Did Pakistan win the war, or back out at the request of the US?

jigrot

Minister (2k+ posts)
Let’s be clear: Pakistan did not back out. It endured, responded, and in many ways, came out victorious, not just militarily, but diplomatically and strategically. This conflict was never just a border issue, it was a calculated move to isolate and weaken Pakistan, under the assumption that India, backed by its global partners, could deliver a decisive blow. But the plan failed. What was meant to be a show of dominance by India turned into a revelation of Pakistan’s strength, unity, and growing strategic depth.
From the beginning, Pakistan stood alone. The Western powers remained silent, offering India what seemed like a free hand to “fix” Pakistan. But that silence was based on a flawed assumption, that Pakistan would be overwhelmed and fold quickly. Instead, Pakistan’s military and political leadership demonstrated a calm yet forceful response, balancing precision with deterrence, and showing the world that it would not be a passive player in regional games.
As the situation began to shift, the very powers who supported or silently endorsed India’s actions began to panic. The war wasn’t going as planned. Pakistan held its lines, inflicted setbacks, and rallied internal unity. That's when the calls for mediation and de-escalation emerged, not because of a change of heart, but because the cost of miscalculation was becoming real. The threat of a broader conflict, possibly drawing in China and reshaping the region’s balance of power, was too high.

This is where the significance lies:

  • Strategic Exposure of India: India’s ambitions of playing the regional hegemon, the so-called “counterweight to China,” were dealt a blow. Not only did it fail to achieve its military objectives, but it also lost political capital in the region. Its perceived role as a stabilizer is now questioned, as its aggressive misadventure ended in a stalemate if not outright failure.
  • Shift in Regional Power: The conflict has underlined the emergence of a new multipolar order. China's quiet but looming presence added pressure, and it’s becoming increasingly clear that the West can no longer dictate terms in South Asia. The narrative that power is shifting eastward is not just a theory it played out in this very crisis.
  • Pakistan's Resilience: This conflict proved that Pakistan is not a fragile state waiting to collapse under pressure. Instead, it showed discipline, national unity, and a capacity for calibrated military action. In many ways, Pakistan proved that it is not only capable of defending its sovereignty but of shaping the outcomes of any conflict in the region.
  • Failure of India’s Gamble: India, which hoped to set an example by overpowering Pakistan, has now ended up looking diplomatically cornered and militarily checked. The perception of India as a rising, reliable power in the region has been weakened.
Conclusion:
This war was a test of strength, of resolve, of strategic patience. It was designed to crush Pakistan, but it ended up exposing the limits of Indian power and the waning influence of those who backed it. The tide is turning. The age of Western-aligned unilateral actions is fading. India and its allies miscalculated, and in doing so, they lost more than a battle, they lost their narrative.
Pakistan, through unity, resilience, and smart strategy, did not just survive, it won on its own terms.
 

Modest

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India is a very cunning country. When Pakistan was on top and destroyed Indian airbases today then India requested America for ceasefire. Pakistan shouldn’t have accepted this ceasefire and should have continued attacks on India till big strategic gains.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
This was just a calculated noora khusti from both side, modi got what he wanted and asim khanzeer got another excuse to keep the harami army relevant* due to "strategic compulsion"

*Relevant = keep interfering in country's politics, keep control over all its institutions, keep control over all its resources, justify increased expenditure.

I see still a lot of people have not fully awoken up from 70 decades of eating ISPR chooran and drinking Kool Aid.

They are still dancing like monkeys. What they did was their job, this is what they get paid for, this is why we pay them billions and billions from our poor pockets.

Only said part is they are only doing their job about 0.5% of the time, rest of it spent on trying to subvert its own population.

I can guarantee you if Khan was around this would never have happened and even if it did, it would end quickly like it did before with a simple cup of tea.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
This was just a calculated noora khusti from both side, modi got what he wanted and asim khanzeer got another excuse to keep the harami army relevant* due to "strategic compulsion"

*Relevant = keep interfering in country's politics, keep control over all its institutions, keep control over all its resources, justify increased expenditure.

I see still a lot of people have not fully awoken up from 70 decades of eating ISPR chooran and drinking Kool Aid.

They are still dancing like monkeys. What they did was their job, this is what they get paid for, this is why we pay them billions and billions from our poor pockets.

Only said part is they are only doing their job about 0.5% of the time, rest of it spent on trying to subvert its own population.

I can guarantee you if Khan was around this would never have happened and even if it did, it would end quickly like it did before with a simple cup of tea.
 

Jazbaati

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan was trying to get a ceasefire from the start. They did not respond when over 31 civilians were killed by missiles and then more during the drone attacks. They were forced to do something when India attacked their air bases.
You can tell they were relieved when Trump tweeted the ceasefire and Ganja chor quickly came out of the woodwork to kiss the army's backside.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pakistan was trying to get a ceasefire from the start. They did not respond when over 31 civilians were killed by missiles and then more during the drone attacks. They were forced to do something when India attacked their air bases.
You can tell they were relieved when Trump tweeted the ceasefire and Ganja chor quickly came out of the woodwork to kiss the army's backside.
Your animosity to the NS is not secret. However, give credit where it is due. It was the response of the whole nation, not just one person. NS, AM,ZAR, IK are not matter. It is the common will of the people of Pakistan which won.
 

Sarkash

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its a win for diplomacy, war is never a solution. If there is peace, its a win for both countries. Lets not forget there is no price for peace.

One thing is clear, no matter who is in power, there is a threshold which when crossed there will be a retaliation. Yes, Khawaja Asif's performance was pathetic, where ISPR and eventually PAF had to come out to brief. I hope establishment learns a lesson that when they put incompetent goons in power, they have to lift their burdon as well as their own.
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its a win for diplomacy, war is never a solution. If there is peace, its a win for both countries. Lets not forget there is no price for peace.

One thing is clear, no matter who is in power, there is a threshold which when crossed there will be a retaliation. Yes, Khawaja Asif's performance was pathetic, where ISPR and eventually PAF had to come out to brief. I hope establishment learns a lesson that when they put incompetent goons in power, they have to lift their burdon as well as their own.


اؤے شکریہ بونگے افغانی ۔

لیکن مودی کی گاف کا سائز تیرے لیے جیادہ بڑا کر دیا ھے ، چل اب منیر کو اپنی ٹانگیں اٹھا کر سلام کر ! 😆۔
 

Sarkash

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its a win for diplomacy, war is never a solution. If there is peace, its a win for both countries. Lets not forget there is no price for peace.

One thing is clear, no matter who is in power, there is a threshold which when crossed there will be a retaliation. Yes, Khawaja Asif's performance was pathetic, where ISPR and eventually PAF had to come out to brief. I hope establishment learns a lesson that when they put incompetent goons in power, they have to lift their burdon as well as their own.



اؤے شکریہ بونگے افغانی ۔

لیکن مودی کی گاف کا سائز تیرے لیے جیادہ بڑا کر دیا ھے ، چل اب منیر کو اپنی ٹانگیں اٹھا کر سلام کر ! 😆۔
نکلا نہ پھر سے پٹواری اندر سے تیرا ۔۔ جو نواز مودی کے موتر پی کر ٹن بیٹھا ہے اس سے بھی پوچھ لے کہ انڈیا میں جو سٹیل مل ہے اس کا کیا کرنا ہے

تری ماں اور باجی ٹانگیں اٹھا کر منیرے کو مصروف رکھے ہوئے ہے جانی تجھے کیا فکر

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Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its a win for diplomacy, war is never a solution. If there is peace, its a win for both countries. Lets not forget there is no price for peace.

One thing is clear, no matter who is in power, there is a threshold which when crossed there will be a retaliation. Yes, Khawaja Asif's performance was pathetic, where ISPR and eventually PAF had to come out to brief. I hope establishment learns a lesson that when they put incompetent goons in power, they have to lift their burdon as well as their own.


نکلا نہ پھر سے پٹواری اندر سے تیرا ۔۔ جو نواز مودی کے موتر پی کر ٹن بیٹھا ہے اس سے بھی پوچھ لے کہ انڈیا میں جو سٹیل مل ہے اس کا کیا کرنا ہے

تری ماں اور باجی ٹانگیں اٹھا کر منیرے کو مصروف رکھے ہوئے ہے جانی تجھے کیا فکر

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ابے تیری رھائش کھلی کردی ھے منیر ے نے ۔ چل شاباش اب اپنی ٹانگیں اٹھا کر سلامی دے 😆 ۔
 

Sarkash

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ابے تیری رھائش کھلی کردی ھے منیر ے نے ۔ چل شاباش اب اپنی ٹانگیں اٹھا کر سلامی دے 😆 ۔
تیری باجی منیرے کو چھوڑے گی تو وہ نکلے گا تب تک تو پاکستان آ جا اور لے آ پھول کوٹھے پہ

جب تک تیری باجی کی ٹانگیں اوپر ہیں تب تک تیرا خرچہ چلتا رہے گا



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Sarkash

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Siberite

تیری باجی تو مودی کو پہلے ہی ٹانگیں اوپر کر کے خوش کرتی رہی ہی مودی کے پشاب میں پلنے والے گندے کیڑے
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Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
تیری باجی منیرے کو چھوڑے گی تو وہ نکلے گا تب تک تو پاکستان آ جا اور لے آ پھول کوٹھے پہ

جب تک تیری باجی کی ٹانگیں اوپر ہیں تب تک تیرا خرچہ چلتا رہے گا








اسکا مطبل ھے تُو 120 گز کے پلاٹ سے 5 مرلے کی کوٹھی میں منتقل ہوگیا ھے ، لیکن منیر کا شکریہ ادا نہیں کرنا ! ۔ چل کوئ بات نہیں ۔ توُ خود نہیں اٹھائے گا تو ھم توپچی بھیج کے فتح ون سے اٹھا دینگے ۔ ! ۔ 😆 ۔
 

Respect

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bully hits kid, kid hits back. Bully backs down realises this kid can fight back.

That's how it went.

There no winners in a war between two nations, both can do tremendous damage to each other.

If it's a boxing fight it can go 12 rounds and India may win by points. However in the fight India will never be the same again.
 

chandaa

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Pakistan had an edge last night. Unfortunately sold out Asim Yazeed surrendered on a phone call. This was a golden opportunity to destroy illegal dams and backbone of Indian military.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
My posts are on the record; for two days I said that the Pakistan Armed Forces are holding back because of SA and the USA; they had been persuaded not to strike. They wouldn't have responded if India hadn't started to hit the airbases. After their bases were hit, they came into action and responded.
This is a shame. It shows for the Pakistani military, the blood of Pakistani people wasn't important; they were willing to forget about it.
 

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