Then what is real conclusion of these verses, please be gracious to tell.sorry man, this is a totally bogus conclusion you just drew.
Then what is real conclusion of these verses, please be gracious to tell.
Your logic place is little bit narrow to understand the conveyed message.the burden of proof is on YOU SIR.
you were the one who presented this verse in favor of your argument.
In reply to your claims, I poked holes in your argument.
your turn please..
(Logic 101 dude!)
still waiting for a logical rebuttal to my cross-examination of your earlier claim.Your logic place is little bit narrow to understand the conveyed message.
still waiting for a logical rebuttal to my cross-examination of your earlier claim.
mind you, i can very well present the arguments in proper logical notation, in case you're interested.. i can use both classical (Aristotelian) or modern structures to formulate the problem..
and not to forget, may be there are smarter people on the forum who would be interested in our arguments...
@babadeena
The points you have raised are correct. However, you MUST understand that conflict is part of human nature and hence you can see not only the Shia Sunni and Wahabi divide but also further division between these three main sects. This has not just happened to Islam but to every religion and every civilization. So, expecting the whole world to be following 100% same stuff is not realistic. Even two brothers in the same house have different thoughts and follow slightly different paths. The most important thing to be a Muslim is believing in Allah(SWT) as the sole creator of this universe and in the finality of Prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH and His Holy Progeny) and believe in the Noble Quran. The other differences are regarding human beings / personalities so instead of asking Logical to provide you with logical explanations, its about time you start thinking rationally and come out of your perfect dream world mate.
I think the moment Shias or even Sunnis or anybody else will start accepting the GoldenUnity between Shia and Sunni can be possible, only and only, if Shia stop abusing Sahabah (RA) and Ummat-ul-Maumineen (RA) and start following Quraan and Sunnah ONLY.
The problem is that if you remove "hate, cursing Sahabah (RA) and others" from Shia religion, there is nothing left in it!
a) Identifying in other than the title which Allah(SWT) has granted to Believers is equal to not
obeying the Command of Allah.
b) Making Divisions/Sects/ is against the teaching of Islam and as per Quran, it is equal
to "making disbelief (Kufar) after belief(Imman);
c) The punishment is very severe.
d) Everyone who identify himself/herself other than the Muslim is in this grip without any exception.
@LOGICAL,
After my post (32), still waiting how much you are still LOGICAL.
In response you posted Al-Anaam 65 (which shows firqa-parasti as a form of Allah's Azab).Every firqa claims that we are on the right path. Every one says 'it is the OTHER SIDE ' that created firqa parasti.
so what's left to discuss is 'how the avoid exterminating those who you think are on the wrong path'..
I think the moment Shias or even Sunnis or anybody else will start accepting the Golden
Quranic principle that "Oh Our Lord, owners of the Sovereignty and Kingdom, you grants
kingdom to whom you will and you withdraw this kingdom from whom you will".
Shia's dillema is that they do not accept this concept and are of the view
that Imamiat had/has the sole right to govern. This was/is/is going to be the
Fundamental Difference of their, with all others.
sorry I might be getting confused here, but what do u mean to portray by using tht aayat? If Phiroun in a King and since Allah has given him tht post u think he is the right person for it? May b i m getting the wrong message here thats y i m asking.... The words "He(Allah) Grants Kingdom" what do u think this means?
Are we discussing right or wrong person for king. You wish to get rules from the
start of this universe when Pharon type people were there or from the day when
Allah said "Today I have completed your religion". From this day onward,
the verse I quoted apply. Now there was no automatically right of any
personality, dynasty, tribe, or caste to rule. That discretion is with Allah.
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