Foreigners hold $3.1bn worth KSE equities - Some serious Implications for Karachi Stock Market

AsifAmeer

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http://dawn.com/2013/01/03/foreigners-hold-3-1bn-worth-kse-equities/


[HI]Foreign investors hold $3.1 billion worth Pakistan equities, which represents 30 per cent of the stock markets free-float[/HI]. It also accounts for seven per cent of KSEs aggregate market capitalisation of Rs4.2 trillion.
During the outgoing year, foreign portfolio inflow amounted to $125 million, with the market recovering almost the entire net outflow of $127 million in 2011.

But analysts at brokerage Topline Securities pointed out that the overseas investment in Pakistani equities was nowhere near the net purchase of shares by foreigners in certain other Asian emerging and frontier markets. Notable among them were India which saw an inflow of a whopping $24bn; Korea $15 billion and Taiwan $5 billion.
(Comparing Pakistan to India,Korea and Taiwan is simply insane. This shows that even the market pumpers are out of excuses)

Investment Advisory firm, Magnus Investment Advisors, which tracks investment in Pakistani securities from the perspective of institutional investors both local and foreign calculated returns on equities of nine emerging markets: Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Philippines, Thailand and Turkey. The period of study was from Nov 1997 to Oct 2012.

It showed that [HI]during the 15 year period, the KSE-100 index provided an annual return in terms of US dollars at 9.51 per cent[/HI], which was actually the median of the group of the above 10 countries under study. Philippines, Turkey, Brazil ad China had lower returns.

The annual real return in local currency for KSE-100 stood at 6.45pc, which was higher than the median. The returns are better than expected given the multiple challenges Pakistan has faced during this time period, the Magnus stated.

The evaluation of risk of KSE-100 on six measures showed that the average dollar loss in the four years was the most revealing risk measure for foreign investors, as it captured historical meltdown risk.

We found that KSE-100′s average dollar loss in the four worst years was 36.12pc against the median dollar loss of 35.80pc, with Indonesia, Brazil and Turkey posting higher average loss, the report stated. Thus, the anecdotally held view that KSE-100 has higher risks than other markets was not borne out by facts, it said. The conclusion drawn was that Pakistani stocks did not represent any unusual risk in the universe of emerging countries.

But the important insight gained by Magnus was regarding allocation to KSE-100 for US investors under a mean variance analyses framework. Two constraints were applied, i.e. no shot sales and minimum allocation of 50pc to Standards & Poors 500.

Accordingly, Minimum Variance Portfolio of US investors stood at 55.75 per cent; followed by UK 15.59 per cent and China 15.17 per cent. Investment in Pakistan stocks makes sense for US investors, given the low correlation of 0.14 between S&P-500 and KSE-100″, the analysts say. Magnus admitted that the size and liquidity issues would rule out investment in KSE-100 as a credible option for many large funds, yet the insight could prove useful for a few small to mid-sized institutional investors.




COMMENTS: I have some friends who are invested in KSE. When I share my findings with them, their question is "so why isnt the market crashing". Thats like jumping out a 60 story building and claiming that you are still alive for 3.25 seconds. Anyways, here's my take on it

Growth in M3 has been 14% annual since 2008. Also, stocks are inversely correlated to interest rates. The rate expectations drive markets. The recent uptick in inflation has scared off the market with expectations that the SBP will raise the rates. SBP wont raise the rates because its decisions are not based on Economic principles, given the rupee doesnt implode in the forex.

Oh.. and Happy New Fiscal quarter!
 

hans

Banned
Boss... Tell me one thing. If the market Crash. If I go with my hard earned earning say after one day after the crash.. which sector should invest in?

I do think, the crash is not a real crash but a huge correction. And there is always new life after a Catastrophic reset. I would prefer to be on the other end of the rainbow.

Let me know your thoughts.
 

Omrkhan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Boss... Tell me one thing. If the market Crash. If I go with my hard earned earning say after one day after the crash.. which sector should invest in?

I do think, the crash is not a real crash but a huge correction. And there is always new life after a Catastrophic reset. I would prefer to be on the other end of the rainbow.

Let me know your thoughts.

Real estate.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Before saying anything, I should share that I am not an expert on Pakistani Equities. Infact, I am not an expert on anything other than my very own spiritual surgery.

With that said. Ppl always say "Buy low, sell high" but no one says when the low is low enough or the high is high enough. Timing is key. And only astrologers and economists are good at timing. Luckily, I am neither. Sure, theres always a bull market somewhere. And you do not need just a bull market to make money. You can make money faster in a crashing market. Depends of the Pakistani capital markets are structured, you can sell stock futures when technical break down like it did in the past 3 days. 16,800 was the support. Lets see how that plays out..
Boss... Tell me one thing. If the market Crash. If I go with my hard earned earning say after one day after the crash.. which sector should invest in?

I do think, the crash is not a real crash but a huge correction. And there is always new life after a Catastrophic reset. I would prefer to be on the other end of the rainbow.

Let me know your thoughts.

Real estate.
 

punjabi_tha

Councller (250+ posts)
I have never liked this stock exchange bullshit. Remember the days when Shaukat Aziz was PM and we would hear daily about how index is increasing day by day and then everyone knows what happened. When stock prices go up poverty doesn't come down, neither it reduces inflation, neither it eliminates terrorism, neither a roti costs Rs.1, neither taxis and rickshaws stops charging exorbitant fares so I don't understand why so much hype is given to stock exchange as to how good it is performing!?
 
G

gotti

Guest
Hello scholars,

Hate to break it to you but I am here to poop on everyone (diarrhea, lactose intolerance, long story)

So here's the scoop:

Establishment has decided to make stocks their source of income after investing in every goddamn sector with every corporate scheme possible (Askari bank, Fauji cement, Fauji fertilizer). Bahria and Shaheens aren't too far behind in their nosiness in every possible thing that can be bought.

Expect more of these fluctuations and what we call in Pakistan "drama" (in reference to dramaybaazi and not soaps - have they invested in soaps, too? - how should I know? When I drop them, I never bother picking them up)

There goes another AsifAmeer analysis down the drain (along with the poop mentioned above).

Happy FY12Q4 ending to you, too!
 

jeaybhutto

Senator (1k+ posts)
Fascinating discussions here! the article states that the foreign investor has realized that Pak stocks are as risky as/if not less than stocks in other dev econs...this is a simple and positive news and is backed by corporate earnings which are solid
I dont see why we have to find a conspiracy in everything?
 

Heart

Councller (250+ posts)
I wonder if you have read about technical analysis. Have you? John Murphy? Martin Pring? Bill O'Neil? Jesse Livermore?

Before saying anything, I should share that I am not an expert on Pakistani Equities. Infact, I am not an expert on anything other than my very own spiritual surgery.

With that said. Ppl always say "Buy low, sell high" but no one says when the low is low enough or the high is high enough. Timing is key. And only astrologers and economists are good at timing. Luckily, I am neither. Sure, theres always a bull market somewhere. And you do not need just a bull market to make money. You can make money faster in a crashing market. Depends of the Pakistani capital markets are structured, you can sell stock futures when technical break down like it did in the past 3 days. 16,800 was the support. Lets see how that plays out..
 

wmahmooood

Senator (1k+ posts)
The figures are facts of this article are not correct if not biased..


One can manipulate these figures in any way based on his or her objective to be presented..

For me.....Equity market is the most profitable venues for pakistanis and have given more return than other venues in long run.

Furthermore crash in 2004 and 2008 was mainly due to absense of any funding in the market. Majority of the buying was carried out on credit and the investors didnt invest their own money in that....

Today's market is truly on cash and has very less chance to crash....(Allah knows better) Moreover, the fundamentals of companies are also very strong, even at this level there are numerous comanies which are provided dividend yeildof 30% and above. dividend yeidl of 15% companies are huge in numbers...Capital gain on these securities is over and above that...
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
No I have not. You got any recommendations?

I consider myself a novice in TA. Sure the basics.. MA, Vol, H&S, trends, opening and closing gaps, support levels. But I do have alot of faith in these. So never really bothered to put alot of time into developing these views.


I wonder if you have read about technical analysis. Have you? John Murphy? Martin Pring? Bill O'Neil? Jesse Livermore?
 

Sayeen

Councller (250+ posts)
Fascinating discussions here! the article states that the foreign investor has realized that Pak stocks are as risky as/if not less than stocks in other dev econs...this is a simple and positive news and is backed by corporate earnings which are solid
I dont see why we have to find a conspiracy in everything?

The whole thing is riddled with conspiracy mate... the country is guttering down at a rate never known before in its history and yet the foreign investor cashes in with his profit and takes a walk.The savvy analyst (who is also in with the scam) equates KSE-100 to the BRIC economies to lure the next big investor in and the cycle goes on.

We need to jump of the market economy capitalist bandwagon and adopt a home grown resource based economy, one where money is backed by real assets not fiat currency.
 

Heart

Councller (250+ posts)
You do have a lot of faith? Or you mean you donot have a lot of faith?

No I have not. You got any recommendations?

I consider myself a novice in TA. Sure the basics.. MA, Vol, H&S, trends, opening and closing gaps, support levels. But I do have alot of faith in these. So never really bothered to put alot of time into developing these views.
 

confuseme

Councller (250+ posts)
we belong to agro based country so invest in such industries that deal with it.eg MTL, DAWH, ENGRO, FFBL, AGTL, AGIL etcetc buy only in ready mkt , cement, cotton etc r other options toooo
 

confuseme

Councller (250+ posts)
an illustration for brothers who are not expert
read thiis and become expert. its applicable at Paki stocks mkt.(just for:lol:laugh)

The Stock Market

The Stock Market simply illustrated ... Is there a lesson here?


Once upon a time in a village, a man appeared and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for Rs10.

The villagers seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them.

The man bought thousands at Rs10 and as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort. He further announced that he would now buy at Rs20.

This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms.

The offer rate increased to Rs25 and the supply of monkeys became so little that it was an effort to even see a monkey let alone catch it.

The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at Rs50! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would now buy on behalf of him.

In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers. "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at Rs35 and when the man returns from the city , you can sell it to him for Rs50."

The villagers squeezed up with all their savings to buy the monkeys.

Then they never saw the man nor his assistant, only monkeys everywhere!!!!










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AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Sounds alot like the "Modern Money Theory" to me..

U watched boiler room?
an illustration for brothers who are not expert
read thiis and become expert. its applicable at Paki stocks mkt.(just for:lol:laugh)

The Stock Market

The Stock Market simply illustrated ... Is there a lesson here?


Once upon a time in a village, a man appeared and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for Rs10.

The villagers seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them.

The man bought thousands at Rs10 and as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort. He further announced that he would now buy at Rs20.

This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms.

The offer rate increased to Rs25 and the supply of monkeys became so little that it was an effort to even see a monkey let alone catch it.

The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at Rs50! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would now buy on behalf of him.

In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers. "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at Rs35 and when the man returns from the city , you can sell it to him for Rs50."

The villagers squeezed up with all their savings to buy the monkeys.

Then they never saw the man nor his assistant, only monkeys everywhere!!!!










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