CERN will find Higgs Boson or GOD PARTICLE by the year End.

[crankthskunk]

CERN director says LHC will find God Particle by end of the year

The Large Hadron Collider is to be switched off at the end of the year to undergo a major upgrade, but scientists hope to have achieved one of the machine's major goals by the time it does proving the existence of the so called God Particle.


Dr Rolf-Dieter Heuer said: 'If the Large Hadron Collider continues to work I know we have enough collisions to produce enough signals to identify the Higgs Boson'


Rolf-Dieter Heuer, director of CERN where the LHC is based, said he was confident that by the end of the year it will be possible to say whether the Higgs Boson, the particle which is responsible for giving mass to the universe, exists.

The theoretical particle, nicknamed the God Particle due to its central role it has in explaining modern physics, has never been detected and scientists have been working for decades to prove its existence.

Scientists hope that high energy collisions of particles in the 17 mile underground tunnel at CERN will finally allow them to create the conditions to allow them to spot the elusive Higgs Boson.

Dr Heuer, who was speaking at the Hay Festival, said the LHC is scheduled to be closed down at the end of this year for up to two years in order to carry out upgrades that will increase its power and allow it to continue with more experiments.

For the first time the LHC will also be opened to the public, who will be allowed to walk through the underground tunnel that straddles the French-Swiss border.

Once the existence of Higgs Boson is known, there will be further work to prove its properties and understand the origins of the universe.

Dr Heuer said: "If the Large Hadron Collider continues to work I know we have enough collisions to produce enough signals to identify the Higgs Boson.

We will know by the end of this year whether it exists or whether it is non-existent. This would be a huge discovery that after 50 years we are able to describe the visible universe.

"We will have taken a big step forward about our knowledge of the physical world. It will help us to understand the creation of the universe."

CERN require a high level of proof and will only announce that the Higgs Boson exists when there is just a one in three million chance they are wrong.

Dr Heuer said the discovery of the Higgs Boson will also help investigations into this wider universe. The visible universe only makes up 5 per cent and the rest is 'dark energy' and 'dark matter'.

He said it was impossible to imagine at this stage how the knowledge of the particle could be applied to practical applications but pointed to previous discoveries have led to developments in medicine and the internet.

Whatever basic science resolves, at some stage it is of use to society. The problem is we do not know when or where.

The search for the God Particle has proved controversial. Critics feared the Large Hadron Collider could create a massive black hole that would "swallow the Earth".

Religious groups have also questioned the search for a particle at the origins of the universe.

Dr Heuer admitted that "micro black holes" may be created in the Large Hadron Collider but he insisted this was safe as they would decay almost immediately and it could even be good for science as it shows that micro black holes are occurring all the time.

He has had meetings with the Pope and insisted that the interface where science ends and religion or philosophy begins is changing all the time.

 

[crankthskunk]

I have few questions from rationalists, scientists, evolutionists, physicists, on this forum, especially people like Mughal1, who according to ridiculous teachings ( if they ever could be called teachings) of Pervaiz explain Quran's use of Angels, Miraj, Paradise etc as forces of nature.

1- According to science Higgs Boson or God Particle gives mass to the matter. Matter cannot be created, or atom cannot have mass and create matter in such huge quantity as we see in the universe in the shape of billions of galaxies, consisting billions of stars, Planets etc.

2- Science also say that the whole grand and huge universe created from one single particle. Even we leave the argument where that particle existed before Big Bang. But the questions remain, how one single particle of atom resulted in such huge universe? The science says, there existed another particle, which gave mass to the atom and created this huge universe. So now it was not one but two particles existed somewhere, when there was no time and space.

3- Many people who try to show their "scientific knowledge" probably also don't know it, Science says there was another mysterious force "Anti Gravity" which with the help of Higgs Boson caused the original particle to increase in size of a golf ball or a big marble, before the big bang happened. Yeap, there existed three items before time and space started. But as I promise, I wouldn't ask rationalists questions on how and where these three forces or items existed when there was nothing, according to science. We know scientists already say, don't ask these rational questions from rational science.(bigsmile)

My questions here are only based on CERN experiment.

1- At CERN atom's particles are sent at a high speed around the tube to create the conditions under which according to the science the original particle appeared.

2- Science say that two particles colliding at high speed may find Higgs and create a black hole. In the hope that the "Higgs Boson" or God Particle existing in the atmosphere would be found. Science say if the particles strike mixes with the Higgs it would create a bang like the "Big Bang".

Now comes the questions.

1- Were there two atom's particles at the time of "Big Bang" not one? Plus the God Particle and "Anti Gravity".

2- Science say originally there was only one particle, which with the help of another particle i.e. Higgs Boson resulted in the creation of this huge universe. Now same thing would happen, two particles sent at high speed would collide and may identify the existence of Higgs Boson exactly like at the time of the creation of universe. So why these particles wouldn't create another universe?

3- Why would it create just a black hole? If Black hole is the only outcome, how big bang created visible universe?

4- Science says that a micro "Black Hole " would be created but it would decay almost immediately. So why the original Big Bang, didn't only create a "Mini" or "Micro" Black Hole? And why it didn't decay almost immediately?

4- We know for surety Atom particles exists, if we accept Higgs also exists in the Universe, why then these particles are not colliding together and creating huge universes all the time? At least now we have time and space and these two particles abundantly in the universe, according to the science.

I hope these puzzles could be solved by the Rationalists and Evolutionists, who think and preach, this universe and humans are created by so-called "Laws of nature".

 

[cefspan]

I have few questions from rationalists, scientists, evolutionists, physicists, on this forum, especially people like Mughal1, who according to ridiculous teachings ( if they ever could be called teachings) of Pervaiz explain Quran's use of Angels, Miraj, Paradise etc as forces of nature.

1- According to science Higgs Boson or God Particle gives mass to the matter. Matter cannot be created, or atom cannot have mass and create matter in such huge quantity as we see in the universe in the shape of billions of galaxies, consisting billions of stars, Planets etc.

2- Science also say that the whole grand and huge universe created from one single particle. Even we leave the argument where that particle existed before Big Bang. But the questions remain, how one single particle of atom resulted in such huge universe? The science says, there existed another particle, which gave mass to the atom and created this huge universe. So now it was not one but two particles existed somewhere, when there was no time and space.

3- Many people who try to show their "scientific knowledge" probably also don't know it, Science says there was another mysterious force "Anti Gravity" which with the help of Higgs Boson caused the original particle to increase in size of a golf ball or a big marble, before the big bang happened. Yeap, there existed three items before time and space started. But as I promise, I wouldn't ask rationalists questions on how and where these three forces or items existed when there was nothing, according to science. We know scientists already say, don't ask these rational questions from rational science.(bigsmile)

My questions here are only based on SERN experiment.

1- At CERN atom's particles are sent at a high speed around the tube to create the conditions under which according to the science the original particle appeared.

2- Science say that two particles colliding at high speed may find Higgs and create a black hole. In the hope that the "Higgs Boson" or God Particle existing in the atmosphere would be found. Science say if the particles strike mixes with the Higgs it would create a bang like the "Big Bang".

Now comes the questions.

1- Were there two atom's particles at the time of "Big Bang" not one? Plus the God Particle and "Anti Gravity".

2- Science say originally there was only one particle, which with the help of another particle i.e. Higgs Boson resulted in the creation of this huge universe. Now same thing would happen, two particles sent at high speed would collide and may identify the existence of Higgs Boson exactly like at the time of the creation of universe. So why this particles wouldn't create another universe?

3- Why would it create just a black hole? If Black hole is the only outcome, how big bang created visible universe?

4- Science says that a micro "Black Hole " would be created but it would decay almost immediately. So why the original Big Bang, didn't only create a "Mini" or "Micro" Black Hole? And why it didn't decay almost immediately?

4- We know for surety Atom particles exists, if we accept Higgs also exists in the Universe, why then these particles are not colliding together and creating huge universes all the time? At least now we have time and space and these two particles abundantly in the universe, according to the science.

I hope these puzzles could be solved by the Rationalists and Evolutionists, who think and preach, this universe and humans are created by so-called "Laws of nature".

as for questio number two i don't think they would because matter isn't in its most compressed and condensed form. chances are that decay of atoms might cause the splitting of components resulting in formation of the primary most component that gave the subatomic particels what they are. the experiment done by fermilabs couple on months back was kind of like a breakthrough.. and i do think they would get it sN.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/07/strong-hints-higgs-boson-tevatron-collider

as for the micro black hole creation they aren't that much powerful the max chances of creation of micro one would be like 60% i guess but that won't suck in the whole earth(bigsmile)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/110526-mini-black-holes-pass-through-earth-lhc-space-science/

consider higgs bosons as a sea, immersed higgs field in all the universe. as per quantum field theory guage bosons are every where,they pass through the higgs field generating matter so does the leptons ; bla bla

like these electron-proton decay does release energy in form of gamma rays which is the purest form of matter; ENERGY
coming back to the point, thats the reason that new universes aren't created.
this interaction MIGHT BE CREATING DARK MATTER EVEN NOW AS WE DISCUSS(bigsmile)buT thS arE literallY undetectablE tO uS
Source: STUDENT~incase of mistakE,plZ ignorE

 

[fahid_asif]

i want to work there..........................................btw we should have more and more debates like this....just like Bohr Einstein debates..................we r in stone age.............and they r going farther and farther

 

[cefspan]

i want to work there..........................................btw we should have more and more debates like this....just like Bohr Einstein debates..................we r in stone age.............and they r going farther and farther

an average fsc student and even i guess graduation student don't know whT ABDUS SALAM diD.(serious)

 

[_ahmed]

I have few questions from rationalists, scientists, evolutionists, physicists, on this forum, especially people like Mughal1, who according to ridiculous teachings ( if they ever could be called teachings) of Pervaiz explain Quran's use of Angels, Miraj, Paradise etc as forces of nature.

1- According to science Higgs Boson or God Particle gives mass to the matter. Matter cannot be created, or atom cannot have mass and create matter in such huge quantity as we see in the universe in the shape of billions of galaxies, consisting billions of stars, Planets etc.

2- Science also say that the whole grand and huge universe created from one single particle. Even we leave the argument where that particle existed before Big Bang. But the questions remain, how one single particle of atom resulted in such huge universe? The science says, there existed another particle, which gave mass to the atom and created this huge universe. So now it was not one but two particles existed somewhere, when there was no time and space.

3- Many people who try to show their "scientific knowledge" probably also don't know it, Science says there was another mysterious force "Anti Gravity" which with the help of Higgs Boson caused the original particle to increase in size of a golf ball or a big marble, before the big bang happened. Yeap, there existed three items before time and space started. But as I promise, I wouldn't ask rationalists questions on how and where these three forces or items existed when there was nothing, according to science. We know scientists already say, don't ask these rational questions from rational science.(bigsmile)

My questions here are only based on CERN experiment.

1- At CERN atom's particles are sent at a high speed around the tube to create the conditions under which according to the science the original particle appeared.

2- Science say that two particles colliding at high speed may find Higgs and create a black hole. In the hope that the "Higgs Boson" or God Particle existing in the atmosphere would be found. Science say if the particles strike mixes with the Higgs it would create a bang like the "Big Bang".

Now comes the questions.

1- Were there two atom's particles at the time of "Big Bang" not one? Plus the God Particle and "Anti Gravity".

2- Science say originally there was only one particle, which with the help of another particle i.e. Higgs Boson resulted in the creation of this huge universe. Now same thing would happen, two particles sent at high speed would collide and may identify the existence of Higgs Boson exactly like at the time of the creation of universe. So why these particles wouldn't create another universe?

3- Why would it create just a black hole? If Black hole is the only outcome, how big bang created visible universe?

4- Science says that a micro "Black Hole " would be created but it would decay almost immediately. So why the original Big Bang, didn't only create a "Mini" or "Micro" Black Hole? And why it didn't decay almost immediately?

4- We know for surety Atom particles exists, if we accept Higgs also exists in the Universe, why then these particles are not colliding together and creating huge universes all the time? At least now we have time and space and these two particles abundantly in the universe, according to the science.

I hope these puzzles could be solved by the Rationalists and Evolutionists, who think and preach, this universe and humans are created by so-called "Laws of nature".

WOW those are some comprehensive questions and I am afraid not many people on this forum would be in the position to answer that. There are bunch of physicists who talk or try to explain these question, one of them is a theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss who regularly talks about it.

He has also written a book for same purpose...

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/145162445X

Big Bang theory runs into trouble with singularity and is not 100% complete but it is best know theory yet and will continue to do so more likely than not.

 

[littlemaster]

an average fsc student and even i guess graduation student don't know whT ABDUS SALAM diD.(serious)

wrong,i know even i am metriculate.:lol:

 

[littlemaster]

can any one tell me in plain text.............from where big ban came to create tiny particle.
its egg chicken controversery...........cant simply understand this big bang thingy.

 

[fahid_asif]

an average fsc student and even i guess graduation student don't know whT ABDUS SALAM diD.(serious)

most of us don't have time to waste for science.....................we need a smartphone............some dirty sms....good morning, good night..........dreams to become bigwig over night.............that's all we have......

 

[crankthskunk]

WOW those are some comprehensive questions and I am afraid not many people on this forum would be in the position to answer that. There are bunch of physicists who talk or try to explain these question, one of them is a theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss who regularly talks about it.

He has also written a book for same purpose...

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/145162445X

Big Bang theory runs into trouble with singularity and is not 100% complete but it is best know theory yet and will continue to do so more likely than not.

I have a little listen, but I am afraid I have heard this crap many many times from many different people. First of all someone like Richard introducing him put one off to start with.

Just to show why his explanations are way of the mark I give few short remarks.

1- He said in 1930 Lemar first introduced the theory of expanding Universe, confirmed later by Hubble. Is it really true? He talks about Pope and Bible. But did he forget we Muslims were given this fact almost 1500 years ago in the following verse.

51:47 AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.

2- He also said, the universe is expanding uniformally in every direction. Uniform general means in a uniform way or similar way. But then he said the longer the distance, faster the expansion. If it is faster at faraway distances compare to closer galaxies, then it is not uniform expansion. Secondly, it would create problem with speed of the light.

3- Remember, speed of light according to the Science is static. Variable speed of light would turn the current science on its head.
4- He also said, to everyone or from every galaxy, you would feel you are center of the universe, because you would see that the universe is expanding at the same uniform way. There is a huge problem with it. The science say, universe is like a CD disk. Flat but round. Do you understand implications of it?
A- if it is not thick enough, the galaxy on its corners wouldn't see uniform expansion. They would only see slow expansion at least on one side, as they would be on the verge, on the boundaries of the universe.
B- similarly, earth or Milky way is at the upper right hand side, closer to the edge of the universe. This itself has huge implications on the age of the universe according to the science. If we calculated the age of the universe on the basis of light from the stars and galaxies then on the basis of our position in the universe, the light close to part of the universe would have reached us in 15.8 billion years, but what about the distance parts? surely light from that part of the universe is not reached us yet. Does it means the universe is older than 15.8 billion years? or Do science know exact center of the universe and the age of the universe is calculated from that point from the light reaching that point?

Science says universe is of this shape, but flat like a CD disk. So when you flip this like a CD it wouldn't be thick enough in every direction. Now you work out how the universe could expand uniformally and how the age could be determined from the position of the earth, which science says slightly towards the right corner of this picture. Never forget Science doesn't say it is a sphere, so any part of the universe would become a center from its point. The most accurate measurements are carried out by WMAP which suggest universe is flat, more like a CD disk, with not much of thickness.

What I am saying can be confirmed from NASA website on the shape of the universe.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

Any way, this video doesn't answer my questions based on Higgs Boson and CERN experiment. Plus his explanations about red shift and size of the universe is littered with difficulties and uncertainities.

 

[_ahmed]

I have a little listen, but I am afraid I have heard this crap many many times from many different people. First of all someone like Richard introducing him put one off to start with.

Just to show why his explanations are way of the mark I give few short remarks.

1- He said in 1930 Lemar first introduced the theory of expanding Universe, confirmed later by Hubble. Is it really true? He talks about Pope and Bible. But did he forget we Muslims were given this fact almost 1500 years ago in the following verse.

51:47 AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.

2- He also said, the universe is expanding uniformally in every direction. Uniform general means in a uniform way or similar way. But then he said the longer the distance, faster the expansion. If it is faster at faraway distances compare to closer galaxies, then it is not uniform expansion. Secondly, it would create problem with speed of the light.

3- Remember, speed of light according to the Science is static. Variable speed of light would turn the current science on its head.
4- He also said, to everyone or from every galaxy, you would feel you are center of the universe, because you would see that the universe is expanding at the same uniform way. There is a huge problem with it. The science say, universe is like a CD disk. Flat but round. Do you understand implications of it?
A- if it is not thick enough, the galaxy on its corners wouldn't see uniform expansion. They would only see slow expansion at least on one side, as they would be on the verge, on the boundaries of the universe.
B- similarly, earth or Milky way is at the upper right hand side, closer to the edge of the universe. This itself has huge implications on the age of the universe according to the science. If we calculated the age of the universe on the basis of light from the stars and galaxies then on the basis of our position in the universe, the light close to part of the universe would have reached us in 15.8 billion years, but what about the distance parts? surely light from that part of the universe is not reached us yet. Does it means the universe is older than 15.8 billion years? or Do science know exact center of the universe and the age of the universe is calculated from that point from the light reaching that point?

Science says universe is of this shape, but flat like a CD disk. So when you flip this like a CD it wouldn't be thick enough in every direction. Now you work out how the universe could expand uniformally and how the age could be determined from the position of the earth, which science says slightly towards the right corner of this picture. Never forget Science doesn't say it is a sphere, so any part of the universe would become a center from its point. The most accurate measurements are carried out by WMAP which suggest universe is flat, more like a CD disk, with not much of thickness.

What I am saying can be confirmed from NASA website on the shape of the universe.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

Any way, this video doesn't answer my questions based on Higgs Boson and CERN experiment. Plus his explanations about red shift and size of the universe is littered with difficulties and uncertainities.

Like I said in my earlier post I am not a physicist, the idea was to give you a direction which might work but here is what else you could do.

May be you should send these questions to few know physicists or try your luck in some physics forums. As far as your quoting the religious accounts of mentioning big bang is concerned, I'd say you can also try your luck and study the Islamic literature in more detail and you might get answer to all questions somewhere which others have not found yet because I think it does not impress scientist much when they discover something and religious people suddenly find it's mentioning in religious books (i works for us but not for scientists)

Here is Abdullah Yusuf Ali translations of the same verse.

51:47 And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx
Find me an original translation in which the word expanding is used before 1900 and I'll be very thankful to you!!

 

[crankthskunk]

51:47 (Y Ali) With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
51:47 (Picktall) We have built the heaven with might, and We it is who make the vast extent (thereof).

Here are two tafasirs from Y Ali and Picktall, both have used similar words , creation of vast extent or vastness of space thereof, i.e. extending it.
The phrase inna la-musiun clearly foreshadows the modern notion of the "expanding universe" - that is, the fact that the cosmos, though finite in extent, is continuously expanding in space.

You have proven one thing conclusively, which I was thinking initially when I saw your response. You probably are a Qadiani. Because they count Bismillah as the first Verse in every Surah their verse numbers are always one out compare to us Muslims.
No wonder you provided the translation of Verse 51:48 from Yousuf Ali, which would have been 51:47 from Qadiani sources, how ironic, unless you made a mistake.

51:48 (Y. Ali) And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: How excellently We do spread out!

For your information, here spread out doesnt mean it is spread out in a fashion you are trying to portray, i.e. flat earth. I am afraid this accusation on the Holy Quran by the Kafiroon is nothing new. Internet is full of such heresies against the Holy Quran by the enemies of Islam.
It refers to the spacious earth, i.e. for our benefits, it has vast spaces, not confined.

I only mentioned the Holy Quran because the video contained reference to the Bible and Pope.

I am afraid no one until today has provided acceptable explanations. When they explain, it raises more questions rather than answering original questions.

How can they? Science has no answers, it is only theories, which are farfetched in most cases.