I am proud to be a Pakistani . Because these are the reasons :

[nvra911]

I really don't like talking to proved Imbecile, and i don't like to tweet my own horn,

but to shut you up, minimum i have done, just my zakat is six figures. I have done a lot more physically, Not that you would believe me so your question was just as limited as your thinking.

That's a lot of pizza delivery and Taxis, for your limited imbecilic imagination because that's as far as you can think.

My avatarly challenged member. By the way you are number 3, so there is no hope for an Indian Imbecille like you.

Dude, come on you just made that up.

Anytime, anywhere, however which way, bring a documented proof that year on years it been six figures - and I will bring a proof how I'm a real and true son of Punjab, (Rawalpindi).

I've heard this statement, this exact statement, thrown out so many ways, that it's even lost it fake-ness (if that's possible).

I feel sad for you man. Sitting abroad and selling useless 'chooran' of patriotism and six figure zakat in a hope that people back home are still so simple that they'll buy it.

Dude if you were even making a six figure salary, you'd not waste time like an unemployed living on social security kind of person roaming forums. So please stop pretending.

What is your profession / business by the way that is earning you ($100,000 / 2.5%) = $4,000,000 a year? I hear you can look up someone fairly easily on this new thing called internet, so what do you get up to that makes you a sweet $4mil a year?

I'm sure other members on the forum would also love to know. (I doubt though that it's anything more than a brain-faart just like your patriotism 'chooran').

 

[modern.fakir]

NCSC wasnt mandatory BUT it was optional. You cant compare that to compulsory military service for the youth in several eastern european coountries and even lebanon if im not mistaken.

With the way things are in the subcontinent with planted terrorism in pakistan and the rap crisis in India it would help the general populace of both the countries if they were to learn some self defence and other protection techniques !:)

Mandatory military service happens in silly countries and its a silly idea. And it used to happen in Pakistan too, a while back. School kids were given exam score in exchange for getting trained to be a part of the reserves.

 

[modern.fakir]

Right (bigsmile) ...Your points are not totally wrong ...I mean ofcourse we'll take the greencards and go to the states if we had the opportunity too. BUT Then we will use the money there to build homes and businesses back home in Pakistan :lol::lol:

Whats wrong with that ?...what do you think were are .... stupid ??...who doesnt take advantage of opportunities up for grabs ??:lol:

Indians dont behave this way ?? ...Yeah right buddy !!!...I just put up a news yesterday on How after the US, Canada has also tightened their Visa regime for Indians because they were swarming the local markets in those countries like bees out of a hive. Here enlighten yourself by reading some Indian news which reflects reality rather than your myopic opinions based on your limited circles of either your or your dad's friends.

Canada follows US, makes work visa difficult


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-work-visa-difficult/articleshow/21797122.cms

Now, this is another load of crap that the americans, australians, british or anyone else doesnt behave this way ??

Then what the heck are all those countries doing in Afghanistan ?? [hilar][hilar]...Who invited them there ??...Heck we are more civilized as per your own words that we will "line up outside" there embassies like respectable people to get a visa to go to there countries BUT those so called civilized countries just "INVADE" countries and steal resources and that is not a "Hypocritic-virus" Mr. Sam Spudhead ??? [hilar][hilar][hilar]

...Pakistan is a different Ballgame !....They came in uninvited to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now syria with indians opening 14 consulates AFTER toppling a legitimate government there and that is perfectly fine by you ?/ [hilar][hilar][hilar]

Go and sell this useless banter somewhere else !!...Understand !....:lol:

Trust me dude, this is the wish of almost every single person in Pakistan - they only don't say it on their faces.

Thanks for telling the truth though.

The few, handle-full of few who wish to stay in Pakistan were the people who're born to rich families, belong to corrupt political system or who were lucky enough to be born in a family which made them education and some profession or who're cartel-employees of mafia's like the Pak Army, Railways or PIA etc.

I think these are less than 10% of the 190 million Pakistanis.

Rest of the 90% would just make an organised line in front of the US embassy if it declared free green-cards to any Pakistani who just wanted it.

However, you'll see every single internet-jihadi here claiming their love-till-death for Pakistan at the same time. Strange.

The same goes the other way around too. I have yet to see any Pakistani who gave up the life of settled developed world to come back to serve the people. The ones who come back only do so if they can't get settled here or they're offered higher-paid job in Pak or they want to make more money through politics etc. No single Pakistani I know in my circle and my dad's acquaintances, has ever come back for an altruistic service to the people of Pakistan.

Yet, if you talk to them, they'll make claims about their love for Pakistan while sitting abroad like anything.

I've never seen Indians, Americans, German, British or the Australians behave this way. Only Pakistani's have this hypocritic-virus of fake patriotism.

 

[nvra911]

...Now, this is another load of crap that the americans, australians, british or anyone else doesnt behave this way ??...Then what the heck are all those countries doing in Afghanistan ?? [hilar][hilar]...Who invited them there ??

...They came in uninvited to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now syria with indians opening 14 consulates AFTER toppling a [HI]legitimate government[/HI] there and that is perfectly fine by you ?/ [hilar][hilar][hilar]

The weak border between Afghanistan and Pak combined with 80s & 90s policies of Pak Army - means that this area is a breeding ground for terrorism. You are already seeing the fruits of that crop in form of terrorism in our own country. How can you deny this reality? In FATA today, terrorists attack our own Pak Army. Where are you sleeping? I don't know about other countries, but in Afghanistan, NATO forces came to dismantle Al-Qaeda and the Taliban who were hiding them in the name of 'guest-hosting tradition'. And dismantle they did. Where is Bin Laden right now?? Exactly.

I can't help but laugh at your comic remark of 'legitimate government'. In 1996, Taliban formed a so called govt. in Afghanistan with help of Pak Army in the name of strategic depth and through a civil war. Fact is that this govt. was only accepted by three countries in the world. Pak, Saudis and UAE, who were bank-rolling their on agendas - UAE and Saudis their sunni extremism and Pakistanis their strategic depth. Rest all of the world didn't legitimize Taliban govt. in Afghanistan in 1996. It was a continued civil war in reality, except for the Pashtun belt in eastern-southern Afghanistan which was in Taliban control. I mean have you forgotten that Taliban were unable to even touch the Panjsher valley or that how the Northern Alliance kicked the bottoms of Taliban so much later on that all of them came to Pak areas and hid here like babies and then started terrorism in Pak itself.

I wish you were a little more educated on recent history and didn't speak out of your knee jerk emotional reactions.

 

[modern.fakir]

And i wish that you weren't so naive in believing made-up stories by CNN or FOX news in lieu of actual ground realities to come up here and make a complete fool of yourselves !:)

The mujahideen have been around since the 80's 90's and all the way into the 2000's they never had any problems with Pakistan BEFORE AFGHANISTAN GOT INVADED ?? We are their sanctuary !!. It is ludicrus and the height of stupidity to blame Pakistan's current violence which is a result of CIA/Blackwater/ XE enterprise and RAW intelligence operations and NOT as a result of the Taliban.

Dude, Pakistan had not had ONE attack on its territory during the entire time that the Taliban regime was in power !- NOT ONE (bigsmile).. These terrorists attacking Pakistan and its army have already been apprehended with "Dragonic Tatoos" and CIA Head agents like Raymond Davis being caught several times .dresssed up and attacking Pakistani citizens and its army..Here watch this video and google these terms and you'll find several examples :lol::lol:

Can you tell me which Mujahideen in the world vying for 72 virgins has dragonic and masonic tatoos on there back ?? (bigsmile) Certainly not the Islamic Ones !!

Also the disgruntled youth found in some areas of FATA still have no contention with Pakistan BUT rather the CIA drones that target there loved ones !!(bigsmile)

In all of this the mujahideen had NOTHING to do with terrorism in Pakistan because :

1. Pakistan is a sanctuary for them

2. Pakistan did not invade their country. Nato and India did

3. Pakistan is not firing drones at them.

4. Pakistan has always been supportive of the Taliban regime.

5. Pakistan has 3 million afghan refugees including northern alliance afghans who live, work, marry and even travel on our passports.

I really cant help BUT Laugh at your childish drivel and cnn-cooked version of fake stories where the head doesnt match the tail end of the story and we have idiots like you who have probably never even been close to the area to tell us who live in Pakistan about what reality is [hilar][hilar]

As far as Afghan legitimacy goes this has NOTHING to do with why the rest of the world invaded them !...Simply because they were a weak nation on the surface with no army ?? ...Is that justification enough ??

Or the fact that they are next door neighbours to the ONLY muslim Nuclear power and hence provided an excellent platform for intelligence operations in Pakistan ?? :lol::lol:

Either way it was the most "UNCIVILISED, UNRULY And Barbaric act to commit" and proponents of such massacres have no moral authority to lecture other nations on why they form a line to get visas to other countries (bigsmile) - YOu dont even have those basic manners - so shut up !(bigsmile)

The weak border between Afghanistan and Pak combined with 80s & 90s policies of Pak Army - means that this area is a breeding ground for terrorism. You are already seeing the fruits of that crop in form of terrorism in our own country. How can you deny this reality? In FATA today, terrorists attack our own Pak Army. Where are you sleeping? I don't know about other countries, but in Afghanistan, NATO forces came to dismantle Al-Qaeda and the Taliban who were hiding them in the name of 'guest-hosting tradition'. And dismantle they did. Where is Bin Laden right now?? Exactly.

I can't help but laugh at your comic remark of 'legitimate government'. In 1996, Taliban formed a so called govt. in Afghanistan with help of Pak Army in the name of strategic depth and through a civil war. Fact is that this govt. was only accepted by three countries in the world. Pak, Saudis and UAE, who were bank-rolling their on agendas - UAE and Saudis their sunni extremism and Pakistanis their strategic depth. Rest all of the world didn't legitimize Taliban govt. in Afghanistan in 1996. It was a continued civil war in reality, except for the Pashtun belt in eastern-southern Afghanistan which was in Taliban control. I mean have you forgotten that Taliban were unable to even touch the Panjsher valley or that how the Northern Alliance kicked the bottoms of Taliban so much later on that all of them came to Pak areas and hid here like babies and then started terrorism in Pak itself.

I wish you were a little more educated on recent history and didn't speak out of your knee jerk emotional reactions.

 

[sjpti]

After "suffering" at the hands of being born a Pakistani; I promised myself that I would do whatever it takes to give MY child a better country than what my ancestors gave me. Let's see how well I overcome this Passport.


Aww.. I love you too my miserable Pakistani brethren. Together misery always loves company. We need to stand united. We are the condemned. Unable to break free of the shackles that our ancestors chose to bestow upon us. In the end our ancestors were also Pakistani after all. Like most things Pakistani their planning and running of a nation was just as Pakistani as Pakistan.

Even to this very day, there is not a single step in the right direction in Pakistan. We are in free fall. The ship is sinking. There is no hope even. The conspiracy theorists atleast have some psychological hope, I am not a conspiracy theorists. I am a religious person, per say; I perform my religious duties; however I do them because I am commanded to do them. I would rather have that other life the religion promises than what my ancestors promised.

Btw. You said you tolerated something. That's also an oxymoron. Pakistani and toleration. haha kyun mazak kertay ho? lol. Oh I forgot you are in NewYork!? Shucks man when I was in WashingtonDC I too was a proud Pakistani. hahaha.

Going by ur standard u mean that those who are living in pakistan are not proud pakistanis. Lame is the word that comes to mind but that does not do justice to ur comment. I think we have got us another islamabad blue area sikandar in the making MR bean better watch out. As for ur religion good for u that u r a practicing muslim so r we mostly.A practicing mulsim talking about no proud of ones mother land is totally unislamic .If ur motherland has failed to give u the status in life that u need this is not the fault of our motherland. this is the fault of pople who are at the helm of
Affairs. Elect good ,honest, capable leaders,by playing your part as a good pakistani. Then help those leader out in the best possible way with addiction to perform with honesty what ever u do and ur pakistan will be a place your children will be proud of if not u urself.

 

[lurker]

I have NO confidence in Pakistanis. Who can we elect? We are all useless people who absolutely suck at planning anything and execution. I mean the foundation of the country was on a religion. That in itself is the wrong foundation to begin with. Then Mohammad Ali Jinnah having all that controversy around him of "Is he secular or is he Islamic?", that is again atypical of how Pakistanis operate. You Can say he was the first Pakistani when there was NO Pakistani. Then the usual crop of leaders we've had. The usual crop of societies we have bred. What am I? A product of our society. I don't want to be part of this. I want to change myself because I cannot change my country. I once read a hadith where a man wanted to change himself, he was advised to change his ways and one of the primary factors was to change where you live. Move out.

I want to move out. But my misery doesn't end right there. Even moving out for a Pakistani is not easy. We have some of the highest rejection rate for Visas and various immigration. Once again owing to the fact that we are untrustworthy.

Hahaha your talk reminded me of our former Prime minister who said, "Why don't they leave? Who is stopping them?" lol.

Going by ur standard u mean that those who are living in pakistan are not proud pakistanis. Lame is the word that comes to mind but that does not do justice to ur comment. I think we have got us another islamabad blue area sikandar in the making MR bean better watch out. As for ur religion good for u that u r a practicing muslim so r we mostly.A practicing mulsim talking about no proud of ones mother land is totally unislamic .If ur motherland has failed to give u the status in life that u need this is not the fault of our motherland. this is the fault of pople who are at the helm of
Affairs. Elect good ,honest, capable leaders,by playing your part as a good pakistani. Then help those leader out in the best possible way with addiction to perform with honesty what ever u do and ur pakistan will be a place your children will be proud of if not u urself.

 

[modern.fakir]

Ofcourse ...secular democracy sucks and is a failed governance model. You have finally realised !!(bigsmile)

Oh and visa and immigration to other countries depends on what skills you have to offer that are needed in other countries ...if you dont have those particular skills then its tough !

Why blame pakistan when you decided what profession your going to go into ?? - You just need a punchbag to dislodge all your frustrations at and Pakistan is your best excuse !- Like gimme a break .. grow up and take a programming course and get the hell outta here !! ---- Oh and quit whining :lol::lol:

I have NO confidence in Pakistanis. Who can we elect? We are all useless people who absolutely suck at planning anything and execution. I mean the foundation of the country was on a religion. That in itself is the wrong foundation to begin with. Then Mohammad Ali Jinnah having all that controversy around him of "Is he secular or is he Islamic?", that is again atypical of how Pakistanis operate. You Can say he was the first Pakistani when there was NO Pakistani. Then the usual crop of leaders we've had. The usual crop of societies we have bred. What am I? A product of our society. I don't want to be part of this. I want to change myself because I cannot change my country. I once read a hadith where a man wanted to change himself, he was advised to change his ways and one of the primary factors was to change where you live. Move out.

I want to move out. But my misery doesn't end right there. Even moving out for a Pakistani is not easy. We have some of the highest rejection rate for Visas and various immigration. Once again owing to the fact that we are untrustworthy.

Hahaha your talk reminded me of our former Prime minister who said, "Why don't they leave? Who is stopping them?" lol.

 

[lurker]

Pakistani Islam sucks. Pakistani democracy Sucks. Pakistani Secularism sucks. Pakistani Khalifah would also suck. If it's Pakistani its no good. Unless its a leather product... lol. We need to find something we are good at, other than screw ups.

Or you can help me get a Visa and get my tush out of this hell hole. Away from Asia preferably. Need to get back to Washington.

Ofcourse ...secular democracy sucks and is a failed governance model. You have finally realised !!(bigsmile)

 

[modern.fakir]

Lurker, i think your personal situation maybe getting dire which is why you have nothing better but to spew hatred against Pakistan for no obvious reasons. If washington was so important and they loved you so much then why did they kick you out in the first place ??:)

Im not advocating against it BUT dude thats how it is. Your acting like a 50 year old. For god sake your ONLY 30. So get your *** off the computer and learn a new skill will you ??...Like how tough is it ?? ...get into medical like nursing or something and there's a huge demand for foreign nurses in the United States and they will even pay to get you there.

But make sure you enroll in a recognised college in Lahore. Now, i know that nursing is not your ideal desk job profession and its dirty and their's gonna be days when your going to hate what you do but, in the end you will be mobile as this profession and likewise many others like this are recession proof and VERY Immigrant friendly.

SO here's what you have to do Mr. Gaylord :lol:

1. Say the Kalimah

2. Let the weekend pass and in the meantime research some nursing programs

3. On monday visit those colleges and preferably sign up in a program with practical experience

4. Thank Allah by praying 5 times and then giving some sadaqa

5. Complete the program and get some experience

6. Apply to any country of your choice !

It will take time BUT sitting and whining is not the answer to your problems !!...are you gonna let this ruin you ?? ...Or you going to do something about this ??(bigsmile)

Pakistani Islam sucks. Pakistani democracy Sucks. Pakistani Secularism sucks. Pakistani Khalifah would also suck. If it's Pakistani its no good. Unless its a leather product... lol. We need to find something we are good at, other than screw ups.

Or you can help me get a Visa and get my tush out of this hell hole. Away from Asia preferably. Need to get back to Washington.

 

[modern.fakir]

Here i digged this up JUSST for you (bigsmile)....Now you can eat crap by uttering stuff you have no knowledge off. Please care to read the papers of the country you defend [hilar][hilar][hilar]

10 million Indians want to move to US: Poll

PTI | Mar 22, 2013, 11.55 AM IST

Potential migrants who would like to move to the US are logically the most likely to come from some of the most populous countries in the world, the Gallup poll said.


WASHINGTON: More than 100 million people from across the world, including 10 million from India, would like to move permanently to the US, which remains the most popular global destination, according to a latest opinion poll.

Potential migrants who would like to move to the US are logically the most likely to come from some of the most populous countries in the world, the Gallup poll said.

The poll said that 19 million Chinese would like to move to the US, followed by 13 million from Nigeria, 10 million from India and six million each from Brazil and Bangladesh.

However, other populous countries such as Iran and Pakistan do not have large groups of people who say that they would like to move to the US permanently.

Instead, Pakistanis most desire to relocate to Saudi Arabia and the UK, and Iranians would prefer to move to Jordan or Lebanon.

This is not surprising, as Iranians and Pakistanis have some of the lowest US leadership approval ratings in the world.

Gallup said the percentage of people in each country, who would like to move to the US permanently is perhaps more interesting.

A staggering 37 per cent of Liberians say that they would like to relocate to the US permanently.

One in four adults or more in Sierra Leone, the Dominican Republic, and Haiti would also like to move to the US permanently.

Three countries with the highest percentages of people who would like to relocate to the US permanently are in Africa, seven are in Central America and the Caribbean, with the remaining country, Cambodia, in Asia.

Gallup said about 13 per cent of the world's adults -- or about 630 million people -- say they would like to leave their country and move somewhere else permanently.

For roughly 138 million people, that somewhere else would be the US -- the number one desired destination for potential migrants, the poll said.

The UK, Canada, and France also rank among the top choices for potential migrants, it said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/10-million-Indians-want-to-move-to-US-Poll/articleshow/19123058.cms

The weak border between Afghanistan and Pak combined with 80s & 90s policies of Pak Army - means that this area is a breeding ground for terrorism. You are already seeing the fruits of that crop in form of terrorism in our own country. How can you deny this reality? In FATA today, terrorists attack our own Pak Army. Where are you sleeping? I don't know about other countries, but in Afghanistan, NATO forces came to dismantle Al-Qaeda and the Taliban who were hiding them in the name of 'guest-hosting tradition'. And dismantle they did. Where is Bin Laden right now?? Exactly.

I can't help but laugh at your comic remark of 'legitimate government'. In 1996, Taliban formed a so called govt. in Afghanistan with help of Pak Army in the name of strategic depth and through a civil war. Fact is that this govt. was only accepted by three countries in the world. Pak, Saudis and UAE, who were bank-rolling their on agendas - UAE and Saudis their sunni extremism and Pakistanis their strategic depth. Rest all of the world didn't legitimize Taliban govt. in Afghanistan in 1996. It was a continued civil war in reality, except for the Pashtun belt in eastern-southern Afghanistan which was in Taliban control. I mean have you forgotten that Taliban were unable to even touch the Panjsher valley or that how the Northern Alliance kicked the bottoms of Taliban so much later on that all of them came to Pak areas and hid here like babies and then started terrorism in Pak itself.

I wish you were a little more educated on recent history and didn't speak out of your knee jerk emotional reactions.

 

[nvra911]

...However, other populous countries such as Iran and Pakistan do not have large groups of people who say that they would like to move to the US permanently....

[hilar] [hilar] [hilar] [hilar]

 

[lurker]

Lurker, i think your personal situation maybe getting dire which is why you have nothing better but to spew hatred against Pakistan for no obvious reasons. If washington was so important and they loved you so much then why did they kick you out in the first place ??:)

Everything is done for a reason. My opinion is formulated because of several reasons of my own. Hatred? that's a strong word. I don't hate Pakistan or Pakistanis. I have come to accept who we are and how we are. These are our traits. If I say all Pakistanis suck that includes you and myself. I don't even segregate or discriminate. The extent of my segregation is between the have nots and have is. We have Not. The Pakistanis living abroad have.

And I wasn't kicked out, I left because my family couldn't come join in my ecstasy. :D And I had given my word that I will come back. I maybe Pakistani, but I have a habit of keeping up my promises.

Im not advocating against it BUT dude thats how it is. Your acting like a 50 year old. For god sake your ONLY 30. So get your *** off the computer and learn a new skill will you ??...Like how tough is it ?? ...get into medical like nursing or something and there's a huge demand for foreign nurses in the United States and they will even pay to get you there.

But make sure you enroll in a recognised college in Lahore. Now, i know that nursing is not your ideal desk job profession and its dirty and their's gonna be days when your going to hate what you do but, in the end you will be mobile as this profession and likewise many others like this are recession proof and VERY Immigrant friendly.

Thanks man. You are a good Pakistani. Even though you hate secularism. :D