George Galloway on Syria - MUST SEE
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It's interesting that when we were saying that this so-called revolution in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt is stupid and wrong, Iranians were content, happy and calling it an "Islamic Awakening" :13:
Now, when people in Libya are destroying Mausoleums, they are complaining, when the President of Egypt is cursing Iran's ally in Iran, they are upset and now, when this so called "spring" has come to Syria, they are complaining just because their hegemony is at stake.
Wish they didn't always jump the gun on everything that takes place in the world, didn't base their decisions on emotions and were slightly more logical and patient.
Wish they had listened to us but now, it turns out that their "sectarian divisiveness" has served to divide the entire region rather than "unite" it - something they claim to have been working for, laboriously.
Now, when people in Libya are destroying Mausoleums, they are complaining, when the President of Egypt is cursing Iran's ally in Iran, they are upset and now, when this so called "spring" has come to Syria, they are complaining just because their hegemony is at stake.
Wish they didn't always jump the gun on everything that takes place in the world, didn't base their decisions on emotions and were slightly more logical and patient.
Wish they had listened to us but now, it turns out that their "sectarian divisiveness" has served to divide the entire region rather than "unite" it - something they claim to have been working for, laboriously.
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How do they explain this fact?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar
Arar's rendition
On September 26, 2002, during a stopover in New York City en route from a family vacation in Tunisia to Montreal, Arar was detained by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service(INS). The INS was acting upon information supplied by the RCMP.[SUP][30][/SUP] When it became clear he was going to be deported, Arar requested he be deported to Canada; though he had not visited Syria since his move to Canada, he retained Syrian citizenship as Syria does not permit the renunciation of citizenship. Canadian (initially) and United States officials have labelled his transfer to Syria as a deportation, but critics have called the removal an example of rendition for torture by proxy, as the Syrian government is infamous for its torture of detainees. Despite the recent public rhetoric, at the time of Arar's deportation, Syria was working closely with the United States government in their "War on Terror". In November 2003, Cofer Black, then counterterrorism coordinator at the US State Department and former director of counterterrorism at the CIA, was quoted as saying "The Syrian government has provided some very useful assistance on al Qaeda in the past."[SUP][31][/SUP] In September 2002, the George W. Bush administration opposed the enactment of the "Syria Accountability Act" citing effectiveness of current sanctions and the ongoing diplomacy in the region. In addition, the administration noted the cooperation and support by Syria in fighting al-Qaida as a reason for its opposition to the "Syria Accountability Act".[SUP][32][/SUP]
US interrogation
US officials repeatedly questioned Arar about his connection to certain members of al-Qaeda. His interrogators also claimed that Arar was an associate of Abdullah Almalki, the Syrian-bornOttawa man whom they suspected of having links to al-Qaeda, and they therefore suspected Arar of being an al-Qaeda member himself. When Arar protested that he only had a casual relationship with Almalki, having once worked with Almalki's brother at an Ottawa high-tech firm, the officials produced a copy of Arar's 1997 rental lease which Almalki had co-signed. The fact that US officials had a Canadian document in their possession was later widely interpreted as evidence of the participation by Canadian authorities in Arar's detention.
Arar's requests for a lawyer were dismissed on the basis that he was not a US citizen, therefore he did not have the right to receive counsel. Despite his denials, he remained in US custody for two weeks and eventually was put on a small jet which first landed in Washington, D.C. and then in Amman, Jordan.
Arar's imprisonment in Syria
Once in Amman, Arar claims he was blindfolded, shackled and put in a van. “They made me bend my head down in the back seat,” Mr. Arar recalled. “Then these men started beating me. Every time I tried to talk, they beat me."
Arar was transferred to a prison, where he claims he was beaten for several hours and forced to falsely confess that he had attended an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. “I was willing to do anything to stop the torture,” he says.
Arar described his cell as a three-foot by six-foot “grave” with no light and plenty of rats. During the more than 10 months he was imprisoned and held in solitary confinement, he was beaten regularly with shredded cables.[SUP][33][/SUP] Through the walls of his cell, Arar could hear the screams of other prisoners who were also being tortured. The Syrian government shared the results of its investigation with the United States.[SUP][7][/SUP] Arar believes that his torturers were given a dossier of specific questions by United States interrogators, noting that he was asked identical questions both in the United States and in Syria.[SUP][34][/SUP]
While he had been imprisoned, Arar's wife Monia Mazigh had been conducting an active campaign in Canada to secure his release. Upon his release in October 2003, Syria announced they could find no terrorist links.[SUP][35][/SUP] Syrian official Imad Moustapha stated that "We tried to find anything. We couldn’t".
Arar's return to Canada
Arar was released on October 5, 2003, 374 days after his removal to Syria. He returned to Canada, reuniting with his wife and children. The couple moved to Kamloops, in British Columbia, where his wife Monia accepted a job as professor at Thompson Rivers University.[SUP][36][/SUP] The couple later moved back to Ottawa. Back in Canada, Arar claimed that he had been tortured in Syria and sought to clear his name, embarking on legal challenges both in Canada and in the United States as well as a public education campaign. Arar received a Ph.D. in electrical engineering from theUniversity of Ottawa in 2010.[SUP][37]
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More on Democracy now:
[/SUP]http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/13/maher_arar_my_rendition_torture_in
MAHER ARAR: Well, let me emphasize here, my case is probably unique in the sense that I was the only Syrian-born Canadian who was sent or renditioned to Syria from U.S. soil. But let me be clear here, there were many victims of rendition of Syrian origin who actually were rendered from Pakistan and other places to Syria. Now, why the — and let me also say that when the American government sent me to Syria, they knew exactly what they were doing. In fact, I can vividly remember what an ex-CIA agent said around 2004 about the rendition program. He basically something said like — if I remember correctly, his is name is Robert Baer. He said, "If you want people to be well interrogated, you send them to Jordan. If you want people to be disappeared, you send them to Egypt. And if you want people to be tortured, you send them to Syria." And that’s exactly what ended up happening. So what this basically says is that whoever took the decision to send me to Syria, they knew, or they basically wanted me to be tortured in order to extract information, what we call today "torture by proxy."
AMY GOODMAN: That was Robert Baer, the ex-CIA agent. So, what do you think this means about the U.S. relationship with Syria today, how much sway the U.S. has, what the U.S. should be doing right now? We just got reports from Damascus and from the border, Amnesty describing this as a scorched earth policy against — well, against the Syrian government’s own people, that the Syrian government, that Bashar al-Assad, is engaging in right now.
MAHER ARAR: Well, the U.S. government has a huge responsibility for a simple reason. The cooperation with the Syrian government, as well as other dictatorships in the Middle East post-9/11, gave some kind of legitimacy to those dictatorships. And it is now — the prime responsibility of the U.S. government is to put the pressure on the Syrian government.
For instance, two things that the U.S. government can do right now. First of all, they have to declare this regime to be illegitimate, and they have forfeited their right to rule. Second, I think they have to press — and we’re here in Canada doing this, I mean, human rights activists and myself are actually pushing our government here to take a lead to refer this matter to the International Criminal Court.
Right now, the international community, including the U.S., is using very soft language, in my opinion. And imposing sanctions on some elements within the regime will not put much pressure. I think what needs to be done right now is to declare this regime to be illegitimate and also to refer this matter to the International Criminal Court as soon as possible. And that, in my opinion, will make a huge difference in terms of putting pressure on the regime.
AMY GOODMAN: Maher Arar, I want to thank you very much for being with us. Again, he was the victim of U.S. extraordinary rendition. He was seized at Kennedy Airport, sent to Syria in 2002, where he was held in a tiny underground cell for almost a year. He was tortured, physically, psychologically. Ultimately, the Canadian government awarded him more than $10 million. He now continues to live in Canada with his family. His wife ran for public office, where Maher Arar is a human rights advocate today.
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Just dig in on the Iran contra scandal and the Israeli support for Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, Iranis helping Israel blow up the Iraqi reactor at Osirak and then the tacit support of Iran to the American cause in Iraq and Afghansitan, to see this is international Noora Kushti....Some countries are good at hiding it other not so much...
Book on Irani-Israeli-American dealings:Treacherous Alliance the Se,cret dealing of Israel,Iran and the United states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar
Arar's rendition
On September 26, 2002, during a stopover in New York City en route from a family vacation in Tunisia to Montreal, Arar was detained by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service(INS). The INS was acting upon information supplied by the RCMP.[SUP][30][/SUP] When it became clear he was going to be deported, Arar requested he be deported to Canada; though he had not visited Syria since his move to Canada, he retained Syrian citizenship as Syria does not permit the renunciation of citizenship. Canadian (initially) and United States officials have labelled his transfer to Syria as a deportation, but critics have called the removal an example of rendition for torture by proxy, as the Syrian government is infamous for its torture of detainees. Despite the recent public rhetoric, at the time of Arar's deportation, Syria was working closely with the United States government in their "War on Terror". In November 2003, Cofer Black, then counterterrorism coordinator at the US State Department and former director of counterterrorism at the CIA, was quoted as saying "The Syrian government has provided some very useful assistance on al Qaeda in the past."[SUP][31][/SUP] In September 2002, the George W. Bush administration opposed the enactment of the "Syria Accountability Act" citing effectiveness of current sanctions and the ongoing diplomacy in the region. In addition, the administration noted the cooperation and support by Syria in fighting al-Qaida as a reason for its opposition to the "Syria Accountability Act".[SUP][32][/SUP]
US interrogation
US officials repeatedly questioned Arar about his connection to certain members of al-Qaeda. His interrogators also claimed that Arar was an associate of Abdullah Almalki, the Syrian-bornOttawa man whom they suspected of having links to al-Qaeda, and they therefore suspected Arar of being an al-Qaeda member himself. When Arar protested that he only had a casual relationship with Almalki, having once worked with Almalki's brother at an Ottawa high-tech firm, the officials produced a copy of Arar's 1997 rental lease which Almalki had co-signed. The fact that US officials had a Canadian document in their possession was later widely interpreted as evidence of the participation by Canadian authorities in Arar's detention.
Arar's requests for a lawyer were dismissed on the basis that he was not a US citizen, therefore he did not have the right to receive counsel. Despite his denials, he remained in US custody for two weeks and eventually was put on a small jet which first landed in Washington, D.C. and then in Amman, Jordan.
Arar's imprisonment in Syria
Once in Amman, Arar claims he was blindfolded, shackled and put in a van. “They made me bend my head down in the back seat,” Mr. Arar recalled. “Then these men started beating me. Every time I tried to talk, they beat me."
Arar was transferred to a prison, where he claims he was beaten for several hours and forced to falsely confess that he had attended an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. “I was willing to do anything to stop the torture,” he says.
Arar described his cell as a three-foot by six-foot “grave” with no light and plenty of rats. During the more than 10 months he was imprisoned and held in solitary confinement, he was beaten regularly with shredded cables.[SUP][33][/SUP] Through the walls of his cell, Arar could hear the screams of other prisoners who were also being tortured. The Syrian government shared the results of its investigation with the United States.[SUP][7][/SUP] Arar believes that his torturers were given a dossier of specific questions by United States interrogators, noting that he was asked identical questions both in the United States and in Syria.[SUP][34][/SUP]
While he had been imprisoned, Arar's wife Monia Mazigh had been conducting an active campaign in Canada to secure his release. Upon his release in October 2003, Syria announced they could find no terrorist links.[SUP][35][/SUP] Syrian official Imad Moustapha stated that "We tried to find anything. We couldn’t".
Arar's return to Canada
Arar was released on October 5, 2003, 374 days after his removal to Syria. He returned to Canada, reuniting with his wife and children. The couple moved to Kamloops, in British Columbia, where his wife Monia accepted a job as professor at Thompson Rivers University.[SUP][36][/SUP] The couple later moved back to Ottawa. Back in Canada, Arar claimed that he had been tortured in Syria and sought to clear his name, embarking on legal challenges both in Canada and in the United States as well as a public education campaign. Arar received a Ph.D. in electrical engineering from theUniversity of Ottawa in 2010.[SUP][37]
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[SUP]
More on Democracy now:
[/SUP]http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/13/maher_arar_my_rendition_torture_in
MAHER ARAR: Well, let me emphasize here, my case is probably unique in the sense that I was the only Syrian-born Canadian who was sent or renditioned to Syria from U.S. soil. But let me be clear here, there were many victims of rendition of Syrian origin who actually were rendered from Pakistan and other places to Syria. Now, why the — and let me also say that when the American government sent me to Syria, they knew exactly what they were doing. In fact, I can vividly remember what an ex-CIA agent said around 2004 about the rendition program. He basically something said like — if I remember correctly, his is name is Robert Baer. He said, "If you want people to be well interrogated, you send them to Jordan. If you want people to be disappeared, you send them to Egypt. And if you want people to be tortured, you send them to Syria." And that’s exactly what ended up happening. So what this basically says is that whoever took the decision to send me to Syria, they knew, or they basically wanted me to be tortured in order to extract information, what we call today "torture by proxy."
AMY GOODMAN: That was Robert Baer, the ex-CIA agent. So, what do you think this means about the U.S. relationship with Syria today, how much sway the U.S. has, what the U.S. should be doing right now? We just got reports from Damascus and from the border, Amnesty describing this as a scorched earth policy against — well, against the Syrian government’s own people, that the Syrian government, that Bashar al-Assad, is engaging in right now.
MAHER ARAR: Well, the U.S. government has a huge responsibility for a simple reason. The cooperation with the Syrian government, as well as other dictatorships in the Middle East post-9/11, gave some kind of legitimacy to those dictatorships. And it is now — the prime responsibility of the U.S. government is to put the pressure on the Syrian government.
For instance, two things that the U.S. government can do right now. First of all, they have to declare this regime to be illegitimate, and they have forfeited their right to rule. Second, I think they have to press — and we’re here in Canada doing this, I mean, human rights activists and myself are actually pushing our government here to take a lead to refer this matter to the International Criminal Court.
Right now, the international community, including the U.S., is using very soft language, in my opinion. And imposing sanctions on some elements within the regime will not put much pressure. I think what needs to be done right now is to declare this regime to be illegitimate and also to refer this matter to the International Criminal Court as soon as possible. And that, in my opinion, will make a huge difference in terms of putting pressure on the regime.
AMY GOODMAN: Maher Arar, I want to thank you very much for being with us. Again, he was the victim of U.S. extraordinary rendition. He was seized at Kennedy Airport, sent to Syria in 2002, where he was held in a tiny underground cell for almost a year. He was tortured, physically, psychologically. Ultimately, the Canadian government awarded him more than $10 million. He now continues to live in Canada with his family. His wife ran for public office, where Maher Arar is a human rights advocate today.
<font color="#333333"><span style="font-family: Arial">
Just dig in on the Iran contra scandal and the Israeli support for Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, Iranis helping Israel blow up the Iraqi reactor at Osirak and then the tacit support of Iran to the American cause in Iraq and Afghansitan, to see this is international Noora Kushti....Some countries are good at hiding it other not so much...
Book on Irani-Israeli-American dealings:Treacherous Alliance the Se,cret dealing of Israel,Iran and the United states.
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gotti
Guest
Amma, aapnay [MENTION=26526]zhohaq[/MENTION] sahab ka jawab to parh hi liya hoga syria aur uski amreeka say "dushmani" kay mutaaliq
jahan tak taaluq aapkay ilzaamat ka hai to main har jagah kisi bhi raah chaltay huay shakhs kay ilzaamon kay jawabaat nahi day sakta aur na hi wazahat ker sakta hun...
Aapnay mujhe taasubi ya wahabbi ya nasibi ya jo bhi kehna hai keh lijiye, hum aapko na hi rok saktay hain aur na hi rokain gay
hum to aapko ashaab wa azwaaj e rasul (s.a.w) per tuhmatain laganay say nahi rok saktay...apna kiya khaak difa keraingay?
aur agar muhazzab zabaan istemal keraingi to koi harj nahi hoga, gaali galoch ker kerkay aadat si hi bana li hai aap logon nay iss qism ki zabaan istemaal kernay ki
Jahan tak taaluq hai syasat ka to yeh baat tay hai kay aap log nihayet hi na ahel hain iss maamlay main, bharat ki tarah
aap log pehlay theek thay Pakistan kay maamlay main jab Pakistan ko sabse pehlay qabula,
phir Ayub Khan kay time per jab humari madad ki aur 1971 main bhi humaray tayyaron ko apnay paas rakha
aur Oman per bhi qabza kernay ka jab iraada tha, gwadar khareednay kay baad to Shah humaray saath thay laikin hum ruk gaye kay Arab kharray ho jaingay
aur Shah humaray saath thay Saddam kay khilaaf aur Khomeni kay zamanay main bhi humara interest milta tha Saddam kay khilaaf
uskay baad Zia ul Haq kay daur main jo harkaat farmayien mausuf nai aur Afghanistan kay maslay per bhi himaaqat ki unhon nay, aap khud iss baat say agaah hongi
Zia ul Haq kay baad humse technology bhi li, Aslam Beg kay zarye laikin humara naam tak na istemaal kiya,
Saddam nay jahalat aur intehapasandi ki had tak Arab qaum parasti main inkaar kiya humse madad laynay main...uski marzi
Humara sainsdaan aapki khaatir badnaam hua laikin aapko koi farq na parra aur apni "qaumi ghairat" ki aarh main kaha kay humara (yaani Pakistaniyo) ka koi taaluq nahi tha technology say
Humnay jab Rigi ko pakarwaya aur uskay bhai ko jo kay Pakistani bashinday thay...aapnay humain koi credit nahi diya...aapnay kaha kay humnay Wahhabi/Pakistani aur Saudi ko shikast day di
Humain aapnay dhamkaya fauj border per bhej ker jab yeh baat hui kay Afghanistan per qabza kiska hoga jo kay tay hai kay Pakistan ka hoga aur aik tabqa humaray mulk kay "think tanks" ka Afghanistan ko Pakistan ka hissa maanta hai "Afghania" kay soobay ki shakal main
Ab jahan tak taaluq mera ya meray agenday ka hai to yeh baat tay hai kay Pakistan mera interest hai aur ab jiss tarah maloom parta hai kay woh China kay saath jurr chuka hai...
Aapnay cheen ko yun istemaal kiya hai kay jaisay woh aapkay her faislay main saath hai...
aapko shayad ilm hoga kay haal hi main Israeli fauj (IDF) kay leaderaan PLA kay leaderaan say milay hain aur Cheen kay bhi fauji leaderaan unsay milnay gaye jab yeh behes chirri kay China ko kya faida hoga agar Israel Iran kay tail (oil) refineries per hamla kerday...
Haan, cheen aapkay saath hay woh bhi sirf "dushman ka dushman dost" walay falsafay kay tahat...Cheen aur Roos kay interests ka kuch jagaon per tazaad hai
Roos ki bhi chalaki hai kay woh apnay samraaj ko mashriq-e-wusta main iran kay sar per rakh kar chalana chahta hai, China ko saath lay ker jo kay aik na kaam plan hai..
China kyun nahi apnay asr-o-rasuq ko istemaal ker kay, pakistan kay taaluqaat saudi kay saath aur OIC main istemal kerkay apna raaj iss khitay main qaaim keray?
Haqeeqat yeh hai kay Iran aur Roos ka number lag chuka hai...roos ki ab dunya main sirf Ukraine main base reh jayegi aur dunya main kahien nahi rahien...
China ko Gwadar mil jayega aur humnay us hisaab say apnay mulk ki siyasat aur agenday per chalna hai laikin kisi say dushmani ya jang ker kay nahi
Iss khitay ki sirf aik qaabil air force hai, iss say pehlay Shah ki thi jo kay tabah ker di gayi Roosi agenday kay tahat kyunkay unko darr tha kay shah ki fizaya bartanya (Britain) say bhi barri ho gayi hai aur baaqi roosi agenton ka, Saddam, Hafez ul Assad waghera ka kya hoga...
Aur bartanya ko bhi darr tha kyunkay unka tail (oil) ka bhi masla tha aur unko darr tha kay Shah Khud mukhtar na ho jaye..yeh dekhiye uska interview jis main woh tel (oil) ki qeematon ko barha kar keh raha hai kay humne kuch ghalat nahi kiya...aap bhi gandum ki qeematain barha daytay hain:
humari fizayyia taamil baaghion kay khilaaf bhi kaam aayi...yeh unkay leader Prabhakaran nay bhi kaha kay hum per iss qism kay attack, iss khitay main sirf Pak Fizaya ker sakti hai...
Iss khitay ki sirf aik fauj hai jiski zimaydaarian aanay walay waqton main barh rahi hain aur yeh humara "interest" hai kay iss khittay main apna role ada kerain
jahan tak rahi baat Bahrain aur Saudi ki...woh bagawatain mamooli si hain aur un main humnay support kiya arbon ko kyunkay yeh humara interest hai jis tarah hum shah kay saath thay aik zamanay main ya humnay madad ki apni fauj Israel bhej ker 67 ki jang main ya Jordan say PLO kay dehshatgardon ko khatam kar kay
Syria aik khana jangi ki haalat main hai...iss waqt 18000 main say 8000 assad ki fauj kay log maray hain aur baaqi 10000 shaheed honay waali awaam aur marnay walay baagi bhi hain
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mehwish_ali
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اور آپ نے آمنا صدقنا کہتے ہوئے اس شخص کی بات پر یقین کر لیا۔
کاش کچھ اپنی عقل کا استعمال کر لیا ہوتا۔
کاش کچھ اپنی عقل کا استعمال کر لیا ہوتا۔
ایسی نصیحت کا فائدہ اور اثر تب ہوتا جب کوئی منصفانہ کردار کا حامل شخص یہ بات کرتا۔
مگر ادھر حالت یہ ہے کہ ان لوگوں کی زبان کا استعمال نظر نہیں آتا اور جو کھل کر کافر اور دیگر گالیاں دے رہے ہیں۔
بہرحال چونکہ بات اپنے اندر صحیح ہے، لہذا میں اجتناب کرنے کی کوشش کروں گی۔ انشاء اللہ۔
مگر ادھر حالت یہ ہے کہ ان لوگوں کی زبان کا استعمال نظر نہیں آتا اور جو کھل کر کافر اور دیگر گالیاں دے رہے ہیں۔
بہرحال چونکہ بات اپنے اندر صحیح ہے، لہذا میں اجتناب کرنے کی کوشش کروں گی۔ انشاء اللہ۔
بالکل غلط الزام ہے۔
ایران نے پاکستان کا نام نہیں دیا تھا، بلکہ اس سے کہیں پہلے سن 2002 کے آس پاس لیبیا نے اپنا ایٹمی پروگرام ترک کیا اور سارا ساز و سامان بمع تفصیلات امریکہ بھجوا دیا اور وہیں سے خان نیٹ ورک سامنے آیا۔ اسکے بعد ایران بھی پکڑا گیا اور اس پر شدید دباؤ پڑا اور اسی دباؤ کے بعد جا کر ایران نے اقوام متحدہ کے سامنے گھٹنے ٹیکتے ہوئے انسپکشن کی اجازت دی (مگر یہ سن 2004 کے آس پاس کی بات ہے اور ایران نے خان نیٹ ورک کو افشاء نہیں کیا بلکہ خان نیٹ ورک کے پکڑے جانے کی وجہ سے ایران کا راز افشاء ہوا ہے۔
ایران نے پاکستان کا نام نہیں دیا تھا، بلکہ اس سے کہیں پہلے سن 2002 کے آس پاس لیبیا نے اپنا ایٹمی پروگرام ترک کیا اور سارا ساز و سامان بمع تفصیلات امریکہ بھجوا دیا اور وہیں سے خان نیٹ ورک سامنے آیا۔ اسکے بعد ایران بھی پکڑا گیا اور اس پر شدید دباؤ پڑا اور اسی دباؤ کے بعد جا کر ایران نے اقوام متحدہ کے سامنے گھٹنے ٹیکتے ہوئے انسپکشن کی اجازت دی (مگر یہ سن 2004 کے آس پاس کی بات ہے اور ایران نے خان نیٹ ورک کو افشاء نہیں کیا بلکہ خان نیٹ ورک کے پکڑے جانے کی وجہ سے ایران کا راز افشاء ہوا ہے۔
Humnay jab Rigi ko pakarwaya aur uskay bhai ko jo kay Pakistani bashinday thay...aapnay humain koi credit nahi diya...aapnay kaha kay humnay Wahhabi/Pakistani aur Saudi ko shikast day di
ایران نے جنداللہ اور رگی کے معاملے میں پاکستانی حکومت کو مورد الزام نہیں ٹہرایا تھا، بلکہ پاکستانی ایجنسیز میں موجود ناصبی عنصر پر تشویش ظاہر کی تھی جو کہ آج بھی مسلسل جنداللہ کو سپورٹ کر رہے ہیں اور امریکی عہدیداران اس پاکستان میں موجود جنداللہ سے رابطے میں ہیں۔
چنانچہ یہ حقیقت ہے کہ پاکستانی قانون کے تحفظ کرنے والے ادارے اپنی کوشش میں ناکام ہو چکے ہیں کہ پاکستان کو ان دہشتگردوں سے پاک کریں۔
امریکہ اسی لیے ڈرونز حملے کرتا ہے اور پاکستان عالمی عدالت تک نہیں جا سکتا کیونکہ پاکستان یہ کیس ہار جائے گا۔
چین نے بھی ان دہشتگردوں کے ٹھکانوں کی پاکستان موجودگی پر آہستہ آہستہ کھل کر اعتراض کرنا شروع کر دیا ہے۔
ان دہشتگردوں کے علاوہ حکومتی سطح پر پاکستان اور ایران کے مابین ابھی بھی بہت بہتر تعلقات قائم ہیں اور پاکستان نام میں شریک ہے اور آفیشیل سطح پر پاکستان نے ایران کے مؤقف کی حمایت ہی کی ہے کہ شام میں غیر ملکی مداخلت بند ہونی چاہیے۔
پاکستانی حکومت کا یہ مؤقف بہت حوصلہ افزا ہے اور ایران میں اسکو تعریف کی نظر سے دیکھا جا رہا ہے۔
بلکہ نام کانفرنس میں شریک اکثریت ممالک نے یہی مؤقف پیش کیا ہے کہ شام میں غیر ملکی مداخلت بند ہو۔
مگر یہاں ایک بہانے یا دوسرے بہانے اسی امریکی مداخلت اور امریکہ کی آشیرواد کے سائے تلے قتل و خونریزی کی حمایت کی جا رہی ہے۔
بقیہ ساری باتیں آپکی غیر متعلق ہیں اور آپ کسی ایک بات پر جم کر بحث نہیں کر سکتے۔ لہذا آپ سے بات کرنا فضول ہے۔
آپ لاکھ بہانے کر لیں، لاکھ ادھر اُدھر کی بات کر لیں، مگر شام میں امریکی ایماء پر اس ہونے والے "اسرائیلی جہاد" کو حلال ثابت نہیں کر سکتے۔
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ya to aap parh nahi saktien ya samajh nahi paa rahien...
laikin agar baat yeh hai kay aapko samajh nahi aa rahi to main aapko tanay nahi dunga, har insaan ki apni "limitations" hoti hain,
Yahaan maine aapsay kaha tha kay Iran nay humain credit kyun nahi diya...aap yeh samajh bethien kay main keh raha hun kay aapki wajah say hum badnaam huay
Aapse pehlay bhi guzaarish ki kay aap "nasibi" ka lafz na istemaal kerain, aik muhazzab behes main yeh lafz theek nahi, haan agar main gaali galoch ker raha hota, aapko "rafizi" aur deegar taasubana alqaab say nawaaz raha hota to aapki yeh baat jaaiz hoti
doosri baat yeh hai kay mera shiqwa iran say tha kay unhon nay humain credit kyun nahi diya kay humnay rigi pakarwaya aur information di
unhon nay humara naam hata ker khud credit lay liya...laikin aap phir bhi samjhnay say aari thien
idhar bhi aapkay paas zyadatar baaton kay jawaabat nahi thay laikin main aapko qasurwar nahi thehra sakta
yeh aakhirkaar aik mamooli sa internet forum hai aur aap aik jazbaati si khatun hain aur dunya aur unkay halaat per zyada girift nahi rakhtien,
iss liye aapko kuch kehna aapkay saath nainsaafi hogi kyunkay aapse tawaqqo nahi thi kay aap aadhi say zyada baaton ko samajh bhi sakti hon
aap yaqeenan farsi hain aur yahaan iran kay agenday ko chala rahi hain
agar aisa hai to behtar hota kay aap khul ker yeh kahain takay aapsay zyada khul ker baat ki ja sakay iran-pakistan maamlaat per
haan, yeh bhi ho sakta hai kay aap irani hakumat say bahut mutaasir hain aur unko apnay mazhab say wabasta ker kay jazbaati ho rahi hain
aakhir main...main aapko yaqeen kay saath batana chahun ga kay Pakistan kay interest main, iss waqt Iran ko support kerna nahi aur iss baat say Amreeka aur deegar mumalik agaah hain
haan, woh aik Shia saddar kay zariye shia awaam aur Iran ko bata na chahtay hain kay hum "neutral" hain laikin iss waqt Pakistan, China aur Saudia ka interest yak jaa hai
yeh mujhe afsos kay saath aapko batana hoga takay aap kisi ghalat fahmi ka shikaar na hon
jahaan tak taaluq hai China kay ilzaamat aur drones ka, to yeh dar asal bila wajah ki baatain hain aur sanjeeda guftugu kay zimray main nahi aatien
yeh to bacha bacha jaanta hai kay in saari cheezon kay maamlay main Pakistan aur deegar mumaalik kitnay sanjeeda hain...
laikin agar baat yeh hai kay aapko samajh nahi aa rahi to main aapko tanay nahi dunga, har insaan ki apni "limitations" hoti hain,
Yahaan maine aapsay kaha tha kay Iran nay humain credit kyun nahi diya...aap yeh samajh bethien kay main keh raha hun kay aapki wajah say hum badnaam huay
Aapse pehlay bhi guzaarish ki kay aap "nasibi" ka lafz na istemaal kerain, aik muhazzab behes main yeh lafz theek nahi, haan agar main gaali galoch ker raha hota, aapko "rafizi" aur deegar taasubana alqaab say nawaaz raha hota to aapki yeh baat jaaiz hoti
doosri baat yeh hai kay mera shiqwa iran say tha kay unhon nay humain credit kyun nahi diya kay humnay rigi pakarwaya aur information di
unhon nay humara naam hata ker khud credit lay liya...laikin aap phir bhi samjhnay say aari thien
idhar bhi aapkay paas zyadatar baaton kay jawaabat nahi thay laikin main aapko qasurwar nahi thehra sakta
yeh aakhirkaar aik mamooli sa internet forum hai aur aap aik jazbaati si khatun hain aur dunya aur unkay halaat per zyada girift nahi rakhtien,
iss liye aapko kuch kehna aapkay saath nainsaafi hogi kyunkay aapse tawaqqo nahi thi kay aap aadhi say zyada baaton ko samajh bhi sakti hon
aap yaqeenan farsi hain aur yahaan iran kay agenday ko chala rahi hain
agar aisa hai to behtar hota kay aap khul ker yeh kahain takay aapsay zyada khul ker baat ki ja sakay iran-pakistan maamlaat per
haan, yeh bhi ho sakta hai kay aap irani hakumat say bahut mutaasir hain aur unko apnay mazhab say wabasta ker kay jazbaati ho rahi hain
aakhir main...main aapko yaqeen kay saath batana chahun ga kay Pakistan kay interest main, iss waqt Iran ko support kerna nahi aur iss baat say Amreeka aur deegar mumalik agaah hain
haan, woh aik Shia saddar kay zariye shia awaam aur Iran ko bata na chahtay hain kay hum "neutral" hain laikin iss waqt Pakistan, China aur Saudia ka interest yak jaa hai
yeh mujhe afsos kay saath aapko batana hoga takay aap kisi ghalat fahmi ka shikaar na hon
jahaan tak taaluq hai China kay ilzaamat aur drones ka, to yeh dar asal bila wajah ki baatain hain aur sanjeeda guftugu kay zimray main nahi aatien
yeh to bacha bacha jaanta hai kay in saari cheezon kay maamlay main Pakistan aur deegar mumaalik kitnay sanjeeda hain...
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