The ban is just for brief moment that you have to show your face. The claim is very weak that they dont want to show face because of religious practice. How come covering complete face is a mandatory. Some show face, some dont.but at the time of identification and proclaiming your loyalities to a certain country, one must show face. simple as this. How you identify yourself when you dont show your face?
If Veil Is On,Citizenship Is Off ( Canada)
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Are Muslims really treated like Jews in World WarII?
TORONTO - A controversial Islamic cleric’s
comparison of Muslims in Canada being discriminated as Jews were in Nazi Germany
trivializes the Holocaust, a top Jewish service organization official charged
Wednesday.
After Immigration Minister Jason Kenney recently announced that Muslim women
must bare their faces for the citizenship oath, Imam Syed Soharwardy compared
requiring the removal of niqabs and burkas to oppression of Jews under Adolf
Hitler.
“Muslims are going through that situation,” Soharwardy, a Pakistan native,
told CTV Calgary.
“That was going on in Germany before the Holocaust, same thing is happening
now about Muslims,” he said. “This is absolutely an alarming situation.”
In a statement, Frank Dimant, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada, said “this type of
comparison is factually false ... acutely insensitive” for anyone who suffered
Nazi repression.
“In the past, we have noted cases of inappropriate use of Holocaust
trivialization to further positions on completely unrelated issues,” Dimant
said.
“Whether it is political or religious leaders, whoever uses such tactics is
unfortunately manipulating the history of Jewish suffering,” he said, calling
comparisons “morally objectionable.
“On the most basic level, Jews subject to the iron fist of Nazi Germany were
trapped in Europe,” Dimant said. “No country would accept them and they had no
homeland.
“Today, prospective Canadians of all religious persuasions have plenty of
options if they disagree with the customs and values of Canadian citizenship,”
he said.
Dimant said B’Nai Brith is calling “on all public figures to exercise
restraint in how they debate their political differences and to refrain from
resorting to Holocaust trivialization to make their case.”
During an appearance Monday on Sun TV’s The Source, Kenney said requiring
face recognition resulted from complaints that lawmakers, judges and citizens
could not determine if anyone with covered faces said the citizenship oath.
“We are all coming together as Canadians at that moment in a public ceremony
and — you know what? — if you don’t like it, if you feel uncomfortable, then
maybe you chose the wrong country,” he said.
“To segregate one group of Canadians or allow them to hide their faces, to hide their identity from us precisely when they are joining our community, is contrary to Canada’s proud commitment to openness and to social cohesion,” Kenney said.
He said the issue is not one of religion, but critics warn the ruling could
face a Charter challenge over religious freedom rights.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/14/imams-comparison-inappropriate-bnai-brith
TORONTO - A controversial Islamic cleric’s
comparison of Muslims in Canada being discriminated as Jews were in Nazi Germany
trivializes the Holocaust, a top Jewish service organization official charged
Wednesday.
After Immigration Minister Jason Kenney recently announced that Muslim women
must bare their faces for the citizenship oath, Imam Syed Soharwardy compared
requiring the removal of niqabs and burkas to oppression of Jews under Adolf
Hitler.
“Muslims are going through that situation,” Soharwardy, a Pakistan native,
told CTV Calgary.
“That was going on in Germany before the Holocaust, same thing is happening
now about Muslims,” he said. “This is absolutely an alarming situation.”
In a statement, Frank Dimant, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada, said “this type of
comparison is factually false ... acutely insensitive” for anyone who suffered
Nazi repression.
“In the past, we have noted cases of inappropriate use of Holocaust
trivialization to further positions on completely unrelated issues,” Dimant
said.
“Whether it is political or religious leaders, whoever uses such tactics is
unfortunately manipulating the history of Jewish suffering,” he said, calling
comparisons “morally objectionable.
“On the most basic level, Jews subject to the iron fist of Nazi Germany were
trapped in Europe,” Dimant said. “No country would accept them and they had no
homeland.
“Today, prospective Canadians of all religious persuasions have plenty of
options if they disagree with the customs and values of Canadian citizenship,”
he said.
Dimant said B’Nai Brith is calling “on all public figures to exercise
restraint in how they debate their political differences and to refrain from
resorting to Holocaust trivialization to make their case.”
During an appearance Monday on Sun TV’s The Source, Kenney said requiring
face recognition resulted from complaints that lawmakers, judges and citizens
could not determine if anyone with covered faces said the citizenship oath.
“We are all coming together as Canadians at that moment in a public ceremony
and — you know what? — if you don’t like it, if you feel uncomfortable, then
maybe you chose the wrong country,” he said.
“To segregate one group of Canadians or allow them to hide their faces, to hide their identity from us precisely when they are joining our community, is contrary to Canada’s proud commitment to openness and to social cohesion,” Kenney said.
He said the issue is not one of religion, but critics warn the ruling could
face a Charter challenge over religious freedom rights.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/14/imams-comparison-inappropriate-bnai-brith
awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
AIk non muslim country ke citizenship lenay mein koi takleef nahi per unkay laws follow kernay mein takleef hay.
Unkay nizaam-e-adl aur nizaam-e-maeeshat say bharpoor faiday uthanay hein per unkay zara say ikhtilaafi qanoon ko nahi maana.
Unki citizenship lay ker saari dunya mein bagheir visay ka dandanatay phirna hay per unki dee hui azaadi ka shuker guzaar nahi hona.
Europe kay double standards kay naaray lagana but would a non muslim woman in Saudi Arabia, Iran or most other Muslim countries be able to wear what she wants according to her beliefs?
NO.
Us per baat nahi kerni. Bas har jaga apna ra**di-rona rona hay.
Unkay nizaam-e-adl aur nizaam-e-maeeshat say bharpoor faiday uthanay hein per unkay zara say ikhtilaafi qanoon ko nahi maana.
Unki citizenship lay ker saari dunya mein bagheir visay ka dandanatay phirna hay per unki dee hui azaadi ka shuker guzaar nahi hona.
Europe kay double standards kay naaray lagana but would a non muslim woman in Saudi Arabia, Iran or most other Muslim countries be able to wear what she wants according to her beliefs?
NO.
Us per baat nahi kerni. Bas har jaga apna ra**di-rona rona hay.
Could anybody be so harsh and accurate at the sametime as you? I could not agree moreon last point your last point. Many women in Canada like Aqsa Parvais and recently Shafia girls were killed in Canada for not wearing dress that their fathers approved. People have time to post news if someone objects to wearing niqab for a short time. but no one bothers if someone is killed for not wearing them.
When Hilary Clinton visits a shrine in Pakistan she covers her head in respect, though for a brief period but a Muslim women cannot show her face for a brief period to get nationality of a Kafir country. That is a story of real double standard.
When Hilary Clinton visits a shrine in Pakistan she covers her head in respect, though for a brief period but a Muslim women cannot show her face for a brief period to get nationality of a Kafir country. That is a story of real double standard.
I cant say anything about Canada - coz I really dont care about Canada! lol. @awan4ever
Lekin in the US, I am personally say Americans do not typically care about who you are. Ye log MAST hain, apni he duniya may. When you approach them, they are nice. They will even help you if they can. I really have the nicest words for my countrymen. Ofcourse we have some black-sheeps too.
I'll share this funny incident with you'll. Months after 9-11, my mother and I were taking a walk outside in the neighbourhood, my brother drives by heading towards our home. While driving, he rolls in windows down and yells at mom and I - "Go back to your country!" lol . Now at that moment there was one property owner watering his yard, heard this and came to us and tried to comfort us that we are safe here. He was white. He was baffled by our laughter and then we told him that that dude my brother who was just pretending to b some racist white guy. Hearing this the guy cracked up too!
This is called "COMMUNITY" my friends. There for each other!
Lekin in the US, I am personally say Americans do not typically care about who you are. Ye log MAST hain, apni he duniya may. When you approach them, they are nice. They will even help you if they can. I really have the nicest words for my countrymen. Ofcourse we have some black-sheeps too.
I'll share this funny incident with you'll. Months after 9-11, my mother and I were taking a walk outside in the neighbourhood, my brother drives by heading towards our home. While driving, he rolls in windows down and yells at mom and I - "Go back to your country!" lol . Now at that moment there was one property owner watering his yard, heard this and came to us and tried to comfort us that we are safe here. He was white. He was baffled by our laughter and then we told him that that dude my brother who was just pretending to b some racist white guy. Hearing this the guy cracked up too!
This is called "COMMUNITY" my friends. There for each other!
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