Hamid Mir... exposing all...

[Nice2MU]

So you think Zaheer Abbas Khokhar was a good choice???

Be Stick to the discussion of Lotaism not to the ability of the candidate.

Why are people changing Jobs and different companies? Why are these Anchors and journalists changing Channels & Newspapers?

Did any body ask this anchor that how many newspapers and channels had he changed so far?

And by the why what is problem with Zaheen Abbas Khokhar?

 

[Just_one]

Salik, again, in your attempts to sound neutral, you are forwarding baseless arguments against PTI.

This is from your article:

In the first instance (NA 123), PTI fielded Hamid Meraj Din as their guy against Pervez Malik of the PML-N and veteran Jamaatiya, Hafiz Salman Butt. Hamid Meraj Din is the son of a prominent Arain politician, Mian Meraj Din, who also happens to own Crown Cinema. The reliance on a strong caste-affliated politician, hailing from a prominent Lahori family shows that PTI has learnt the rough mechanics of urban patronage.

The PP-160candidate, Zaheer Abbas Khokar is a more clear-cut case of relying on entrenched political personalities. As a member of the dominant Khokar clan of the fringe-Lahore (Raiwind, Thokar) region, the former PPP MNA was drafted because of the relationship he and his family have historically had with the electorate.

How these two candidates are lotas?

You may not like the "choice" of PTI candidates, but tell me how are these candidates lotas?

And yes we'll see which party ticket they will contest election next time around. But again, do you even know what lota refers to?

And for your information, Khokar actually defeated his rival in NA 160 by all independent estimates. There was massive rigging.

The point I am making is that you and Hamid Meer are implying that PTI in any way participated in politics of lotaism in Pakistan, which is a complete falsehood.

Your perception of candidates is one thing, accusing PTI of practicing lotaism is another.

 

[adnan_younus]

Abey yaar.. dimaag ki lassi hein ye PTI ke members U need some course on analysis.

U DONT ASK THE PUBLIC TO JOIN A PARTY. U GO TO A PARTY AND ASK THE PUBLIC WHETHER U ELECT ME FROM THIS PARTY OR NOT.

I havent read hamid mirs article as he is biased towards PML(N)... i only read one PTI guy saying the current situation in punjab cannot be called lotaism as narrated by imran khan.
If thats the case then i stand by my rhetoric that PTi are one confused lot;

And if IK thinks current punjab assembly thingie is lotaism i take my words back.

Imran khan fielding ex party members is not lotaism as they are going to public again ; who ever is saying that he is a lota needs to go for a checkup.

SIMPLZZZ

I can only show Sorrow and Grief over you stupidity and lack of Understanding of matter like your Coward Leader Musharaf. Actually you are in so Hurry that you don't read text properly and if you would read it, you don't try to understand it.

You also defined what is Lota and what is Lotaism, but still as this post come from a PTI supporter, you had so show you stupidity against my post...

I didn't called Qauid-e-Azam as a Lota but try to define the Lota & Lotaism in proper way. If we follow the way of Hamid Mir of Lotaism then every leader is a Lota including Z A Bhutto

Qauid-e-Azam was member of Congress first (in 1906) and then joined Muslim League (in 1913) but later he left Congress & permanently joined Muslim League..So he was the member of both parties from 1913 till 1916 (I guess)

So could you tell me when did Qauid-e-Azam ask from people about leaving Congress and joining Muslim League?

Did he fought election to join Muslim League? By the way honestly speaking I didn't read it in history that he had ask public to leave Congress & join Muslim League. Are you writing your own New "History"?

 

[Just_one]

U got me wrong again... loyalty changing etc is not lota... every politician has changed loyalty...

i say again

LOTA is: If u are an elected member and change loyalty without being elected again with the other party's manshoor.

Non LOTA: An unelected party member changes loyalty; an elected party members from assembly changes loyalty and gets elected again for teh other party ticket. After assembly is dissolved people moving to other party for money power what ever reason is still not a lota as he will have to go to public to get elected again

So both the candidates in question contested election on PTI's TICKET.

By your own definiton, they are not lotas.

If imran wants any member of parliament to join him and he leaves the party and joins PTI without resigning from his seat; he is a LOTA.

Yes he is a lota, but Imran has done no such thing.

There is a difference b/w coalition and Lotaism. If any party member disagrees with his party, leaves his party; he shud resign from assembly go to another party for ticket or run as an independent.

This is case with both PTI's candidates.

 

[Just_one]

Yes, he said that PMLN politics in Punjab is lotaism. He was defending PTI's chioce of candidates who were accused of lotaism by his opponents.

You should be able to take your words back.

Abey yaar.. dimaag ki lassi hein ye PTI ke members U need some course on analysis.

U DONT ASK THE PUBLIC TO JOIN A PARTY. U GO TO A PARTY AND ASK THE PUBLIC WHETHER U ELECT ME FROM THIS PARTY OR NOT.

I havent read hamid mirs article as he is biased towards PML(N)... i only read one PTI guy saying the current situation in punjab cannot be called lotaism as narrated by imran khan.
If thats the case then i stand by my rhetoric that PTi are one confused lot;

And if IK thinks current punjab assembly thingie is lotaism i take my words back.

SIMPLZZZ

 

[Nice2MU]

U got me wrong again... loyalty changing etc is not lota... every politician has changed loyalty...

i say again

LOTA is: If u are an elected member and change loyalty without being elected again with the other party's manshoor.

Non LOTA: An unelected party member changes loyalty; an elected party members from assembly changes loyalty and gets elected again for teh other party ticket. After assembly is dissolved people moving to other party for money power what ever reason is still not a lota as he will have to go to public to get elected again

Hope confused PTI members get it right this time ; i cant make it simpler

If imran wants any member of parliament to join him and he leaves the party and joins PTI without resigning from his seat; he is a LOTA. There is a difference b/w coalition and Lotaism. If any party member disagrees with his party, leaves his party; he shud resign from assembly go to another party for ticket or run as an independent.

Actually you are confused that why you can't make other understand..

Your and my definition of Lotaism are same but wording are different

Every Person has the right to change any party before election (non-Lota) but when he/she gets elected, he shouldn't change his/her party. If he/she does, this is call Lotaism and that person is called Lota..

But my question is to you and Salik that when PTI or Imran has ask any person (or LOTA) to join PTI for power/money/govt. etc. ?

As we know that every person, who joins PTI is a non-elected person, then why did this stupid Hamid Mir call them Lotas? No Elected person has joined PTI so far..(though Jamal Laghari wanted to join but PTI has refused due to Feudal background)

 

[adnan_younus]

Ok; I apologize for my lack of interest in hamid mirs article.

One of yr comments i concluded that punjab assembly dudes are not lotas. After seeing tjhe resposnes i ahev to say i misinterpreted the PTI guys and im happy to say hamid mir is still an idiot.

Imran khan has no lotas; all are going to public for votes.

I think Imran is not confused, rather you are a confused. First you have defined what Lota is i.e. any person who changes loyalty from Mother party to other party (in parliament) for money or power.


Had Imran being in Govt. or in Opposition in Parliament when the members of other parties were joining them.

If he would want to make the govt. and if for making govt, he would ask some member(s) of Parliament to join him, then you could call them Lotas. As this is not the case so you are Confused and trying to make other confuse..

 

[Nice2MU]

Abey yaar.. dimaag ki lassi hein ye PTI ke members U need some course on analysis.

U DONT ASK THE PUBLIC TO JOIN A PARTY. U GO TO A PARTY AND ASK THE PUBLIC WHETHER U ELECT ME FROM THIS PARTY OR NOT.

I havent read hamid mirs article as he is biased towards PML(N)... i only read one PTI guy saying the current situation in punjab cannot be called lotaism as narrated by imran khan.
If thats the case then i stand by my rhetoric that PTi are one confused lot;

And if IK thinks current punjab assembly thingie is lotaism i take my words back.

Imran khan fielding ex party members is not lotaism as they are going to public again ; who ever is saying that he is a lota needs to go for a checkup.

SIMPLZZZ

If you read the statement of Imran you would reaslise that whether he is confused or your are confused..

He has condemned Nawaz Sharif's act of Lotaism

 

[Salik]

If you are confused and trying to make me confused like Adnanvisa then there is no point of discussion.

Superiority complex???

The discussion is on Lotaism & not on candidate's ability.

Why are you trying to divert the topic.

Be Stick to Lota and Lotaism.

Both are related... A candidate changing parties looking at which one is on the rise is a lota... it doesnt matter if you find a loop hole in the constitution to defend what is going on in Punjab!!!

 

[Salik]

Salik, again, in your attempts to sound neutral, you are forwarding baseless arguments against PTI.

This is from your article:



How these two candidates are lotas?

You may not like the "choice" of PTI candidates, but tell me how are these candidates lotas?

And yes we'll see which party ticket they will contest election next time around. But again, do you even know what lota refers to?

And for your information, Khokar actually defeated his rival in NA 160 by all independent estimates. There was massive rigging.

The point I am making is that you and Hamid Meer are implying that PTI in any way participated in politics of lotaism in Pakistan, which is a complete falsehood.

Your perception of candidates is one thing, accusing PTI of practicing lotaism is another.

Try to come up with arguments rather than questioning my nutrality... I am not neutral everybody here knows that....

Could you please ponder upon the track record of Khokhar... He was in PPP then became a patriot... then a Q leaguer....and then a candidate for PTI... (which acc to you guys is progressing by leaps and bounds) Is this not the worship of rising sun??? What else do you called a lotaism??

And Mr Nice... there is a difference between changing your employer and your political affiliation... In political affiliation their are "ideologies" by which you should stand firm... while employment is a bit different.......

 

[Zameer Uddin]

According to Hamid Meer's definition of loota than what about Quaid-e-Azam , firstly he joined Congress and then Muslim League

 

[Just_one]

So you think Zaheer Abbas Khokhar was a good choice???

You are a dishonest person.

The issue is not your opinion on the choice of candidate. The issue is of Hamid Meer accusing PTI of lotaism which you supported.

Come clear on this.

 

[Just_one]

Superiority complex???



Both are related... A candidate changing parties looking at which one is on the rise is a lota... it doesnt matter if you find a loop hole in the constitution to defend what is going on in Punjab!!!

Changing parties is not lotaism. Now you are a being a "lota" as in dumb.

FYI, some people practice constitency politics. Their vision is restricted to the welfare of their halka. I lived in the concerned area for a time period and Zaheer Abbas is quite popular with the people there for doing a lot work. He is not a lota by any means.

Now in principle I think PTI should not field candidates who practice constituency politics and whose vision is restricted only to the welfare of their constituency. Maybe Zaheer Abbas has grown in stature as a politician after joining PTI, i don't know, but in principle I support PTI coming up with new educated faces.

And you will see that in general election PTI candidates would be easily distinguished from the rest. However, I believe getting support from constituency politics for a greater good is not necessarily wrong. Such politics is neither noble nor ignoble. It is innocuous.

 

[Just_one]

Try to come up with arguments rather than questioning me... I am not neutral everybody here knows that....

Could you please ponder upon the track record of Khokhar... He was in PPP then became a patriot... then a Q leaguer....and then a candidate for PTI... (which acc to you guys is progressing by leaps and bounds) Is this not the worship of rising sun??? What else do you called a lotaism??

And Mr Nice... there is a difference between changing your employer and your political affiliation... In political affiliation their are "ideologies" by which you should stand firm... while employment is a bit different.......

You do not know the ins and outs of politics.

Anyway, what worship of the "rising sun"? PTI was not in power during the by-elections nor is it in power now. Why would a corrupt person (and that goes with a lota) join an electorally weaker party and contest against a candidate who belongs to the ruling party?

Do you think Punjab government would have made his life anything short of hell if he was a corrupt person by opening up his files and persecuting him?

The ONLY charge they could come up with even in their election campaign was exactly this bogus charge of "lota".

Think about this.

 

[Saboo]

Poor lotays
Trying hard to keep you clean
and making them-selves dirty in the process
and yet no appreciation.

 

[aneeskhan]

Hamid mir descended of Mir jaffer/Mir sadique,is the most corrupt protaliban journalist,involved in very many assasinations,regular lifafa from raiwind,qandhar,he now came along with aitezaz to protect lotacracy,with help of biased protaliban judges.Those who claim shift of party by quid-e azam was from ruling party,although he was not legistative member,for any ministry or govt favour,as legistative one is bound to follow party till next election or resign to get fresh mandate against the party who gave ticket.This brainless ***** is hiring these journalists,& lawyers to protect his brainless act that is LOTAISM,that made him quid e LOTA of RAIWIND

 

[Salik]

You are a dishonest person.

The issue is not your opinion on the choice of candidate. The issue is of Hamid Meer accusing PTI of lotaism which you supported.

Come clear on this.

Am I being dishonest... Or you don't have the right answer.... so you are retreating towards the typical name calling response of the fan club...

It is the very lota candidate we are discussing here about whom Hamid mir raised a point...

 

[Salik]

You do not know the ins and outs of politics.

Anyway, what worship of the "rising sun"? PTI was not in power during the by-elections nor is it in power now. Why would a corrupt person (and that goes with a lota) join an electorally weaker party and contest against a candidate who belongs to the ruling party?

Do you think Punjab government would have made his life anything short of hell if he was a corrupt person by opening up his files and persecuting him?

The ONLY charge they could come up with even in their election campaign was exactly this bogus charge of "lota".

Think about this.

But you guys think that PTI is going to sweep the elections.... How many times I have read it here... May be the Lota was also under this pretense... By the way his political somersaults are enough to prove him as a lota...

اور تم لوگوں كو قائد اعظم كا تقابل اپنے لوٹے كے ساتھ كرنے پر شرم آنی چاھئے۔۔۔

And you will see that in general election PTI candidates would be easily distinguished from the rest. However, I believe getting support from constituency politics for a greater good is not necessarily wrong. Such politics is neither noble nor ignoble. It is innocuous.

I wonder how many "greater goods" we are yet to see... and in what forms...

 

[Salik]

Hamid mir descended of Mir jaffer/Mir sadique,is the most corrupt protaliban journalist,involved in very many assasinations,regular lifafa from raiwind,qandhar,he now came along with aitezaz to protect lotacracy,with help of biased protaliban judges.

Just because he is not supporting PTI??

 

[waqarawan]

No Just see the Heading of the Thread " Hamid Mir.... Exposing All...." Why did you use the world "Exposing All"? If Hamid is ignorant or pretended to be ignorant then why did you write such Title.

It is not the matter of intolerance, it is the matter of just blame and ignorance about Lotaism. If you would have knowledge of Lotaism, you wouldn't use "Exposed All".

I think the same might be True for MQM. I don't remember even MQM had been part of any Lotaism.

Lotaim Game is played mainly by PPP, PML ( N & Q) and Musharaf

Yes In MQM they do not play lota game because to be a lota You should be alive.