German ethics council calls for incest between siblings to be legalised by Government

KK YASIR

Minister (2k+ posts)
Germanys national ethics council has called for an end to the criminalization of incest between siblings after examining the case of a man who had four children with his sister.

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Patrick Stuebing, who was adopted as an infant and met his sister in his 20s, has launched several appeals since being imprisoned for incest in 2008 and his lengthy legal battle has prompted widespread public debate.

Sexual relations between siblings or between parents and their children are forbidden under section 173 of the German criminal code and offenders can face years in prison.

But on Wednesday, the German Ethics Council recommended the section be repealed, arguing that the risk of disability in children is not enough to
warrant the law and de-criminalising incest would not remove the huge social taboo around it.
The chairman of the council, Christiane Woopen, was among the 14 members voting in
favour of repealing section 173, while nine people voted for the ban to continue and two abstained.

A statement released on Wednesday said: Incest between siblings appears to be very rare in Western societies according to the available
data but
those affected describe how difficult their situation is in light of the threat of punishment.
They feel their fundamental freedoms have been violated and are forced into secrecy or to deny their love.

The Ethics Council has been told of cases where half-siblings did not grow up together and have only met in their adult lives.

Such was the case with Mr Stuebing, who was adopted at a young age and traced his birth family in his early 20s.
He and his sister Susan Karolewski, who were not brought up together, met for the first time when they were aged 24 and 16 respectively.

He was convicted of incest in 2008 and spent three years in prison, failing an appeal to the Federal Constitutional Court in 2008 and to the European Court of Human Rights over his rights to a family life in 2012.

Ms Karolewski was allowed to keep custody of their youngest child but the other three were taken into care. Two are disabled, although it is not known whether incest is the cause.

In a statement outlining its recommendations, the Ethics Council said the law against incest put couples in a tragic situation.

The majority of the German Ethics Council is of the opinion that it is not appropriate for a criminal law to preserve a social taboo, it added.

In the case of consensual incest among adult siblings, neither the fear of negative consequences for the family , nor the possibility of the birth of children from such incestuous relationships can justify a criminal prohibition.

The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination has more weight in such cases than the abstract protection of the family.

Members objecting to decriminalising incest argued that it would weaken ethically significant family values that contribute towards personal development.

A spokeswoman for Angela Merkel's CDU party, Elisabeth Winkelmeier-Becker, responded to the Ethics Council's vote saying that the abolition of the law against incest would give out the wrong signal.

Abolishing criminal punishment against incestuous actions within a family would go completely against protecting the undisturbed development of children, she told Deutsche Welle.

The Ethics Councils recommendation only covered incest between siblings and members did not recommend decriminalizing sex between parents and children.




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wamufti

Senator (1k+ posts)
This is what happens when you follow man made laws. Deen in all honesty defines the boundries in which all can live in harmony. may Allah SWT protect us and guide us to righteousness. Ameen
 

TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
One of the things which might create problem is that these countries regard marriage between first cousins as incest.
 

aping4

Senator (1k+ posts)
Yeah PTI must support this as its not much different then Homo issue.

PTI ko chahiye ha k wo bhi is ki support keray. kion k ye bhi insaani haqooq ki bat hai.
sharam karo PTI tum tu PPP ki b team nikali balkay us say bhi agay...
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اسلام کے سوا نجات کہاں ممکن ہے

نور ہدایت سے جب تک اعراض کرتے رہیں گے
لوگ اسی طرح بھٹکتے سسکتے اور برباد ہوتے رہینگے

نور ہدایت
قرآن و حدیث کا نام ہے
اور قران و حدیث کو اسی طرح سمجھنے کا نام ہے
جس طرح قرون اولی کے ہمارے اسلاف نے سمجھا اور عمل کیا

فقط قران کی رٹ لگانے والے بھی آجکل ہم جنس پرستی کے قائل اور شاید فاعل ہیں

اللہ ہمارے دلوں کو ہدایت کے نور سے بھر دے
اور زندگی کو قران و سنت کے ساۓ تلے گزارنے کی توفیق عطا فرماۓ
 

khandimagi

Minister (2k+ posts)
اسلام کے سوا نجات کہاں ممکن ہے

نور ہدایت سے جب تک اعراض کرتے رہیں گے
لوگ اسی طرح بھٹکتے سسکتے اور برباد ہوتے رہینگے

نور ہدایت
قرآن و حدیث کا نام ہے
اور قران و حدیث کو اسی طرح سمجھنے کا نام ہے
جس طرح قرون اولی کے ہمارے اسلاف نے سمجھا اور عمل کیا

فقط قران کی رٹ لگانے والے بھی آجکل ہم جنس پرستی کے قائل اور شاید فاعل ہیں

اللہ ہمارے دلوں کو ہدایت کے نور سے بھر دے
اور زندگی کو قران و سنت کے ساۓ تلے گزارنے کی توفیق عطا فرماۓ

بولنے سے پہلے سو دفعہ ،،اور لکھنے سے پہلے ہزار دفعہ سوچ لینا چاہئے کہ منہ یا قلم سے کیا نکل رہا ہے
آپ اپنے اس جملہ کے تحت اس بات پر تو پختہ یقین رکھتے ہیں کہ،آجکل قران کے رٹ لگانے والے ہم جنس پرستی کے قائل ہیں
اور فاعل اور مفعول ہونے کے بارے میں مشکوک ہونے کی وجہ سے،،شائد ،،کا لفظ استعمال کررہے ہیں
آپ دوست ہیں،،اس لئے آپ سے گذارش ہے کہ اس پوسٹ کو ڈلیٹ کریں،،،،اور فوراً اللہ رب رحیم سے معافی کے طلبگار ہوں
 

coolpashtoon

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I know some places in India they marry dogs. The question is do they get a marriage certificate? And is it accepted by the constitution in India?
 

Eigle

Senator (1k+ posts)
Yeah PTI must support this as its not much different then Homo issue.

PTI ko chahiye ha k wo bhi is ki support keray. kion k ye bhi insaani haqooq ki bat hai.
sharam karo PTI tum tu PPP ki b team nikali balkay us say bhi agay...

???? Allah sa daroo.
Tuhmat lagana brra Gunah haa.
 

Sachbolo

Senator (1k+ posts)
West and Western Europe specifically is doomed they are acting on the whisper of their Lord the "Shaitan al Rajim"
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

بولنے سے پہلے سو دفعہ ،،اور لکھنے سے پہلے ہزار دفعہ سوچ لینا چاہئے کہ منہ یا قلم سے کیا نکل رہا ہے
آپ اپنے اس جملہ کے تحت اس بات پر تو پختہ یقین رکھتے ہیں کہ،آجکل قران کے رٹ لگانے والے ہم جنس پرستی کے قائل ہیں
اور فاعل اور مفعول ہونے کے بارے میں مشکوک ہونے کی وجہ سے،،شائد ،،کا لفظ استعمال کررہے ہیں
آپ دوست ہیں،،اس لئے آپ سے گذارش ہے کہ اس پوسٹ کو ڈلیٹ کریں،،،،اور فوراً اللہ رب رحیم سے معافی کے طلبگار ہوں

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