Dr Javaid Iqbals witness on Taliban
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dukelondon
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IF you think Afghani Taliban government was Islamic government, you should know that they had NOTHING to do with Islam. What they practiced was NOT Islam but their sick jahil opressive tribal culture which negates basic values of Islam. As the renowned Islamic scholar Javed Ahmad Ghamidi said in the series "The State of Sharia", "If the Taliban really think they are so popular in public, they should form a peaceful human party (I doubt they can do that because they are wild beasts and darinday, nothing to do with humanity and Islam) present themselves in a free and fair election to see how popular they are and if people really want them to be their rulers."
Bandooq ki noak pay apna banaya hua mazhab Islam kay naam say logon par zabardasti Thopna, Islam nahi KUFR HAI. ZULM HAI.
Islamic punishments described in the Quran are practiced in many Muslim and even some non-muslim countries like Singapore. But just because a government gives Islamic punishments, it DOES NOT become an Islamic state.
Bandooq ki noak pay apna banaya hua mazhab Islam kay naam say logon par zabardasti Thopna, Islam nahi KUFR HAI. ZULM HAI.
Islamic punishments described in the Quran are practiced in many Muslim and even some non-muslim countries like Singapore. But just because a government gives Islamic punishments, it DOES NOT become an Islamic state.
Talib were craps who were used to bring shame on muslims and they have damaged Islam more then anti muslims would have done.Everyone knows there extreme views. ANd what they have been doing everywhere.Shamful for these so called extremists to talk aobut talibs. We have them all.
atensari
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dukelondon said:
Your comments are already responded @ http://www.siasat.pk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14846&start=10
dukelondon
Senator (1k+ posts)
If we are living under Un-Islamic conditions, that doesn't mean that people like me and brother Usman will start supporting Shaytaani UnIslamic Khariji Taliban. Two wrongs DONT make a right.
dukelondon
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atensari said:
In that post you replied:
atensari wrote:
Taliban did made mistakes, they are making mistakes, what are we doing, are we making any effort to establish Islam like Muhammad (SAW) and Khulafa did in their times. Blaming Taliban will not fulfill our responsibility towards Islam
My answer:
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No, my brother in Islam. Taliban didnt make mistakes. Their ideology is Shaytanic Deamonic opressive, sick tribal ideology in the first place which has NOTHING to do with Islam. So, there is no question of making mistakes. Humans make mistakes, beasts darinday dont. Its their nature, you cant call it a mistake.
longliveIK
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thanks for share bro. :) nice post
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shagi
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We will never ever support Shaytaani UnIslamic Khariji Talibans. Actually they are following Tekfeeri ideology. This ideology was present in the past but for sometime it was dead. Talibans are following thisTakfeeri ideology. Which is a a mistaken interpretation of islam. We need to better educate them. Opening world class universities and schools may be one solution. But many more things are needed to be done on international and massive scale.
Bret Hawk
Senator (1k+ posts)
First of all I would say that I respect brother dukelondoner and his thoughts but beg to differ from him on this point that these Talibans (Afghan or Pakistan based) are infidels and beasts therefore they dont deserve to be treated humanely. We can term them extremists, narrow-minded and militants but I think to exclude them from the community is not justified. I think we all know now to some extent that how and when they were created and financed through the agencies of the most powerful nations of the world including Pakistani ISI and its military establishment and from which Islamic school of thought (Deobandi aligned with Salafi movement) they derive their inspiration so no need for me to further delve on these historical matters.
I think now time has come to make a major shakeup (Not on the behest of liberal and western fascists) into the curriculum and educational structure of Pakistans Madrassa system of seminaries which have spread across the heartlands and far-flung areas as well Efforts should me made by this apathetic government of Pakistan to streamline the Madrassa based educational system so that it can enable for the students of Madrassas to do inductive and objective reasoning which has been the trait of Muslim scientists and religious experts centuries ago and enlightened not only those areas which were under their suzerainty but to those regions as well where the darkness of ignorance and immorality was widespread.
Last but not least I think the time has come for Pakistan to say it quit from this senseless war of (Yes not on) terror against the innocent Pashtuns of Pakistan and Afghanistan and try to bring the foreign & local fighters and guerrillas in our tribal region to the main stream of Pakistan. Only then we can hope for any long lasting and durable peace otherwise no matter how much we or the state controlled Ulema E Suu condemn their activities this glaring problem of terrorism will not stop because the roots of this conflict are not in the minds of few thousands of militant groups but they are based within the surface of economic, political, social and judicial injustices which we have to weed them out or else we can just watch and implore as we Pakistanis are doing for the last six decades now.
I think now time has come to make a major shakeup (Not on the behest of liberal and western fascists) into the curriculum and educational structure of Pakistans Madrassa system of seminaries which have spread across the heartlands and far-flung areas as well Efforts should me made by this apathetic government of Pakistan to streamline the Madrassa based educational system so that it can enable for the students of Madrassas to do inductive and objective reasoning which has been the trait of Muslim scientists and religious experts centuries ago and enlightened not only those areas which were under their suzerainty but to those regions as well where the darkness of ignorance and immorality was widespread.
Last but not least I think the time has come for Pakistan to say it quit from this senseless war of (Yes not on) terror against the innocent Pashtuns of Pakistan and Afghanistan and try to bring the foreign & local fighters and guerrillas in our tribal region to the main stream of Pakistan. Only then we can hope for any long lasting and durable peace otherwise no matter how much we or the state controlled Ulema E Suu condemn their activities this glaring problem of terrorism will not stop because the roots of this conflict are not in the minds of few thousands of militant groups but they are based within the surface of economic, political, social and judicial injustices which we have to weed them out or else we can just watch and implore as we Pakistanis are doing for the last six decades now.
dukelondon
Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother Bret Hawk, I would like to bring to your attention certain facts to explain why I'm against the Afghan Taliban.
Islam isi ka naam hai kay Zulm chahay America karay (Kafir) ya Afghan Taliban (Musalman), hum Zalim ka saath na dein esp agar wo Zulm Islam ka sahara lay kar kiya jaa raha wo toe wo Zulm-e-Azeem hai.
Aap ye mat samajhna kay Zulm say meri muraad Islamic punishments hain jo Afghan Taliban kay dor-e-hukomat mein raij theein. Mai un punishments ki baat nahi kar raha. Mai un mazalim ki baat kar raha hoon jo Taliban kay apnay Mukhalif Musalmanon per kiye jis ki tareekh mein misaal nahi milti. Haan Karbala mein misaal milti hai. Yazid kay Karbala kay Mazalim say bilkul mukhtalif nahin thay wo mazalim jo Taliban nay Bamiyaan aur Mazar-e-Shareef mein kiye. 10,000 hazaar logon ko sirf is liye qatal kiya gaya kay wo aik khaas fiqa say taaluq rakhtay thay. Un ki aurtoon ki izzat looti gaii aur Musalman aurton ko kaneez banaya gay. Un ki pregnant aurton kay pait bilkul aisay kaatay gaiy jaisy Sikhon nay partition kay time pay Musalmaan aurton kay pait kaat kay un kay bachon ko qatal kiya tha. Ye Zulm ki aik aisi daastaan hai kay jis say ze-shaoor insaan ki rooh kaanp jaati hai. Yahi kaam Hazrat Ali(RA) ki khilafat kay doraan kharijion nay bhi kiye thay.
Aik Momin aur Musalman Zulm ka saath kabhi nahi deta. Wo insaaf karta hai chahey faisla Musalmaan kay khilaaf ho ya Kafir kay Khilaaf.
Aaj bhi Afghani Taliban Zulm kar rahay hain. Agar wo sirf NATO army pay hamla karein jo bayshak wo jayaz hai laiken rozana masoom baygunah logon ko khoon mein nehlana bilkul isi tarah jaisay Pakistan mein kiya jaa raha hai, ye kon sa Islam hai bhai???
We should remember that we are a Muslim before a Pakistani. Zulm kay baaray mein Quran ka kya Muaqqaf hai, ye I hope aap jaantay hi hoon gay. Quran mein Allah(SWT) aik jaga farmaata hai kay "Zaalim ki taraf tumhara jhukao tak na ho" saath dena to door ki baat hai bhai.
So, we should NOT support both America and the Afghani Taliban as both are Zalim.
Islam isi ka naam hai kay Zulm chahay America karay (Kafir) ya Afghan Taliban (Musalman), hum Zalim ka saath na dein esp agar wo Zulm Islam ka sahara lay kar kiya jaa raha wo toe wo Zulm-e-Azeem hai.
Aap ye mat samajhna kay Zulm say meri muraad Islamic punishments hain jo Afghan Taliban kay dor-e-hukomat mein raij theein. Mai un punishments ki baat nahi kar raha. Mai un mazalim ki baat kar raha hoon jo Taliban kay apnay Mukhalif Musalmanon per kiye jis ki tareekh mein misaal nahi milti. Haan Karbala mein misaal milti hai. Yazid kay Karbala kay Mazalim say bilkul mukhtalif nahin thay wo mazalim jo Taliban nay Bamiyaan aur Mazar-e-Shareef mein kiye. 10,000 hazaar logon ko sirf is liye qatal kiya gaya kay wo aik khaas fiqa say taaluq rakhtay thay. Un ki aurtoon ki izzat looti gaii aur Musalman aurton ko kaneez banaya gay. Un ki pregnant aurton kay pait bilkul aisay kaatay gaiy jaisy Sikhon nay partition kay time pay Musalmaan aurton kay pait kaat kay un kay bachon ko qatal kiya tha. Ye Zulm ki aik aisi daastaan hai kay jis say ze-shaoor insaan ki rooh kaanp jaati hai. Yahi kaam Hazrat Ali(RA) ki khilafat kay doraan kharijion nay bhi kiye thay.
Aik Momin aur Musalman Zulm ka saath kabhi nahi deta. Wo insaaf karta hai chahey faisla Musalmaan kay khilaaf ho ya Kafir kay Khilaaf.
Aaj bhi Afghani Taliban Zulm kar rahay hain. Agar wo sirf NATO army pay hamla karein jo bayshak wo jayaz hai laiken rozana masoom baygunah logon ko khoon mein nehlana bilkul isi tarah jaisay Pakistan mein kiya jaa raha hai, ye kon sa Islam hai bhai???
We should remember that we are a Muslim before a Pakistani. Zulm kay baaray mein Quran ka kya Muaqqaf hai, ye I hope aap jaantay hi hoon gay. Quran mein Allah(SWT) aik jaga farmaata hai kay "Zaalim ki taraf tumhara jhukao tak na ho" saath dena to door ki baat hai bhai.
So, we should NOT support both America and the Afghani Taliban as both are Zalim.
Bret Hawk
Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother Duke again I would say that I personally dont endorse and like their extremists views relating to the interpretation of Islam but Im also not in the favour of any western satanic power like US to invade their land and bring havoc upon them and to the innocent citizens of Afghanistan. No matter how much differences and conflict of opinion one should have but if he calls him / herself a Muslim then he / she has to not only condemn the aggressors but also try their level best to help their fellow brothers of Islam. Secondly brother the kind of alleged atrocities youve mentioned which relates to the Afghan Taliban then brother I think there should have been an element of exaggeration and concoction of false stories just to malign and implicate the Talibans in front of the world and to usurp them from the power structures of Afghanistan as what the American Zionists did actually according to the perfectly executed plan So brother there might have been more into those atrocities which might have been done by the enemies of both Talibans and their opponents the Northern alliance of non Pashtun groups, you will see the same strategy the Americans have employed in Iraq and Pakistan by instigating the Shia Sunni conflict and the world knows how it has been beneficial for them in the past and present.
atensari
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dukelondon said:
Aur Jo Zulm hum nay Taliban (Musalmanoon/Pakistanioon) per kiya, Zalim America kaa saat daay kar, wooh yaad nahi, "Pakistan First" ka nara Kya Thaa. Sep. 2001 Taak Taliban Hamary Bhai thaay, Afghanistan Hamari Taqat taa, Aak phone nay "Mukay Baaz General kee Patloon Geele kar dee"
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atensari
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