Double-counting: GDP overestimated, may be slashed by 10%

AsifAmeer

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Some goods and services were counted twice for last several years, sources say.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/371594/double-counting-gdp-overestimated-may-be-slashed-by-10/




ISLAMABAD: Pakistans economy was reported to stand at Rs21 trillion this year except, it may not have been.


The size of the countrys economy will shrink by up to Rs2.5 trillion, or roughly 10%, after reports surfaced that the value of some goods and services were counted twice in calculation of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for the last several years.

The correction has major implications, and places a question mark on authenticity of key economic indicators.


Major correction

The double-counting surfaced after Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) rebased the economy, shifting the base year for calculations from fiscal 1999-00 to 2005-06.

The rebasing has reduced the size of the economy, earlier assessed to be Rs21 trillion, to less than Rs19 trillion, said an official of the finance ministry.

Last years GDP has also shrunk by up to Rs1.5 trillion, the official added.

While a top official of National Accounts called it a mistake that has been corrected, the error has sent the governments economic managers back to the drawing board to rework all economic indicators not just for the next year, but for the last seven years at least.

The disclosure may also delay the announcement of next years budget as national accounts figures are used in the Economic Survey of Pakistan and the Annual Plan for the next fiscal.

The governing council of the PBS is meeting next week, chaired by the finance minister, to revisit the national accounts, according to Secretary Statistics Sohail Ahmad.


Impact of the error

How does this correction torpedo calculations for the current and projections for the next fiscal?

The budget deficit for the current fiscal, initially estimated to be around 6.5% of GDP, will soar to around 9% after the correction, said an official from the finance ministry.

Last years deficit, calculated to be 6.6%, will increase to about 7.2, the official said. The debt-to-GDP ratio for the current fiscal, estimated close to 60% of GDP, will rise to about 70% after the rebasing, he added.


Defending the correction

An official of National Accounts said the department will not hide mistakes anymore just to appease the finance ministry.

Some of the goods and services were counted twice, and that has been addressed, he said, citing the example of water supply which was listed under two separate heads.

It is better to accept readjusted size with an implication of a couple of trillions instead of letting the GDP artificially increase for many more years, he added.

Neither officials from the National Accounts, that works under the Statistics Division, nor the finance minister or secretary were available for comments, despite repeated attempt. Finance Minister Dr Hafeez Shaikh has already asked the Statistics Division to place its work for review in front of the governing council of the PBS.

Possible ramifications

The error may invoke penalties from International Monetary Fund (IMF) since all key economic indicators like the debt-to-GDP ratio, the budget deficit and economic growth were reported on an inflated GDP size for at least ten years.

The country entered into three programmes with the IMF during that period. Though there is no official confirmation, Pakistan is also negotiating a fresh programme with the Fund.

Published in The Express Tribune, April 29[SUP]th[/SUP], 2012.



PERSONAL NOTE:
Ooo Comon! Who doesnt know this was all deliberately done to get loans approved from World Bank and the IMF. When these financial Institutions lend money, they see GDP figures as collateral. Plus what difference does it make it the GDP was 3.2% or 4%, its not real economy anyway. This growth is in the Financial Economy. Just the M2 alone is growing at 10%! Looks like IMF didnt buy the cool-aid but World Bank will cough up $550 Million. I guess that will buy State Bank of Pakistan another 15 days on its Balance of Payment reserves.
 

ConcernedPaki

Minister (2k+ posts)
This comes as no surprise to me at least. If someone can rule a country for 5 years on a fudged piece of crap will, whats the big deal in a fudging a few figures here and there? I wonder if Pakistan can survive another 5 years of Zardari rule. Oh well, as long as Bhutto is alive, we are doomed to disaster!
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Ofcourse thats the simplest way to put it but growth in money supply also puffs up GDP in Rupee terms. If you measure Pakistan's GDP in terms of dollar (which has been falling as well), you will notice that the GDP has been SHRINKING at 6~7% for the last 2 years. Its like measuring something with a smaller scale to make the object look bigger.



Do you mean the money supply is growing which would lead to higher levels of Inflation?
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ofcourse thats the simplest way to put it but growth in money supply also puffs up GDP in Rupee terms. If you measure Pakistan's GDP in terms of dollar (which has been falling as well), you will notice that the GDP has been SHRINKING at 6~7% for the last 2 years. Its like measuring something with a smaller scale to make the object look bigger.

Well that's why they have the concept of 'Real GDP growth' which accounts for inflation.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Haan and then they turn around and fudge inflation. I do not know how they calculate inflation in Pakistan but I understand how they calculate inflation in the US and its sickening. Theres a inverse relationship b/w productivity & inflation. Let me give you an example how they play with Productivity figures. Suppose today we have a 2Ghz Processor based computer. Next month Intel comes out with a 4Ghz processor based computer. Govt will report that Productivity has doubled. That reduces inflation. This is just 1 of the many examples of them lying with a straight face. They count change in rent/mortgage as part of inflation but dont count energy/food cost in inflation. And I am talking about the US. God knows what kinda turd they cook in Pakistan inflation figures. Look at this chart.. I will give you a decent idea of the REAL inflation


Well that's why they have the concept of 'Real GDP growth' which accounts for inflation.
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Haan and then they turn around and fudge inflation. I do not know how they calculate inflation in Pakistan but I understand how they calculate inflation in the US and its sickening. Theres a inverse relationship b/w productivity & inflation. Let me give you an example how they play with Productivity figures. Suppose today we have a 2Ghz Processor based computer. Next month Intel comes out with a 4Ghz processor based computer. Govt will report that Productivity has doubled. That reduces inflation. This is just 1 of the many examples of them lying with a straight face. They count change in rent/mortgage as part of inflation but dont count energy/food cost in inflation. And I am talking about the US. God knows what kinda turd they cook in Pakistan inflation figures. Look at this chart.. I will give you a decent idea of the REAL inflation


In the UK the Labour government wanted to move to the euro, and in order to fulfill its convergence test, they abandoned the Retail Price Index, which gave mortgage costs and went to the Consumer Price Index which was used in the Euro Zone to measure Inflation. Interestingly, the Consumer Price Index by excluding certain costs, understated the level of inflation. Albeit the idea of the Euro is now completely abandoned, but there is no question that Inflation figures can be tampered with. In Pakistan we can all bet the tampering would be far higher than any where else(bigsmile)
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
I have been warning Pakistanis that Pakistan has already entered its initial stage of hyperinflation since 2010. Just check the thread http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-Islamic-Economy-Comparision-b-w-2008-Vs-2012

Gold is the true baseline. I even added Crude Oil and dollar to get an avg weighed and Pakistan stands at an annual rate of inflation of 24%...! There's a point of inflection where the prices just skyrocket. Now look at this


sbpnfa.jpg


See the line crossing ZERO? Run on the Rupee has already started. Look at this circled negative figure..
sbp1.jpg

In the UK the Labour government wanted to move to the euro, and in order to fulfill its convergence test, they abandoned the Retail Price Index, which gave mortgage costs and went to the Consumer Price Index which was used in the Euro Zone to measure Inflation. Interestingly, the Consumer Price Index by excluding certain costs, understated the level of inflation. Albeit the idea of the Euro is now completely abandoned, but there is no question that Inflation figures can be tampered with. In Pakistan we can all bet the tampering would be far higher than any where else(bigsmile)
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have been warning Pakistanis that Pakistan has already entered its initial stage of hyperinflation since 2010. Just check the thread http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-Islamic-Economy-Comparision-b-w-2008-Vs-2012

Gold is the true baseline. I even added Crude Oil and dollar to get an avg weighed and Pakistan stands at an annual rate of inflation of 24%...! There's a point of inflection where the prices just skyrocket. Now look at this


sbpnfa.jpg


See the line crossing ZERO? Run on the Rupee has already started. Look at this circled negative figure..
sbp1.jpg

We need to get rid of this government. Soon we are going to reach the levels of Hyper Inflation faced by Germany in the Pre-Nazi period
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Pakistan has passed the point of no return. Even if all the right steps are taken, Rupee will still collapse. I honestly saw this coming in 2007 that pakistan will see this in 2008.. IMF bailed out Pakistan in 08.. Now its payback and no reforms. I bet 1 dollar that Rupee will crash before the EURO does. Pakistan is banking on IMF to bail it out, no realizing that IMF will be overwhelmed by the Spanish and Italian bailouts. Italy is the titanic of the EURO. When these nations go belly up, German banks will be insolvent. German bank crisis will spill over to Japan and the US. And game's over for China.

In today's world, self reliance is the key. Numbers and figures on one side, yahan logoun ki jaanoun k baat ho rahi hai.. Insaani khanay ki baat ho rahi hai. The manipulation in the markets by these central banks and the Govts will result in widespread global shortages in food supplies.

The whole world will get a severe lesson in Austrian Economics and the theory of reflexivity.
We need to get rid of this government. Soon we are going to reach the levels of Hyper Inflation faced by Germany in the Pre-Nazi period
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ever saw those movies when post-apocalyptic chaos is shown? People wandering, gathered in gangs, killing each other, walking like zombies and preying on anything they can get their hands upon............
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
u ever watched that movie Zombieland? lol..
Ever saw those movies when post-apocalyptic chaos is shown? People wandering, gathered in gangs, killing each other, walking like zombies and preying on anything they can get their hands upon............
 

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