There is no community in Pakistan which has not benefitted from creation of Pakistan , the top most beneficiary has been the pashtuns the next two communities to benefit most are the Urdu speakers and Punjabis , the less to benefit were original rural sindhis and some Baluch sections and least to benefit were Christians . The Christians flourished in another sense , their number is unexplainable except by migration via sialkot from Eastern Punjab . I have over the years found some Baluchis and Gilgit type area people most sceptical about joining Pakistan .
Islamabad has huge population of Christians and interestingly the biggest ones in expensive posh areas like F sectors are last one in the IHC list to remove being kachi a basis . Crime is rife in kachi abadis , youth are unemployed , female folks work and feed many families .Christians in Pakistan do not have good leaders . PPP used to be their favourite party . In some areas of Punjab ,they are in strength and indulge in quite a bit of badmashi .
But overall in my view Christians are a depressed community still . There are two issues here , one is that they belonged to the untouchable class as only they converted to christianity in India ,second they are considered from original prearyan stock of India . Till fifty years back a christian sanitary worker was quite dark , large lips ,wide nose and fish eyes , distinctly different , but now owing to unexplainable racial mixing or environment a large number is looking similar to local punjabi population . How is a mystery .All in our lifetime .
I have put this up as this is a worrying news item , we always had economic migrants feigning political asylum , now we have religious persecution as an alibi. Muslims in general are not fond of other religions nor should they be , they understand Christianity well minus Jesus as so called son of God . One problem is that poverty multiplies the feeling of persecution and adds to it , to look slightly different also adds to it . If I say that some Christians do face discrimination it is correct , My denying this would be falsehood .
The other day charged Christians burnt two muslim people alive and shehbaz government has done nothing .
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Pakistan Christians fleeing to Southeast Asia amid violence
LAHORE, Pakistan, July 13 (News Lens Pakistan) -- As violence worsens for Pakistan's Christians, more than 100,000 of them have fled to U.N. refugee camps in Thailand, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and the Philippines in the past several years, Lahore Bishop Alexander John Malik told News Lens Pakistan.
Pakistani Christians face discrimination and persecution by the state and fellow citizens. They are routinely accused of blasphemy and attacked or jailed. Their homes and churches are burned down. Christian girls are kidnapped and compelled to convert to Islam, then forcibly married.Christians, along with other religious minorities, find it nearly impossible to get justice from the state when they are harassed or discriminated against, Malik said.
It has not proved difficult for those with means to make their way to other Asian countries. Speaking in Urdu, the bishop added, "People get entry visas at the airports of Sri Lanka and Philippines. To acquire Thai and Malaysian visas isn't difficult. Moreover, traveling is also not very expensive."The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has said that the number of Pakistani asylum seekers arriving in Sri Lanka had jumped to over 1,400, up from 102 in 2012. Another 8,000 Pakistani refugees and asylum seekers -- those without official refugee status -- were in Thailand. These groups are mostly made up of Christians and Ahmadiyya Muslims, a minority sect within Islam.
Zeshan Pervaiz and his family are living in a UNHCR refugee camp in Bangkok. Originally from Gojra in Punjab, they left Pakistan three years ago after the Gojra Riots of 2009. In those attacks, dozens of homes and a church in a Christian community were set on fire after two men were accused of desecrating the Koran. Eight people died in the fires.
"I never thought of leaving my country before Gojra killings. Now, I am in Thailand with my family to seek asylum in any other country with a protected environment," Pervaiz told News Lens Pakistan in a phone interview.Younis Patras, 35, is trying to go abroad with his wife, two daughters and parents. He is worried about his family's future."I am trying to sell my parents' house in Lahore worth $15,000. All other documents are complete to seek refuge in Sri Lanka because we don't want to stay here anymore," he said.
Families like Patras's are not uncommon. Haroon Sulman is a Lahore-based lawyer helping Christians sell their property in preparation for filing asylum cases."Almost 100 families from cities like Gojra, Lahore and Kasur have used my services. They seemed to be in a hurry to leave and did not show reservations, even if they got a low price for their properties," he said, adding, "Many are now living in Sri Lanka, Thailand and Philippines."
Violence against religious minorities rose in the 1980s under military dictator Gen. Zia Ul Haq, said Peter Jacob, national secretary of the Multan-based National Commission for Justice and Peace. In an interview with News Lens Pakistan, Jacob said that under Zia's tenure, Pakistan's penal code was amended to include the death penalty for blasphemy.
"Gen. Zia nourished religious bigotry, discrimination toward other sects and religions. Since 1987, 1,300 people have been charged with blasphemy, and 182 Christians have been reported killed," Jacob said.
Christians are the third-largest faith community in Pakistan, after Muslims and Hindus, and the second-largest in Punjab province after Muslims, according to Lahore-based Kashif Nawab, former U.N. observer in Pakistan for minorities.
"There are more than 6 million Christians in Pakistan. Most of them have been extremely vulnerable to allegations of blasphemy. Now, people of this community are seeking sanctuary in U.N. refugee camps after selling their possessions for whatever they can get to leave as soon as possible," Nawab said.
Muslim religious leaders express little concern about the flight of Pakistan's Christians.
Raghib Naeemi is the head of Jamia Naeemia Madrassah and leader of the Sunni Itehad Council, a political party representing the interests of Pakistan's Sunni Muslims.He said people point at Pakistan for the way minorities are treated, "but they don't show any concern what is going against Muslims in India, Palestine, Myanmar and other parts of the world."
"We aren't against minorities, but we can't tolerate anybody to disrespect our religion or to commit blasphemy," Naeemi said.Pakistan's state minister for religious affairs, Muhammad Amin ul Hasnat Shah, sees the migration of Pakistani Christians as part of a bigger problem affecting all Pakistanis.
"It isn't the first time that minorities are trying to settle down abroad. Muslims who think of insecurity in Pakistan are also trying to acquire immigration in any developed country," he said. "The government is trying to resolve security concerns for all citizens, while we can't force anybody to stay in the country."
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Islamabad has huge population of Christians and interestingly the biggest ones in expensive posh areas like F sectors are last one in the IHC list to remove being kachi a basis . Crime is rife in kachi abadis , youth are unemployed , female folks work and feed many families .Christians in Pakistan do not have good leaders . PPP used to be their favourite party . In some areas of Punjab ,they are in strength and indulge in quite a bit of badmashi .
But overall in my view Christians are a depressed community still . There are two issues here , one is that they belonged to the untouchable class as only they converted to christianity in India ,second they are considered from original prearyan stock of India . Till fifty years back a christian sanitary worker was quite dark , large lips ,wide nose and fish eyes , distinctly different , but now owing to unexplainable racial mixing or environment a large number is looking similar to local punjabi population . How is a mystery .All in our lifetime .
I have put this up as this is a worrying news item , we always had economic migrants feigning political asylum , now we have religious persecution as an alibi. Muslims in general are not fond of other religions nor should they be , they understand Christianity well minus Jesus as so called son of God . One problem is that poverty multiplies the feeling of persecution and adds to it , to look slightly different also adds to it . If I say that some Christians do face discrimination it is correct , My denying this would be falsehood .
The other day charged Christians burnt two muslim people alive and shehbaz government has done nothing .
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Pakistan Christians fleeing to Southeast Asia amid violence
LAHORE, Pakistan, July 13 (News Lens Pakistan) -- As violence worsens for Pakistan's Christians, more than 100,000 of them have fled to U.N. refugee camps in Thailand, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and the Philippines in the past several years, Lahore Bishop Alexander John Malik told News Lens Pakistan.
Pakistani Christians face discrimination and persecution by the state and fellow citizens. They are routinely accused of blasphemy and attacked or jailed. Their homes and churches are burned down. Christian girls are kidnapped and compelled to convert to Islam, then forcibly married.Christians, along with other religious minorities, find it nearly impossible to get justice from the state when they are harassed or discriminated against, Malik said.
It has not proved difficult for those with means to make their way to other Asian countries. Speaking in Urdu, the bishop added, "People get entry visas at the airports of Sri Lanka and Philippines. To acquire Thai and Malaysian visas isn't difficult. Moreover, traveling is also not very expensive."The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has said that the number of Pakistani asylum seekers arriving in Sri Lanka had jumped to over 1,400, up from 102 in 2012. Another 8,000 Pakistani refugees and asylum seekers -- those without official refugee status -- were in Thailand. These groups are mostly made up of Christians and Ahmadiyya Muslims, a minority sect within Islam.
Zeshan Pervaiz and his family are living in a UNHCR refugee camp in Bangkok. Originally from Gojra in Punjab, they left Pakistan three years ago after the Gojra Riots of 2009. In those attacks, dozens of homes and a church in a Christian community were set on fire after two men were accused of desecrating the Koran. Eight people died in the fires.
"I never thought of leaving my country before Gojra killings. Now, I am in Thailand with my family to seek asylum in any other country with a protected environment," Pervaiz told News Lens Pakistan in a phone interview.Younis Patras, 35, is trying to go abroad with his wife, two daughters and parents. He is worried about his family's future."I am trying to sell my parents' house in Lahore worth $15,000. All other documents are complete to seek refuge in Sri Lanka because we don't want to stay here anymore," he said.
Families like Patras's are not uncommon. Haroon Sulman is a Lahore-based lawyer helping Christians sell their property in preparation for filing asylum cases."Almost 100 families from cities like Gojra, Lahore and Kasur have used my services. They seemed to be in a hurry to leave and did not show reservations, even if they got a low price for their properties," he said, adding, "Many are now living in Sri Lanka, Thailand and Philippines."
Violence against religious minorities rose in the 1980s under military dictator Gen. Zia Ul Haq, said Peter Jacob, national secretary of the Multan-based National Commission for Justice and Peace. In an interview with News Lens Pakistan, Jacob said that under Zia's tenure, Pakistan's penal code was amended to include the death penalty for blasphemy.
"Gen. Zia nourished religious bigotry, discrimination toward other sects and religions. Since 1987, 1,300 people have been charged with blasphemy, and 182 Christians have been reported killed," Jacob said.
Christians are the third-largest faith community in Pakistan, after Muslims and Hindus, and the second-largest in Punjab province after Muslims, according to Lahore-based Kashif Nawab, former U.N. observer in Pakistan for minorities.
"There are more than 6 million Christians in Pakistan. Most of them have been extremely vulnerable to allegations of blasphemy. Now, people of this community are seeking sanctuary in U.N. refugee camps after selling their possessions for whatever they can get to leave as soon as possible," Nawab said.
Muslim religious leaders express little concern about the flight of Pakistan's Christians.
Raghib Naeemi is the head of Jamia Naeemia Madrassah and leader of the Sunni Itehad Council, a political party representing the interests of Pakistan's Sunni Muslims.He said people point at Pakistan for the way minorities are treated, "but they don't show any concern what is going against Muslims in India, Palestine, Myanmar and other parts of the world."
"We aren't against minorities, but we can't tolerate anybody to disrespect our religion or to commit blasphemy," Naeemi said.Pakistan's state minister for religious affairs, Muhammad Amin ul Hasnat Shah, sees the migration of Pakistani Christians as part of a bigger problem affecting all Pakistanis.
"It isn't the first time that minorities are trying to settle down abroad. Muslims who think of insecurity in Pakistan are also trying to acquire immigration in any developed country," he said. "The government is trying to resolve security concerns for all citizens, while we can't force anybody to stay in the country."
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