own political ends and so fed sectarian violence. After several weeks of relative calm after the military takevover in 1999, sectarian killings resumed and have since then remained at a consistently high level.
The pattern most often observed involves prominent members of one of the religious communities or organizations being shot dead by gunmen riding by on motorbikes; subsequently, especially around the time of the burial and other ceremonies for the deceased revenge killings take place, carried out by violent mobs which lead to further revenge killings. At this stage civilians of either community are frequently killed as attacks turn indiscriminate.
The state appears to be have been unable or unwilling to prevent religiously motivated violence. During sectarian clashes, police frequently stand by or only appear on the scene when people have been injured or killed and property destroyed. Following the shooting of Maulana Yusuf Ludhianvi, a well-known Sunni scholar at the Binori Town seminary, along with his driver near his home in Karachi on 18 May 2000, the city was virtually under the control of Islamist groups and public life almost came to a standstill. Despite the ban on political meetings imposed in March 2000, police and the paramilitary Rangers, withdrew and allowed demonstrators a free hand, resulting in immense loss of property and dozens of people being injured. ''The strike, the killing and the events thereafter point to one thing clearly: the law enforcement agencies have completely failed to become pro-active. The terrorists or criminals, call them what you may, can strike at will and get away with it.''
The state appears also to have been unable or unwilling to ensure legal redress after violent sectarian incidents. The fact that police only rarely arrest those responsible for sectarian killings is partly due to police training deficiencies but also to the fact that witnesses are afraid to come forward and testify in the absence of adequate witness protection programs. Following the targeted killing in Karachi of four Shia men, a doctor and his three patients, in May 2000, police arrested scores of suspects but all were released within a day as no witnesses came forward to testify. Fears of retaliation are well-founded as key witnesses of sectarian crimes as well as lawyers, prosecutors and judges have been murdered in revenge acts by the community of the accused. Consequently, cases of high profile sectarian killings remain pending for years as judges, lawyers and witnesses fear for their lives.
After prevaricating for some time, the government in late 2000 took some action to stop sectarian violence. In December 2000, the Punjab Inspector General of Police said that a special task force would be established to tackle sectarian violence and terrorism. A month later during a meeting with Islamic groups in Islamabad, Interior Minister Moinuddin Haider announced the setting up of Ulema Committees tasked to promote sectarian peace and intercede in case of tension. Observers have pointed out that such committees have failed in the past to promote peace because clerics, often responsible for sectarian violence, had been included in them. At the same time Haider announced a survey to register all mosques in the country to prevent further forcible occupation by other religious groups, a context in which violence had often flared up.
Recent direct communication with the South Asia Team of researchers at the International Secretariat of Amnesty International confirms that there are no changes to the situation in the above-quoted report, and that attacks on Shia continue to happen and there is no improvement in the structures created to stop them.
[altaf] MUNFIQEEN QATIL PARTY WAS PRODUCT OF ZIA UL HAQ'S ISI, AND THESE ARE EXTREEMIST OF THE SOUTH EVEN MUCH BEFORE EXTEEMEST OF THE NORTH.
EXTEEMIST OF THE NORTH DOT AGAINT PAKISTAN BUT EXREEMIST OF THE SOUTH ARE GADDARS AND THIS IS THE STATMENT OF THE GADDAR PAKISTAN [altaf] ON THE LAND WHERE THE BLOOD OF 5,000,000 SPILED, STILL SPLED. IF WE HAVE COMPARE EXREEMISM WHERE THESE GADDARS MUNAFQEENS QATIL PARTY STAND WHO OWN THIS STATMENT.
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KALI MATA [altaf] CALLING PAKISTAN BLUNDER
EXTEEMIST OF THE NORTH DOT AGAINT PAKISTAN BUT EXREEMIST OF THE SOUTH ARE GADDARS AND THIS IS THE STATMENT OF THE GADDAR PAKISTAN [altaf] ON THE LAND WHERE THE BLOOD OF 5,000,000 SPILED, STILL SPLED. IF WE HAVE COMPARE EXREEMISM WHERE THESE GADDARS MUNAFQEENS QATIL PARTY STAND WHO OWN THIS STATMENT.
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KALI MATA [altaf] CALLING PAKISTAN BLUNDER
Ammar isb said:
dear amir....u said mr. khan is wrong about the existance of extremism in pakisan before the nine eleven. do u have any idea what extremism he was refering to. the statement came as an answer to a question that will pakistan become and extremist islamic state? this question was clearly showing its context.......and imran gave the answer in the same context........u pick the words and play with them......
@ shahid bhai......
everyone in pakistan knows that zia was american puppet and he was brought in to stop bhutto from making a huge muslim block against their rivals. i totally agree that zia accroding to a plan which was offcourse made on table with a mark "made in usa" uproared the conflicts among shias and sunnies in order to first create a situation and then control it prove himself as leader and fullfil his masters agenda of creating disturbance inside pakistan so that pakistanies will start thinking about themselves and will forget the muslim block.......
we fell in the trap and as we muslims are very touchy about our religion both shias and sunnies we started reacting .........would u call this extremism....even it was no planned by the extremists.......it was forced upon them......by someone else with a greater agenda.....
